Why Do Liberals Ignore Science Regarding Transgender Surgery for Minors?

[Hellokitty]

Prove it.

There's tons of testimony from individuals who de-transitioned.

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Extremely rare
Most Transexuals do not have genital surgery

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Then why do your cult get so upset at us when we vow to protect the actual children -- those under 18, the age of majority?








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[Blaster]

Transgenders are freaks!

 

[Hellokitty]

Further more, I am against children being surgically altered, for the same reasons mentioned in the OP Thread post. It is a permanent alteration, at a time, when they are to mentally immature to be allowed to make the choice, the will carry for the rest of their life, a decision contrary to any other choices, such as drinking, smoking, driving cars, quitting school, buy porn, possibly even riding amusement park rides. It should not be allowed until they reach the age of maturity in the state, where they reside, no matter if parents wish to fork up the money for the surgeries or not.

My issue with being allowed to make the choice at 21-25 is the choice is based on a lie. These kids are being sold transition as a fix-all solution to their problems. You have teen girls who think they're trans because they don't like all the time it takes to be a "girl" yet they will spend hours trying to go "stealth" as a boy. Their entire existence is focused on being able to "pass" and get acknowledged by strangers as a boy.
It's really sad.

 

[Independent thinker]

Science has known for at least 30 years now that the reasoning part of the human brain does not fully develop until ages 21-25 (LINK, LINK, LINK). Even before neuroscience developed, society already recognized that minors are simply not qualified or equipped to make certain decisions on their own.

A 14-year-old girl or a 16-year-old boy, much less an 11-year-old girl or a 12-year-old boy, are in no position to decide whether to have their sexual organs permanently altered. We need to protect our children from being talked into getting such major irreversible surgery.

We don't let 15-year-old boys join the military. We don't let 13-year-old kids start smoking cigarettes. We don't let 12-year-old kids buy alcohol. We don't let 14-year-old girls get breast-enlargement surgery. We have these sensible, protective, and humane laws because we all know that those young people are not equipped or qualified to decide to do those things.

We also have very different legal punishments for minors who commit crimes compared to the punishments for adults who commit crimes, precisely because we recognize that a minor's decision-making ability is inferior and incomplete.

Transgender surgery is not "gender-affirming surgery"--it is gender-denying surgery. It ignores biological science and biological reality.

Lots of adolescents and teens go through a phase where they feel they identify more with the opposite gender. As late as the 1990s, girls who felt this way were commonly called "Tom boys." But in most cases, they eventually grew out of it as they matured and as the reasoning part of their brain completed its development. Those few who did not grow out of it were typically people who succumbed to the temptation of same-sex attraction and who chose to engage in homosexual conduct. However, a sizable percentage of people who identify as gay or lesbian for years eventually change their minds and revert to being heterosexual. Google "PFOX."

There should be a federal ban on transgender surgery for anyone under the age of 21. If a 21-year-old wants to get the surgery, that's up to them. I feel sorry for them, but that's their call. But, for heaven's sake, let's protect our children from being talked into getting their sexual organs permanently altered.

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They don't ignore science. Science is full of opinions on both sides for pretty much everything. So, they listen to the science they want to listen to and ignore all of the other science. If that doesn't work, then they just make up their own science.

 

[HeyNorm]

They conjure up utter lies to debase their political opponents

The whole sex change argument is an utter lie. Consider your cult debased kid.

 

[rightwinger]

Further more, I am against children being surgically altered, for the same reasons mentioned in the OP Thread post. It is a permanent alteration, at a time, when they are to mentally immature to be allowed to make the choice, the will carry for the rest of their life, a decision contrary to any other choices, such as drinking, smoking, driving cars, quitting school, buy porn, possibly even riding amusement park rides. It should not be allowed until they reach the age of maturity in the state, where they reside, no matter if parents wish to fork up the money for the surgeries or not.

And that is the problem here

Too many people are buying into the myth that they are cutting off the penis’s of young children who later change their mind.

It doesn’t happen

Children entering puberty are given puberty blockers after lengthy consultation with parents, medical professionals and experts in the field.
It isn’t done on a whim

 

[rightwinger]

Transgenders are freaks!

Well, so are.conservatives
But we let them into Restrooms with young children

 

[SavannahMann]

Science has known for at least 30 years now that the reasoning part of the human brain does not fully develop until ages 21-25 (LINK, LINK, LINK). Even before neuroscience developed, society already recognized that minors are simply not qualified or equipped to make certain decisions on their own.

A 14-year-old girl or a 16-year-old boy, much less an 11-year-old girl or a 12-year-old boy, are in no position to decide whether to have their sexual organs permanently altered. We need to protect our children from being talked into getting such major irreversible surgery.

We don't let 15-year-old boys join the military. We don't let 13-year-old kids start smoking cigarettes. We don't let 12-year-old kids buy alcohol. We don't let 14-year-old girls get breast-enlargement surgery. We have these sensible, protective, and humane laws because we all know that those young people are not equipped or qualified to decide to do those things.

We also have very different legal punishments for minors who commit crimes compared to the punishments for adults who commit crimes, precisely because we recognize that a minor's decision-making ability is inferior and incomplete.

Transgender surgery is not "gender-affirming surgery"--it is gender-denying surgery. It ignores biological science and biological reality.

Lots of adolescents and teens go through a phase where they feel they identify more with the opposite gender. As late as the 1990s, girls who felt this way were commonly called "Tom boys." But in most cases, they eventually grew out of it as they matured and as the reasoning part of their brain completed its development. Those few who did not grow out of it were typically people who succumbed to the temptation of same-sex attraction and who chose to engage in homosexual conduct. However, a sizable percentage of people who identify as gay or lesbian for years eventually change their minds and revert to being heterosexual. Google "PFOX."

There should be a federal ban on transgender surgery for anyone under the age of 21. If a 21-year-old wants to get the surgery, that's up to them. I feel sorry for them, but that's their call. But, for heaven's sake, let's protect our children from being talked into getting their sexual organs permanently altered.

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Quick question. What is the percentage of people who undergo the procedure who decide to try and reverse it?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

Quick question. What is the percentage of people who undergo the procedure who decide to try and reverse it?

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Quick question -- what is the percentage of those who realize it's not reversible and kill themselves out of regret?

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/28/health/transgender-suicide-risk/index.html

Suicide Thoughts and Attempts Among Transgender Adults

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Landmark Study Shows Higher Suicide Risk for Transgender People

Using four decades of health data from Denmark, the study offers the clearest picture yet of the suicide risk among transgender people.

www.nytimes.com

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[SavannahMann]

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Quick question -- what is the percentage of those who realize it's not reversible and kill themselves out of regret?








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I don’t know. But if we are looking at this “scientifically” shouldn’t we have as much information as possible? Or do we just pick something that goes with our narrative and declare the case closed?

 

[rightwinger]

Agreed, they should not be in female sports, ever.

I can’t understand why a transgender would want to compete in womens sports.

What possible satisfaction could you get out of winning by a wide margin against inferior competition?

 

[OhPleaseJustQuit]

I don’t know. But if we are looking at this “scientifically” shouldn’t we have as much information as possible? Or do we just pick something that goes with our narrative and declare the case closed?

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Please note, I edited my post with examples, some from sources often accepted by leftists.








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[Mac-7]

deference to medical science and the FREEBOM of individuals seems to be the liberal position here. what is wrong with that?

They are minors who are too young to make such decisions

 

[Mac-7]

I can’t understand why a transgender would want to compete in womens sports.

What possible satisfaction could you get out of winning by a wide margin against inferior competition?

Trans are mentally disturbed aka crazies

Most of what they do is not rational

 

[rightwinger]

They are minors who are too young to make such decisions

They don’t make the decision

 

[SavannahMann]

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Please note, I edited my post with examples, some from sources often accepted by leftists.








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But they are individual accounts. Not a look at the overall and complete picture. Science is based on information. The Right normally rejects science in favor of a skewed version of religion.

But in this case. We need to know. Especially if we are talking about banning them.

 

[HeyNorm]

I do not think transgenders should be allowed in womens sports. It is an unfair advantage.
Bathrooms? People still gotta pee and womens rooms have stalls.
Locker Rooms and Showers? I just don’t know. I can see how women would be offended by someone with male genitals. But where do they go? They would not be welcome in Mens locker rooms either

Men’s bathrooms also have stalls.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Science has known for at least 30 years now that the reasoning part of the human brain does not fully develop until ages 21-25 (LINK, LINK, LINK). Even before neuroscience developed, society already recognized that minors are simply not qualified or equipped to make certain decisions on their own.

A 14-year-old girl or a 16-year-old boy, much less an 11-year-old girl or a 12-year-old boy, are in no position to decide whether to have their sexual organs permanently altered. We need to protect our children from being talked into getting such major irreversible surgery.

We don't let 15-year-old boys join the military. We don't let 13-year-old kids start smoking cigarettes. We don't let 12-year-old kids buy alcohol. We don't let 14-year-old girls get breast-enlargement surgery. We have these sensible, protective, and humane laws because we all know that those young people are not equipped or qualified to decide to do those things.

We also have very different legal punishments for minors who commit crimes compared to the punishments for adults who commit crimes, precisely because we recognize that a minor's decision-making ability is inferior and incomplete.

Transgender surgery is not "gender-affirming surgery"--it is gender-denying surgery. It ignores biological science and biological reality.

Lots of adolescents and teens go through a phase where they feel they identify more with the opposite gender. As late as the 1990s, girls who felt this way were commonly called "Tom boys." But in most cases, they eventually grew out of it as they matured and as the reasoning part of their brain completed its development. Those few who did not grow out of it were typically people who succumbed to the temptation of same-sex attraction and who chose to engage in homosexual conduct. However, a sizable percentage of people who identify as gay or lesbian for years eventually change their minds and revert to being heterosexual. Google "PFOX."

There should be a federal ban on transgender surgery for anyone under the age of 21. If a 21-year-old wants to get the surgery, that's up to them. I feel sorry for them, but that's their call. But, for heaven's sake, let's protect our children from being talked into getting their sexual organs permanently altered.

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In the entire span of human history, there have always been perverts, flashers, and nonces. The only trouble this time is, it's promoted by schools and governments.

 

[0311]

Science has known for at least 30 years now that the reasoning part of the human brain does not fully develop until ages 21-25 (LINK, LINK, LINK). Even before neuroscience developed, society already recognized that minors are simply not qualified or equipped to make certain decisions on their own.

A 14-year-old girl or a 16-year-old boy, much less an 11-year-old girl or a 12-year-old boy, are in no position to decide whether to have their sexual organs permanently altered. We need to protect our children from being talked into getting such major irreversible surgery.

We don't let 15-year-old boys join the military. We don't let 13-year-old kids start smoking cigarettes. We don't let 12-year-old kids buy alcohol. We don't let 14-year-old girls get breast-enlargement surgery. We have these sensible, protective, and humane laws because we all know that those young people are not equipped or qualified to decide to do those things.

We also have very different legal punishments for minors who commit crimes compared to the punishments for adults who commit crimes, precisely because we recognize that a minor's decision-making ability is inferior and incomplete.

Transgender surgery is not "gender-affirming surgery"--it is gender-denying surgery. It ignores biological science and biological reality.

Lots of adolescents and teens go through a phase where they feel they identify more with the opposite gender. As late as the 1990s, girls who felt this way were commonly called "Tom boys." But in most cases, they eventually grew out of it as they matured and as the reasoning part of their brain completed its development. Those few who did not grow out of it were typically people who succumbed to the temptation of same-sex attraction and who chose to engage in homosexual conduct. However, a sizable percentage of people who identify as gay or lesbian for years eventually change their minds and revert to being heterosexual. Google "PFOX."

There should be a federal ban on transgender surgery for anyone under the age of 21. If a 21-year-old wants to get the surgery, that's up to them. I feel sorry for them, but that's their call. But, for heaven's sake, let's protect our children from being talked into getting their sexual organs permanently altered.

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Why do MAGA MAGGOTS, who believe that Government should NOT be deciding health care keep do ing exactly that?