Why Aren't Millions of Americans Going to Cuba for Healthcare?

[Wyatt earp]

Illinois.

Doesn't Illinois have a Republican governor? Also, IL had better GDP and job creation rates than Kansas since 2012. Also, KS' budget deficit is a greater % of its GDP than IL. So what are you trying to prove? Outside of Chicago, IL is a red state.

GTFO ...
you don't have a clue about blue state banana republic Illinois, Mike Madigan and the Union's




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[The Derp]

Probably because of this.

Those foreigners who come here...who are they, how are they paying for it, and why do they come?

Who are they? Rich people, mostly.
How are they paying for it? With cash, they are not enrolling in insurance.
Why do they come? Because they can.

 

[Wyatt earp]

How come their country's nationzied health care don't pay for their citizens to come to the USA and get the best health care possible?.

Because there is no need to. We trail most First World, single-payer countries in nearly every health metric there is.

The Metrics lie fool.


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[The Derp]

you don't have a clue about blue state banana republic Illinois, Mike Madigan and the Union's.

No, the problem is you're a Russian troll that doesn't know shit, but is desperate to make people think you do.

 

[The Derp]

The Metrics lie fool.

No, you lie. You can't lie metrics.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Probably because of this.

Those foreigners who come here...who are they, how are they paying for it, and why do they come?

Who are they? Rich people, mostly.
How are they paying for it? With cash, they are not enrolling in insurance.
Why do they come? Because they can.

Again why don't their country's pay for their citizens to come here?




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[Weatherman2020]

Are you playing stupid or does it come naturally?

When it comes to sophism, you take the cake:

Cuba Has Better Medical Care Than the U.S. | HuffPost

Actual except: "which annually spends a miserly $185 per person on health care, has better infant and adult mortality rates than the US, and has a life expectancy nearly equal to ours." So if you are looking at the health care systems purely within the context of those rates, Cuba is better than the US. That is how they're reaching their conclusions.​

Cuba's Health Care System: a Model for the World | HuffPost
More valuable context:

With an infant mortality rate of 4.2 per thousand births, the Caribbean island is the best performer on the continent and in the Third World generally. This is also demonstrated by the quality of its health care system and the impact it has on the well-being of children and pregnant women. The infant mortality rate in Cuba is lower than it is in the United States and is among the lowest in the world. [5]

With a life expectancy of 78 years, Cuba is one of the best performers on the American continent and in the Third World, achieving results similar to those of most developed nations. On the average, Cubans live 30 years longer than their Haitian neighbors. In 2025, Cuba will have the highest proportion of its population over the age of 60 in all of Latin America. [6]​

So again, looking purely at health care metrics, Cuba produces better outcomes than our system does.


Cuba Has Better Health Care than the United States? | Human Events
Again, these links show that Cuba's health care system produces better metrics than ours. If we are looking at purely metrics and nothing else, we trail Cuba and most FIrst World single-payer nations in nearly every metric there is.

There you go again.
A. They measure infant mortality different. We count the deaths in the womb. They don't count it until after 3 days after birth.

I won't even comment on comparing Cuba to Haiti lifespan.

You're full of shit.

 

[The Derp]

Again why don't their country's pay for their citizens to come here?

Because they don't need to. Because a lot of the time it's elective. Not sure the point of what you're asking.

 

[Wyatt earp]

The Metrics lie fool.

No, you lie. You can't lie metrics.

Bullshit we all know how they under report ....



Unless your the fool who buys into it

 

[Wyatt earp]

Again why don't their country's pay for their citizens to come here?

Because they don't need to. Because a lot of the time it's elective. Not sure the point of what you're asking.

So only the rich in their country's need to now?




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[Weatherman2020]

The Metrics lie fool.

No, you lie. You can't lie metrics.

Yes you can.

Tell us how the US and Cuba measure infant mortality.

 

[The Derp]

A. They measure infant mortality different. We count the deaths in the womb. They don't count it until after 3 days after birth.

The WHO counts all metrics the same for every country. And according to the WHO we rank below nearly every other single payer nation in nearly every single health metric. If you're telling me "we" (not sure who "we" refers to here, but it seems like it's just you) count babies dying in the womb as infant mortality and Cuba doesn't, fine. I'm not using Cuba's measurement or ours. I'm using the WHO's. And when you (you're the only one who uses that standard) count "deaths in the womb", are you also counting abortion?

I won't even comment on comparing Cuba to Haiti lifespan.You're full of shit.

No, you're full of shit and I proved it by pulling excepts from the links you provided that undermine whatever straw man argument you are sloppily and lazily creating.

 

[The Derp]

So only the rich in their country's need to now?.

Know what?

 

[The Derp]

Tell us how the US and Cuba measure infant mortality.

The WHO - the organization whose metrics I am using - measure it the same.

 

[g5000]

For years the left touted the Cuban healthcare system as being superior.

Link?

Are you playing stupid or does it come naturally?

Cuba Has Better Medical Care Than the U.S. | HuffPost

Cuba's Health Care System: a Model for the World | HuffPost

Cuba Has Better Health Care than the United States? | Human Events

From the first link: One grand irony, Cuba whose economy has been bankrupt for the last decade — food shortages, drug shortages, chronic unemployment, etc. — and which annually spends a miserly $185 per person on health care, has better infant and adult mortality rates than the US, and has a life expectancy nearly equal to ours.

 

[The Derp]

Bullshit we all know how they under report ....

Gaslighting. You try to gaslight research so you don't have to accept the conclusions. That's pathetic.

 

[Wyatt earp]

How come their country's nationzied health care don't pay for their citizens to come to the USA and get the best health care possible?.

Because there is no need to. We trail most First World, single-payer countries in nearly every health metric there is.

You so lie...


U.S. Has the Worst Health Care? Not By a Long Shot



What about life expectancy, where the United States ranks below its peers as well?

International measures of longevity typically fail to account for differences in obesity, accidental deaths, car accidents,murders, and the like, all of which shorten lives no matter how good a nation’s healthcare system is.





The U.S. murder rate, for example, is more than four times the United Kingdom’s — and far higher than all the other countries in the Commonwealth Fund study. The United States has a worse highway death rate than all but one of them. And U.S. obesity rates are more than double Canada’s and more than four times Switzerland’s.

A far more meaningful comparison of international health systems would take stock of how people afflicted with diseases such as cancer fare in different countries. And on this measure, there’s no question the United States stands above the rest.

Five-year survival rates for breast cancer are higher in the United States than England, Denmark, Germany, and Spain, according to the American Cancer Society.

In the United States, the survival rate for prostate cancer is 99.1 percent. In Denmark it’s 47.7 percent.

For kidney cancer patients, the survival rate here is 68.4 percent. It’s just 45.6 percent in England — which the Commonwealth Fund ranked as the number-one healthcare system in the world.

Finally, the Commonwealth Fund study also ignores massive problems with actual access to care in the countries it heralds. Every citizen of a country with socialized medicine may have insurance. But that doesn’t mean they can get the care they need.


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[The Derp]

You so lie...

I didn't say it was the worst, and didn't say they beat us in all health metrics...just most of them, which your link proves.

For a Russian troll, your straw man attempts are particularly weak.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Bullshit we all know how they under report ....

Gaslighting. You try to gaslight research so you don't have to accept the conclusions. That's pathetic.

No you get stuck on stupid...and your only goal is trickle up poor / trickle up misery

We should start calling you Grubber Jr.



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[g5000]

The World Factbook — Central Intelligence Agency

Cuba: 4.5 deaths per 1,000 live births.

US: 5.8 deaths per 1,000 live births.