Zone1 Why AI is Not "Just a Search Engine" and the Garbage, in the Case of "Garbage In Garbage Out" Just Might be Referring to YOUR Input"

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Correction: The provision which would have allowed AI to be unregulated at the state level was apparently stricken and the states are allowed to pass their own legislation to regulate it.

The rest of my OP is still relevant.
Senate strikes AI regulatory ban from GOP bill after uproar from the states

[begin]
The bill that just got pushed through Congress includes provisions on regulations for AI yet so many people still have no real idea of what AI is and what it does. I've seen many referring to it as "just a search engine" but they're mistaken. So I proposed an experiment on another thread but then realized it might serve everyone's needs better if it were in its own thread since this ultimately will impact us all.

So to demonstrate what AI does I've asked it to provide an answer to a question I have but I ask the question 3 times. Each time adding a bit more information requested in my prompt just to show how it's doing more than simply returning information compiled by others. However the real experiment I'm interested in is what happens when one of you enters the exact same prompt into your favorite or least favorite AI app. If all it's doing is returning data that others have already compiled we should be getting roughly the same information returned right? I don't know what the results will be because I have tested this yet but thought it would be more interesting and less prone to "lean in any particular direction" if someone other than myself enters the prompt.

Here we go...

Prompt 1:

"You live in Los Angeles and need to get to Daytona Beach, Florida as soon as possible for an impromptu family meeting. What are your options?"​

​

Option 1: Fly (Fastest and Most Direct)​

• Flying is the quickest way to get from Los Angeles to Daytona Beach.
• No nonstop flights to Daytona Beach International (DAB), but there are options with 1–2 layovers—usually in Atlanta, Charlotte, or Dallas.
• Total travel time is around 6–8 hours, depending on the route and layovers.
• Nearby airports like Orlando (MCO) or Jacksonville (JAX) offer more frequent flights and may be cheaper or faster, with a 1–2 hour drive to Daytona.

---

Option 2: Drive (Flexible but Long)​

• The trip is about 2,450 miles, taking roughly 36–40 hours of drive time.
• You’d take I‑10 most of the way.
• This gives you control over your schedule and luggage, but it’s physically demanding and slower.

---

Option 3: Train​

• Amtrak doesn’t go directly to Daytona Beach.
• The nearest station is DeBary, FL, about 30 miles away.
• You’d travel from L.A. to New Orleans (via Sunset Limited), then connect to DeBary through a second route.
• The whole trip takes about 3.5–4 days and involves at least one transfer.

---

Option 4: Bus​

• Bus travel is available through Greyhound or FlixBus.
• Expect 2.5 to 3 days of travel with multiple transfers.
• It's often the least expensive option but also the least comfortable.

---

Recommendation​

If your goal is to arrive as soon as possible, flying is your best option. Consider booking into Orlando or Jacksonville if direct flights to Daytona Beach aren’t available.

Prompt 2:
"You live in Los Angeles and need to get to Daytona Beach, Florida as soon as possible for an impromptu family meeting. What are your options with details?"

---

RESPONSE:
You have several transportation options depending on how soon you need to arrive, your budget, and whether you're traveling alone or with others.

---

1. Flying – Fastest Option​

• Travel Time: ~4 to 5 hours nonstop
• Airports: Depart from LAX (Los Angeles International), arrive at ATL (Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International)
• Airlines: Delta, American, Southwest, United, Spirit, and others offer direct flights multiple times daily
• Availability: If the meeting is within 24 hours, check last-minute fare platforms like Google Flights, Kayak, Hopper, or airline sites directly.
• Cost Range: $150–$700+, depending on how last-minute and time of day

• TIPS:​

• Consider red-eye flights or departures from Burbank (BUR) or Long Beach (LGB)if LAX options are limited
  • Some airlines offer standby, flexible rebooking, or emergency fares if you call and explain the situation
  • Nearby airport alternatives:
    
    
  • Orlando International (MCO) – ~75 minutes by car
  • Jacksonville International (JAX) – ~90 minutes by car
    These airports offer more frequent and cheaper flight options than DAB and can be paired with a rental car or shuttle.

2. Driving – Flexible but Slow​

• Travel Time: ~36 to 40 hours, not including stops (2,453+ miles)
• Route: I-10 E to I-20 E is the most direct
• Costs: Gas, hotels (~$500–$700 total depending on how many stops)
• Best For: Traveling with others, transporting pets or belongings, or avoiding airports

---

3. Train – Scenic but Very Slow​

• Time: ~72+ hours total
• Route:
  • Amtrak’s Sunset Limited from L.A. to New Orleans (~48 hrs)
  • Transfer to Crescent Line to Atlanta (~12 hrs)
• Pros: No TSA, can book sleeper cars
• Cons: Not ideal for urgent travel, limited departure days (Sunset Limited only runs 3x/week)
• No Amtrak stop in Daytona—DeBary is the nearest option (~30 miles).

---

4. Bus – Cheapest, Longest​

• Providers: Greyhound, FlixBus
• Time: ~48 to 60 hours depending on transfers
• Cost: $100–$300
• Best For: Emergencies with extremely tight budgets, or if flying isn’t an option

Best Choice Based on Urgency​

• If time is critical (within 24–48 hrs), flying is your only practical option.
• Use flexible date/time filters and check multiple airports for better prices or availability.
• Driving is a backup if flights are unavailable or you need to bring equipment, animals, or avoid TSA.

Prompt 3:​

“You live in Los Angeles and need to get to Daytona Beach, Florida as soon as possible for an impromptu family meeting. What are your options with details after checking weather conditions for the upcoming week (June 11th–June 18th, 2025)?”

---

Weather Outlook: June 11–18, 2025​

Texas – Severe Storms & Flooding​

• Flash flooding affected I‑10 eastbound through Beaumont, and parts of San Antonio, due to heavy storms June 12–13.
• Travel advisories were issued due to water-covered roadways, particularly underpasses.
• Localized thunderstorms continued through June 15, with residual delays in parts of east Texas.

Florida – Typical Summer Conditions​

• Daytona Beach had hot, humid weather with scattered afternoon thunderstorms, common this time of year.
• No tropical systems or major flooding during this period.
• Typical travel infrastructure in Florida remained operational.

---

Option 1: Flying (Fastest, Safest Given Conditions)​

• Flight Duration: ~5–6 hours (LAX → DAB), often with 1 layover in ATL, MCO, or CLT.
• Airlines: Delta, American, Southwest, United.
• Fare Range: $175–$450 (economy, booked close to departure).
• Status: Minimal airport disruption in LA or Daytona. However, Dallas and Houston had some weather-related delays due to nearby storms—book routes avoiding Texas hubs if possible.
• Best Routes:
  • LAX → ATL → DAB
  • LAX → CLT → DAB

Recommendation: Choose nonstop or single-stop flights avoiding Houston (IAH) or Dallas (DFW) between June 11–15.

---

Option 2: Driving (Flexible but Riskier This Week)​

• Distance: ~2,460 miles; ~36–40 hours of driving time.
• Route via I‑10: Risk of disruption near Beaumont and San Antonio (flood closures reported June 12–13).
• Alternate Route: Consider I‑20 through Dallas → Jackson → I‑75 southward.
• Cost: ~$450–700 (fuel, food, motel overnights).
• Warning: Avoid I‑10 stretch from San Antonio to Lake Charles if driving between June 11–14.

Recommendation: Driving is only recommended if flying is not an option. Be sure to check local traffic and weather maps in east Texas and central Louisiana.

---

Option 3: Train (Comfortable, Long Duration)​

• Amtrak Route:
  • L.A. to New Orleans via Sunset Limited
  • Transfer to Crescent Line → DeBary, FL (closest Amtrak stop to Daytona)
• Total Time: ~88 hours (3.5 days)
• Cost: $319–$500 depending on ticket class
• Delays: Some storm-related slowdowns on the Sunset Limited route in Texas, especially near Houston and Lake Charles.

Recommendation: Only choose if comfort > urgency. Factor in possible train delays mid-week.

---

Option 4: Bus (Cheapest, Longest)​

• Time: ~60–70 hours
• Providers: Greyhound, FlixBus
• Cost: ~$220–$350
• Weather Impact: Bus routes through Texas may face detours or weather delays. Confirm with carrier before departure.

Recommendation: A last-resort option. Expect fatigue and schedule uncertainty, especially mid-week.

---

Summary Recommendation (Based on Weather + Urgency)​

Option	Travel Time	Weather Risk	Best For
Flight	5–6 hours	Low (if avoiding Texas layovers)	Fast, reliable
Drive	36–40 hrs	Moderate to high (in TX)	Luggage, pets, flexibility
Train	3.5+ days	Moderate (some delays in TX/LA)	Comfort travel
Bus	2.5–3 days	Moderate	Tight budgets only

Best Route: Book a flight avoiding Texas hubs. Go through Atlanta (ATL) or Charlotte (CLT) instead.

 

[Stryder50]

Not sure I understand how your OP supports your thread title, maybe it's too late in the night for me, anyway ...

About a half century ago when I started in programing, GIGO; Garbage In = Garbage Out, had as much to do with the structuring of the processing format as it did with the quality of the data to be processed. Which is why we often had to run programs a few to several times to get the 'bugs' out (de-bugging).

When it comes to AI - Artificial Intelligence, the GIGO implied is the bias of the programmer(s) in how they structure program to process responding to queries/questions put to it. One aspect of the bias would be which and how many information sources the AI should check with before selecting from such how to answer. Another bias might be the parameters the AI is to use in qualifying the sources/data it is to use in answering. Bias in the programing might also express in how the AI words/says it's response.

I've noticed the GIGO of program/processing structure displays as bias when the questions/topics are more subjective than objective.

What you show in your OP is fairly objective questions and with increasing details added you get the more detailed responses. Which is what would be expected from a competent AI.

 

[The Duke]

Sarah Conner has warned us about these things.
AI is kinda glitchy if ya ask me.

 

[JGalt]

Correction: The provision which would have allowed AI to be unregulated at the state level was apparently stricken and the states are allowed to pass their own legislation to regulate it.

The rest of my OP is still relevant.
Senate strikes AI regulatory ban from GOP bill after uproar from the states

[begin]
The bill that just got pushed through Congress includes provisions on regulations for AI yet so many people still have no real idea of what AI is and what it does. I've seen many referring to it as "just a search engine" but they're mistaken. So I proposed an experiment on another thread but then realized it might serve everyone's needs better if it were in its own thread since this ultimately will impact us all.

So to demonstrate what AI does I've asked it to provide an answer to a question I have but I ask the question 3 times. Each time adding a bit more information requested in my prompt just to show how it's doing more than simply returning information compiled by others. However the real experiment I'm interested in is what happens when one of you enters the exact same prompt into your favorite or least favorite AI app. If all it's doing is returning data that others have already compiled we should be getting roughly the same information returned right? I don't know what the results will be because I have tested this yet but thought it would be more interesting and less prone to "lean in any particular direction" if someone other than myself enters the prompt.

Here we go...

Prompt 1:

"You live in Los Angeles and need to get to Daytona Beach, Florida as soon as possible for an impromptu family meeting. What are your options?"​

​

Option 1: Fly (Fastest and Most Direct)​

• Flying is the quickest way to get from Los Angeles to Daytona Beach.
• No nonstop flights to Daytona Beach International (DAB), but there are options with 1–2 layovers—usually in Atlanta, Charlotte, or Dallas.
• Total travel time is around 6–8 hours, depending on the route and layovers.
• Nearby airports like Orlando (MCO) or Jacksonville (JAX) offer more frequent flights and may be cheaper or faster, with a 1–2 hour drive to Daytona.

---

Option 2: Drive (Flexible but Long)​

• The trip is about 2,450 miles, taking roughly 36–40 hours of drive time.
• You’d take I‑10 most of the way.
• This gives you control over your schedule and luggage, but it’s physically demanding and slower.

---

Option 3: Train​

• Amtrak doesn’t go directly to Daytona Beach.
• The nearest station is DeBary, FL, about 30 miles away.
• You’d travel from L.A. to New Orleans (via Sunset Limited), then connect to DeBary through a second route.
• The whole trip takes about 3.5–4 days and involves at least one transfer.

---

Option 4: Bus​

• Bus travel is available through Greyhound or FlixBus.
• Expect 2.5 to 3 days of travel with multiple transfers.
• It's often the least expensive option but also the least comfortable.

---

Recommendation​

If your goal is to arrive as soon as possible, flying is your best option. Consider booking into Orlando or Jacksonville if direct flights to Daytona Beach aren’t available.

Prompt 2:
"You live in Los Angeles and need to get to Daytona Beach, Florida as soon as possible for an impromptu family meeting. What are your options with details?"

---

RESPONSE:
You have several transportation options depending on how soon you need to arrive, your budget, and whether you're traveling alone or with others.

---

1. Flying – Fastest Option​

• Travel Time: ~4 to 5 hours nonstop
• Airports: Depart from LAX (Los Angeles International), arrive at ATL (Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International)
• Airlines: Delta, American, Southwest, United, Spirit, and others offer direct flights multiple times daily
• Availability: If the meeting is within 24 hours, check last-minute fare platforms like Google Flights, Kayak, Hopper, or airline sites directly.
• Cost Range: $150–$700+, depending on how last-minute and time of day

• TIPS:​

• Consider red-eye flights or departures from Burbank (BUR) or Long Beach (LGB)if LAX options are limited
  • Some airlines offer standby, flexible rebooking, or emergency fares if you call and explain the situation
  • Nearby airport alternatives:
    
    
  • Orlando International (MCO) – ~75 minutes by car
  • Jacksonville International (JAX) – ~90 minutes by car
    These airports offer more frequent and cheaper flight options than DAB and can be paired with a rental car or shuttle.

2. Driving – Flexible but Slow​

• Travel Time: ~36 to 40 hours, not including stops (2,453+ miles)
• Route: I-10 E to I-20 E is the most direct
• Costs: Gas, hotels (~$500–$700 total depending on how many stops)
• Best For: Traveling with others, transporting pets or belongings, or avoiding airports

---

3. Train – Scenic but Very Slow​

• Time: ~72+ hours total
• Route:
  • Amtrak’s Sunset Limited from L.A. to New Orleans (~48 hrs)
  • Transfer to Crescent Line to Atlanta (~12 hrs)
• Pros: No TSA, can book sleeper cars
• Cons: Not ideal for urgent travel, limited departure days (Sunset Limited only runs 3x/week)
• No Amtrak stop in Daytona—DeBary is the nearest option (~30 miles).

---

4. Bus – Cheapest, Longest​

• Providers: Greyhound, FlixBus
• Time: ~48 to 60 hours depending on transfers
• Cost: $100–$300
• Best For: Emergencies with extremely tight budgets, or if flying isn’t an option

Best Choice Based on Urgency​

• If time is critical (within 24–48 hrs), flying is your only practical option.
• Use flexible date/time filters and check multiple airports for better prices or availability.
• Driving is a backup if flights are unavailable or you need to bring equipment, animals, or avoid TSA.

Prompt 3:​

“You live in Los Angeles and need to get to Daytona Beach, Florida as soon as possible for an impromptu family meeting. What are your options with details after checking weather conditions for the upcoming week (June 11th–June 18th, 2025)?”

---

Weather Outlook: June 11–18, 2025​

Texas – Severe Storms & Flooding​

• Flash flooding affected I‑10 eastbound through Beaumont, and parts of San Antonio, due to heavy storms June 12–13.
• Travel advisories were issued due to water-covered roadways, particularly underpasses.
• Localized thunderstorms continued through June 15, with residual delays in parts of east Texas.

Florida – Typical Summer Conditions​

• Daytona Beach had hot, humid weather with scattered afternoon thunderstorms, common this time of year.
• No tropical systems or major flooding during this period.
• Typical travel infrastructure in Florida remained operational.

---

Option 1: Flying (Fastest, Safest Given Conditions)​

• Flight Duration: ~5–6 hours (LAX → DAB), often with 1 layover in ATL, MCO, or CLT.
• Airlines: Delta, American, Southwest, United.
• Fare Range: $175–$450 (economy, booked close to departure).
• Status: Minimal airport disruption in LA or Daytona. However, Dallas and Houston had some weather-related delays due to nearby storms—book routes avoiding Texas hubs if possible.
• Best Routes:
  • LAX → ATL → DAB
  • LAX → CLT → DAB

Recommendation: Choose nonstop or single-stop flights avoiding Houston (IAH) or Dallas (DFW) between June 11–15.

---

Option 2: Driving (Flexible but Riskier This Week)​

• Distance: ~2,460 miles; ~36–40 hours of driving time.
• Route via I‑10: Risk of disruption near Beaumont and San Antonio (flood closures reported June 12–13).
• Alternate Route: Consider I‑20 through Dallas → Jackson → I‑75 southward.
• Cost: ~$450–700 (fuel, food, motel overnights).
• Warning: Avoid I‑10 stretch from San Antonio to Lake Charles if driving between June 11–14.

Recommendation: Driving is only recommended if flying is not an option. Be sure to check local traffic and weather maps in east Texas and central Louisiana.

---

Option 3: Train (Comfortable, Long Duration)​

• Amtrak Route:
  • L.A. to New Orleans via Sunset Limited
  • Transfer to Crescent Line → DeBary, FL (closest Amtrak stop to Daytona)
• Total Time: ~88 hours (3.5 days)
• Cost: $319–$500 depending on ticket class
• Delays: Some storm-related slowdowns on the Sunset Limited route in Texas, especially near Houston and Lake Charles.

Recommendation: Only choose if comfort > urgency. Factor in possible train delays mid-week.

---

Option 4: Bus (Cheapest, Longest)​

• Time: ~60–70 hours
• Providers: Greyhound, FlixBus
• Cost: ~$220–$350
• Weather Impact: Bus routes through Texas may face detours or weather delays. Confirm with carrier before departure.

Recommendation: A last-resort option. Expect fatigue and schedule uncertainty, especially mid-week.

---

Summary Recommendation (Based on Weather + Urgency)​

Option	Travel Time	Weather Risk	Best For
Flight	5–6 hours	Low (if avoiding Texas layovers)	Fast, reliable
Drive	36–40 hrs	Moderate to high (in TX)	Luggage, pets, flexibility
Train	3.5+ days	Moderate (some delays in TX/LA)	Comfort travel
Bus	2.5–3 days	Moderate	Tight budgets only

Best Route: Book a flight avoiding Texas hubs. Go through Atlanta (ATL) or Charlotte (CLT) instead.

Then don't us AI. Better yet, throw your computer in the trash can.

 

[1srelluc]

The easier the degree is to get, the easier it will be for AI to replace you.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Then don't us AI. Better yet, throw your computer in the trash can.

AI Turns Thought into a Plug-In Device

 

[braalian]

Correction: The provision which would have allowed AI to be unregulated at the state level was apparently stricken and the states are allowed to pass their own legislation to regulate it.

The rest of my OP is still relevant.
Senate strikes AI regulatory ban from GOP bill after uproar from the states

[begin]
The bill that just got pushed through Congress includes provisions on regulations for AI yet so many people still have no real idea of what AI is and what it does. I've seen many referring to it as "just a search engine" but they're mistaken. So I proposed an experiment on another thread but then realized it might serve everyone's needs better if it were in its own thread since this ultimately will impact us all.

So to demonstrate what AI does I've asked it to provide an answer to a question I have but I ask the question 3 times. Each time adding a bit more information requested in my prompt just to show how it's doing more than simply returning information compiled by others. However the real experiment I'm interested in is what happens when one of you enters the exact same prompt into your favorite or least favorite AI app. If all it's doing is returning data that others have already compiled we should be getting roughly the same information returned right? I don't know what the results will be because I have tested this yet but thought it would be more interesting and less prone to "lean in any particular direction" if someone other than myself enters the prompt.

Here we go...

Prompt 1:

"You live in Los Angeles and need to get to Daytona Beach, Florida as soon as possible for an impromptu family meeting. What are your options?"​

​

Option 1: Fly (Fastest and Most Direct)​

• Flying is the quickest way to get from Los Angeles to Daytona Beach.
• No nonstop flights to Daytona Beach International (DAB), but there are options with 1–2 layovers—usually in Atlanta, Charlotte, or Dallas.
• Total travel time is around 6–8 hours, depending on the route and layovers.
• Nearby airports like Orlando (MCO) or Jacksonville (JAX) offer more frequent flights and may be cheaper or faster, with a 1–2 hour drive to Daytona.

---

Option 2: Drive (Flexible but Long)​

• The trip is about 2,450 miles, taking roughly 36–40 hours of drive time.
• You’d take I‑10 most of the way.
• This gives you control over your schedule and luggage, but it’s physically demanding and slower.

---

Option 3: Train​

• Amtrak doesn’t go directly to Daytona Beach.
• The nearest station is DeBary, FL, about 30 miles away.
• You’d travel from L.A. to New Orleans (via Sunset Limited), then connect to DeBary through a second route.
• The whole trip takes about 3.5–4 days and involves at least one transfer.

---

Option 4: Bus​

• Bus travel is available through Greyhound or FlixBus.
• Expect 2.5 to 3 days of travel with multiple transfers.
• It's often the least expensive option but also the least comfortable.

---

Recommendation​

If your goal is to arrive as soon as possible, flying is your best option. Consider booking into Orlando or Jacksonville if direct flights to Daytona Beach aren’t available.

Prompt 2:
"You live in Los Angeles and need to get to Daytona Beach, Florida as soon as possible for an impromptu family meeting. What are your options with details?"

---

RESPONSE:
You have several transportation options depending on how soon you need to arrive, your budget, and whether you're traveling alone or with others.

---

1. Flying – Fastest Option​

• Travel Time: ~4 to 5 hours nonstop
• Airports: Depart from LAX (Los Angeles International), arrive at ATL (Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International)
• Airlines: Delta, American, Southwest, United, Spirit, and others offer direct flights multiple times daily
• Availability: If the meeting is within 24 hours, check last-minute fare platforms like Google Flights, Kayak, Hopper, or airline sites directly.
• Cost Range: $150–$700+, depending on how last-minute and time of day

• TIPS:​

• Consider red-eye flights or departures from Burbank (BUR) or Long Beach (LGB)if LAX options are limited
  • Some airlines offer standby, flexible rebooking, or emergency fares if you call and explain the situation
  • Nearby airport alternatives:
    
    
  • Orlando International (MCO) – ~75 minutes by car
  • Jacksonville International (JAX) – ~90 minutes by car
    These airports offer more frequent and cheaper flight options than DAB and can be paired with a rental car or shuttle.

2. Driving – Flexible but Slow​

• Travel Time: ~36 to 40 hours, not including stops (2,453+ miles)
• Route: I-10 E to I-20 E is the most direct
• Costs: Gas, hotels (~$500–$700 total depending on how many stops)
• Best For: Traveling with others, transporting pets or belongings, or avoiding airports

---

3. Train – Scenic but Very Slow​

• Time: ~72+ hours total
• Route:
  • Amtrak’s Sunset Limited from L.A. to New Orleans (~48 hrs)
  • Transfer to Crescent Line to Atlanta (~12 hrs)
• Pros: No TSA, can book sleeper cars
• Cons: Not ideal for urgent travel, limited departure days (Sunset Limited only runs 3x/week)
• No Amtrak stop in Daytona—DeBary is the nearest option (~30 miles).

---

4. Bus – Cheapest, Longest​

• Providers: Greyhound, FlixBus
• Time: ~48 to 60 hours depending on transfers
• Cost: $100–$300
• Best For: Emergencies with extremely tight budgets, or if flying isn’t an option

Best Choice Based on Urgency​

• If time is critical (within 24–48 hrs), flying is your only practical option.
• Use flexible date/time filters and check multiple airports for better prices or availability.
• Driving is a backup if flights are unavailable or you need to bring equipment, animals, or avoid TSA.

Prompt 3:​

“You live in Los Angeles and need to get to Daytona Beach, Florida as soon as possible for an impromptu family meeting. What are your options with details after checking weather conditions for the upcoming week (June 11th–June 18th, 2025)?”

---

Weather Outlook: June 11–18, 2025​

Texas – Severe Storms & Flooding​

• Flash flooding affected I‑10 eastbound through Beaumont, and parts of San Antonio, due to heavy storms June 12–13.
• Travel advisories were issued due to water-covered roadways, particularly underpasses.
• Localized thunderstorms continued through June 15, with residual delays in parts of east Texas.

Florida – Typical Summer Conditions​

• Daytona Beach had hot, humid weather with scattered afternoon thunderstorms, common this time of year.
• No tropical systems or major flooding during this period.
• Typical travel infrastructure in Florida remained operational.

---

Option 1: Flying (Fastest, Safest Given Conditions)​

• Flight Duration: ~5–6 hours (LAX → DAB), often with 1 layover in ATL, MCO, or CLT.
• Airlines: Delta, American, Southwest, United.
• Fare Range: $175–$450 (economy, booked close to departure).
• Status: Minimal airport disruption in LA or Daytona. However, Dallas and Houston had some weather-related delays due to nearby storms—book routes avoiding Texas hubs if possible.
• Best Routes:
  • LAX → ATL → DAB
  • LAX → CLT → DAB

Recommendation: Choose nonstop or single-stop flights avoiding Houston (IAH) or Dallas (DFW) between June 11–15.

---

Option 2: Driving (Flexible but Riskier This Week)​

• Distance: ~2,460 miles; ~36–40 hours of driving time.
• Route via I‑10: Risk of disruption near Beaumont and San Antonio (flood closures reported June 12–13).
• Alternate Route: Consider I‑20 through Dallas → Jackson → I‑75 southward.
• Cost: ~$450–700 (fuel, food, motel overnights).
• Warning: Avoid I‑10 stretch from San Antonio to Lake Charles if driving between June 11–14.

Recommendation: Driving is only recommended if flying is not an option. Be sure to check local traffic and weather maps in east Texas and central Louisiana.

---

Option 3: Train (Comfortable, Long Duration)​

• Amtrak Route:
  • L.A. to New Orleans via Sunset Limited
  • Transfer to Crescent Line → DeBary, FL (closest Amtrak stop to Daytona)
• Total Time: ~88 hours (3.5 days)
• Cost: $319–$500 depending on ticket class
• Delays: Some storm-related slowdowns on the Sunset Limited route in Texas, especially near Houston and Lake Charles.

Recommendation: Only choose if comfort > urgency. Factor in possible train delays mid-week.

---

Option 4: Bus (Cheapest, Longest)​

• Time: ~60–70 hours
• Providers: Greyhound, FlixBus
• Cost: ~$220–$350
• Weather Impact: Bus routes through Texas may face detours or weather delays. Confirm with carrier before departure.

Recommendation: A last-resort option. Expect fatigue and schedule uncertainty, especially mid-week.

---

Summary Recommendation (Based on Weather + Urgency)​

Option	Travel Time	Weather Risk	Best For
Flight	5–6 hours	Low (if avoiding Texas layovers)	Fast, reliable
Drive	36–40 hrs	Moderate to high (in TX)	Luggage, pets, flexibility
Train	3.5+ days	Moderate (some delays in TX/LA)	Comfort travel
Bus	2.5–3 days	Moderate	Tight budgets only

Best Route: Book a flight avoiding Texas hubs. Go through Atlanta (ATL) or Charlotte (CLT) instead.

Do you honestly expect us to read all that?

Maybe you should be using chat gpt to summarize your ridiculously long posts into a readable synopsis

 

[Picaro]

The easier the degree is to get, the easier it will be for AI to replace you.

Well, 18% of degrees awarded were in STEM fields. The stats claim only 27% of those grads actually get jobs in STEM fields. I think they're lying and less than 15% actually get hired in STEM jobs, due to some fudging of job descriptions. AI would actually get rid of a lot more tech jobs than, say, artists and painters, and in fact an article recently claimed that parents with STEM degrees now are encouraging their kids to get degrees in art and creative design rather than STEM because of AI. I personally don't know, but it sounds about right.

 

[Picaro]

Do you honestly expect us to read all that?

Maybe you should be using chat gpt to summarize your ridiculously long posts into a readable synopsis

They think if you pile in a lot of bullshit it will make you look smarter n stuff. It doesn't.

 

[Stryder50]

Well, 18% of degrees awarded were in STEM fields. The stats claim only 27% of those grads actually get jobs in STEM fields. I think they're lying and less than 15% actually get hired in STEM jobs, due to some fudging of job descriptions. AI would actually get rid of a lot more tech jobs than, say, artists and painters, and in fact an article recently claimed that parents with STEM degrees now are encouraging their kids to get degrees in art and creative design rather than STEM because of AI. I personally don't know, but it sounds about right.

Someone will have to program STEM into AI.
Someone will have to double check what is programed in.
AI capacity for STEM will depend upon the hardware and memory/processor size/capacity; application will be the Achilles heel.

Human backup will be needed, especially when power is out/down and/or systems have crashed.
Don't expect AI to always be there or always be accurate.

 

[Picaro]

Someone will have to program STEM into AI.
Someone will have to double check what is programed in.
AI capacity for STEM will depend upon the hardware and memory/processor size/capacity; application will be the Achilles heel.

Human backup will be needed, especially when power is out/down and/or systems have crashed.
Don't expect AI to always be there or always be accurate.

Which takes far fewer people to do and maintain than before, same as a robot might replace 20 people. Even a significant chunk of the few STEM jobs grads get now are merely assembly and tech jobs that require no degree in any thing, they just like to require one, same as some companies require part time receptionists have English degrees to answer the phone and hand out info at the front desk.

 

[Stryder50]

Which takes far fewer people to do and maintain than before, same as a robot might replace 20 people. Even a significant chunk of the few STEM jobs grads get now are merely assembly and tech jobs that require no degree in any thing, they just like to require one, same as some companies require part time receptionists have English degrees to answer the phone and hand out info at the front desk.

You've told us your qualifications on this subject;

"No Real Job Since 1998!"
" Proudly Unemployed and Useless!"

I'd wager we can add "UNemployable" as well.

 

[Deplorable Yankee]

Correction: The provision which would have allowed AI to be unregulated at the state level was apparently stricken and the states are allowed to pass their own legislation to regulate it.

The rest of my OP is still relevant.
Senate strikes AI regulatory ban from GOP bill after uproar from the states

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The bill that just got pushed through Congress includes provisions on regulations for AI yet so many people still have no real idea of what AI is and what it does. I've seen many referring to it as "just a search engine" but they're mistaken. So I proposed an experiment on another thread but then realized it might serve everyone's needs better if it were in its own thread since this ultimately will impact us all.

So to demonstrate what AI does I've asked it to provide an answer to a question I have but I ask the question 3 times. Each time adding a bit more information requested in my prompt just to show how it's doing more than simply returning information compiled by others. However the real experiment I'm interested in is what happens when one of you enters the exact same prompt into your favorite or least favorite AI app. If all it's doing is returning data that others have already compiled we should be getting roughly the same information returned right? I don't know what the results will be because I have tested this yet but thought it would be more interesting and less prone to "lean in any particular direction" if someone other than myself enters the prompt.

Here we go...

Prompt 1:

"You live in Los Angeles and need to get to Daytona Beach, Florida as soon as possible for an impromptu family meeting. What are your options?"​

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Option 1: Fly (Fastest and Most Direct)​

• Flying is the quickest way to get from Los Angeles to Daytona Beach.
• No nonstop flights to Daytona Beach International (DAB), but there are options with 1–2 layovers—usually in Atlanta, Charlotte, or Dallas.
• Total travel time is around 6–8 hours, depending on the route and layovers.
• Nearby airports like Orlando (MCO) or Jacksonville (JAX) offer more frequent flights and may be cheaper or faster, with a 1–2 hour drive to Daytona.

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Option 2: Drive (Flexible but Long)​

• The trip is about 2,450 miles, taking roughly 36–40 hours of drive time.
• You’d take I‑10 most of the way.
• This gives you control over your schedule and luggage, but it’s physically demanding and slower.

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Option 3: Train​

• Amtrak doesn’t go directly to Daytona Beach.
• The nearest station is DeBary, FL, about 30 miles away.
• You’d travel from L.A. to New Orleans (via Sunset Limited), then connect to DeBary through a second route.
• The whole trip takes about 3.5–4 days and involves at least one transfer.

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Option 4: Bus​

• Bus travel is available through Greyhound or FlixBus.
• Expect 2.5 to 3 days of travel with multiple transfers.
• It's often the least expensive option but also the least comfortable.

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Recommendation​

If your goal is to arrive as soon as possible, flying is your best option. Consider booking into Orlando or Jacksonville if direct flights to Daytona Beach aren’t available.

Prompt 2:
"You live in Los Angeles and need to get to Daytona Beach, Florida as soon as possible for an impromptu family meeting. What are your options with details?"

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RESPONSE:
You have several transportation options depending on how soon you need to arrive, your budget, and whether you're traveling alone or with others.

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1. Flying – Fastest Option​

• Travel Time: ~4 to 5 hours nonstop
• Airports: Depart from LAX (Los Angeles International), arrive at ATL (Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International)
• Airlines: Delta, American, Southwest, United, Spirit, and others offer direct flights multiple times daily
• Availability: If the meeting is within 24 hours, check last-minute fare platforms like Google Flights, Kayak, Hopper, or airline sites directly.
• Cost Range: $150–$700+, depending on how last-minute and time of day

• TIPS:​

• Consider red-eye flights or departures from Burbank (BUR) or Long Beach (LGB)if LAX options are limited
  • Some airlines offer standby, flexible rebooking, or emergency fares if you call and explain the situation
  • Nearby airport alternatives:
    
    
  • Orlando International (MCO) – ~75 minutes by car
  • Jacksonville International (JAX) – ~90 minutes by car
    These airports offer more frequent and cheaper flight options than DAB and can be paired with a rental car or shuttle.

2. Driving – Flexible but Slow​

• Travel Time: ~36 to 40 hours, not including stops (2,453+ miles)
• Route: I-10 E to I-20 E is the most direct
• Costs: Gas, hotels (~$500–$700 total depending on how many stops)
• Best For: Traveling with others, transporting pets or belongings, or avoiding airports

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3. Train – Scenic but Very Slow​

• Time: ~72+ hours total
• Route:
  • Amtrak’s Sunset Limited from L.A. to New Orleans (~48 hrs)
  • Transfer to Crescent Line to Atlanta (~12 hrs)
• Pros: No TSA, can book sleeper cars
• Cons: Not ideal for urgent travel, limited departure days (Sunset Limited only runs 3x/week)
• No Amtrak stop in Daytona—DeBary is the nearest option (~30 miles).

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4. Bus – Cheapest, Longest​

• Providers: Greyhound, FlixBus
• Time: ~48 to 60 hours depending on transfers
• Cost: $100–$300
• Best For: Emergencies with extremely tight budgets, or if flying isn’t an option

Best Choice Based on Urgency​

• If time is critical (within 24–48 hrs), flying is your only practical option.
• Use flexible date/time filters and check multiple airports for better prices or availability.
• Driving is a backup if flights are unavailable or you need to bring equipment, animals, or avoid TSA.

Prompt 3:​

“You live in Los Angeles and need to get to Daytona Beach, Florida as soon as possible for an impromptu family meeting. What are your options with details after checking weather conditions for the upcoming week (June 11th–June 18th, 2025)?”

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Weather Outlook: June 11–18, 2025​

Texas – Severe Storms & Flooding​

• Flash flooding affected I‑10 eastbound through Beaumont, and parts of San Antonio, due to heavy storms June 12–13.
• Travel advisories were issued due to water-covered roadways, particularly underpasses.
• Localized thunderstorms continued through June 15, with residual delays in parts of east Texas.

Florida – Typical Summer Conditions​

• Daytona Beach had hot, humid weather with scattered afternoon thunderstorms, common this time of year.
• No tropical systems or major flooding during this period.
• Typical travel infrastructure in Florida remained operational.

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Option 1: Flying (Fastest, Safest Given Conditions)​

• Flight Duration: ~5–6 hours (LAX → DAB), often with 1 layover in ATL, MCO, or CLT.
• Airlines: Delta, American, Southwest, United.
• Fare Range: $175–$450 (economy, booked close to departure).
• Status: Minimal airport disruption in LA or Daytona. However, Dallas and Houston had some weather-related delays due to nearby storms—book routes avoiding Texas hubs if possible.
• Best Routes:
  • LAX → ATL → DAB
  • LAX → CLT → DAB

Recommendation: Choose nonstop or single-stop flights avoiding Houston (IAH) or Dallas (DFW) between June 11–15.

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Option 2: Driving (Flexible but Riskier This Week)​

• Distance: ~2,460 miles; ~36–40 hours of driving time.
• Route via I‑10: Risk of disruption near Beaumont and San Antonio (flood closures reported June 12–13).
• Alternate Route: Consider I‑20 through Dallas → Jackson → I‑75 southward.
• Cost: ~$450–700 (fuel, food, motel overnights).
• Warning: Avoid I‑10 stretch from San Antonio to Lake Charles if driving between June 11–14.

Recommendation: Driving is only recommended if flying is not an option. Be sure to check local traffic and weather maps in east Texas and central Louisiana.

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Option 3: Train (Comfortable, Long Duration)​

• Amtrak Route:
  • L.A. to New Orleans via Sunset Limited
  • Transfer to Crescent Line → DeBary, FL (closest Amtrak stop to Daytona)
• Total Time: ~88 hours (3.5 days)
• Cost: $319–$500 depending on ticket class
• Delays: Some storm-related slowdowns on the Sunset Limited route in Texas, especially near Houston and Lake Charles.

Recommendation: Only choose if comfort > urgency. Factor in possible train delays mid-week.

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Option 4: Bus (Cheapest, Longest)​

• Time: ~60–70 hours
• Providers: Greyhound, FlixBus
• Cost: ~$220–$350
• Weather Impact: Bus routes through Texas may face detours or weather delays. Confirm with carrier before departure.

Recommendation: A last-resort option. Expect fatigue and schedule uncertainty, especially mid-week.

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Summary Recommendation (Based on Weather + Urgency)​

Option	Travel Time	Weather Risk	Best For
Flight	5–6 hours	Low (if avoiding Texas layovers)	Fast, reliable
Drive	36–40 hrs	Moderate to high (in TX)	Luggage, pets, flexibility
Train	3.5+ days	Moderate (some delays in TX/LA)	Comfort travel
Bus	2.5–3 days	Moderate	Tight budgets only

Best Route: Book a flight avoiding Texas hubs. Go through Atlanta (ATL) or Charlotte (CLT) instead.

It should have warned you that daytuna it's not what it once was .... The spring break went ghetto

 

[Picaro]

You've told us your qualifications on this subject;

"No Real Job Since 1998!"
" Proudly Unemployed and Useless!"

I'd wager we can add "UNemployable" as well.

lol I built lasers and vaccuum systems, and before that programed micro-controllers and electronic equipment for the Air Force's experimental projects at dozen Silly Con Valley companies and Texas Instruments.

I know what was going on, and it hasn't changed one iota since then. My last contract was setting up and aligning three dimensional holographic safety systems on storage tanks at LNG plants in Asia, and most recently consulted on plants in Singapore and South Korea, one in Singapore in 2013 and the latest just last year. Don't even have to leave the country. Anybody can keep up with most of the employment info.

The systems monitor the tank walls movements in real time as the pressures inside expand and contract catching cracks and leaks before they become dangerous and blow.

Lasers are already being replaced with optical and vacuum sensors placed in microchips at a fraction of the cost, and taped on the sides. Cool stuff. They are built on an assembly line now, and don;t require teams of engineers and techs. Monkeys can be trained to manufacture them.

Your qualifications are what?


AI Overview

In the U.S., approximately 20% of all bachelor's degrees awarded in 2024 were in STEM fields, according to recent data. This figure has remained relatively stable in recent years, with some fluctuations depending on the specific field of study and degree level. For example, while the percentage of STEM degrees overall might be around 20%, certain STEM fields like engineering and computer science may see higher percentages, while others like some science fields might see lower percentages.

The percentages are getting lower, as demand dropped. The stats say about 28% of them actually get STEM jobs; I already explained why that number is high and misleading.

I once trained a guy at a start up laser company in Colorado who had repaired lawn mowers to assemble lasers and test them. He learned a lot quicker than the two Korean 'engineers' I was training along with him. He was skilled at using his hands and aligning parts already. The Koreans were arrogant and snotty, and couldn't find their asses with both hands. They knew the math and the theory, but little else. There were already people who did all that, the designers; what they needed was service techs and sales demo techs. The company required degrees when they were useless for any real world application.