Who's stupid now?

[del]

Obama is right. He said the Cambridge police "acted stupidly" when they arrested Gates. They smartened up when the charges were dropped.

the next time obama's right about anything will be the first time, but i admire your consistency

Be a nice cur and take your bone and crawl back under the porch.

cur or not, i've never crawled in my life and i don't plan to start now just because you're committed to defending the indefensible, er, being the bane of the urbane

 

[Anguille]

As I recall, there had been a number of break-ins in the neighborhood and the policeman was checking out the situation at Gates' house after a call from a neighbor. I believe it was Gates who actually started up the ruckus. What's a white cop to do? Would a black cop have done anything different? No. Gates simply would not have played the race card.

Exactly...Then he would have been left only with the Do you know who I am, I'm a powerful Harvard professor card. Gates acted stupidly and so did Obama for pretending there was anything racist in the officers' procedure that day.

Do you think Officer Crowley acted stupidly that day too, or does he get a free pass?

 

[del]

Wait a minute now...did they specifically review arrests made by Crowley?

read the article. they reviewed all disorderly conduct arrests in cambridge from 2004-2009. no racism found.

 

[Anguille]

the next time obama's right about anything will be the first time, but i admire your consistency

Be a nice cur and take your bone and crawl back under the porch.

cur or not, i've never crawled in my life and i don't plan to start now just because you're committed to defending the indefensible, er, being the bane of the urbane

Dog catcher on the way.

 

[Ava]

When Henry Louis Gates Jr., a prominent Harvard professor of African-American studies, was arrested for disorderly conduct by a white Cambridge police officer last summer, President Obama led a chorus of critics denouncing the local Police Department.

Gates, who is African-American, described his arrest as a “teaching moment’’ about race relations in America.

His case drew national attention to the relationship between policing and race. Obama wound up hosting Gates and the officer who arrested him for a so-called beer summit at the White House. And the arrest, for some, raised the question of whether officers disproportionately arrest blacks for disorderly conduct, considered one of the most discretionary and most abused charges in the nation’s criminal justice system.

But a review of the Cambridge department’s handling of disorderly conduct cases from 2004 to 2009 finds no evidence of racial profiling. Instead, the analysis by the New England Center for Investigative Reporting finds that the most common factor linking people who are arrested in Cambridge for disorderly conduct is that they were allegedly screaming or cursing in front of police.

Review finds no links to race, arrests - The Boston Globe

About NECIR-BU New England Center for Investigative Reporting at Boston University

Obama is right. He said the Cambridge police "acted stupidly" when they arrested Gates. They smartened up when the charges were dropped.

Obama is right... Is that even possible?

I remember when Obama said he didn't have all the facts, but the cops acted 'stupidly'. Well alrighty then!

That was what he said. He assumed racial profiling without the facts.

 

[del]

Be a nice cur and take your bone and crawl back under the porch.

cur or not, i've never crawled in my life and i don't plan to start now just because you're committed to defending the indefensible, er, being the bane of the urbane

Dog catcher on the way.

he'll never take me alive.

 

[Anguille]

i'm sure a fair amount do, or do you think domestic violence calls never take place in someone's home and never result in someone getting arrested for disorderly conduct?

I guess I see VIOLENCE different than calling someone names.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will NEVER hurt me." kind of thing...

I also see the frustration in being accused of robbing ones own home, as being part of the stress behind Gates yelling.

If gates had been beating his wife in his own home or if he had committed any crime at all and then started going verbally ballistic, then i could see arresting him for yelling at the cop....

otherwise, no....I don't think cops should be arresting people in their own homes or on their own property when they are endangering NO ONE, and when they did not do anything wrong to have the cops approach them in the first place......then to me, the cop should recognize such, and just leave.....it is not the cops home, he does not rule another person's home....especially if the cop knew within a minute, the crime he thought had happened, DID NOT.

I know I differ with you on this, but there are so many REAL CRIMINALS out there, and the police are wasting tax payer's dime on innocent people like gates.

Care

maybe you should take this up with the person who called the cops?

It's not the person who called the cop's fault that instead of going back to his job once it was established that Gates was no burglar, dear Officer Crowley decided to throw his weight around.

 

[Valerie]

As I recall, there had been a number of break-ins in the neighborhood and the policeman was checking out the situation at Gates' house after a call from a neighbor. I believe it was Gates who actually started up the ruckus. What's a white cop to do? Would a black cop have done anything different? No. Gates simply would not have played the race card.

Exactly...Then he would have been left only with the Do you know who I am, I'm a powerful Harvard professor card. Gates acted stupidly and so did Obama for pretending there was anything racist in the officers' procedure that day.

Do you think Officer Crowley acted stupidly that day too, or does he get a free pass?

We've been through this before, I think he followed proper procedure.

 

[Valerie]

I guess I see VIOLENCE different than calling someone names.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will NEVER hurt me." kind of thing...

I also see the frustration in being accused of robbing ones own home, as being part of the stress behind Gates yelling.

If gates had been beating his wife in his own home or if he had committed any crime at all and then started going verbally ballistic, then i could see arresting him for yelling at the cop....

otherwise, no....I don't think cops should be arresting people in their own homes or on their own property when they are endangering NO ONE, and when they did not do anything wrong to have the cops approach them in the first place......then to me, the cop should recognize such, and just leave.....it is not the cops home, he does not rule another person's home....especially if the cop knew within a minute, the crime he thought had happened, DID NOT.

I know I differ with you on this, but there are so many REAL CRIMINALS out there, and the police are wasting tax payer's dime on innocent people like gates.

Care

maybe you should take this up with the person who called the cops?

It's not the person who called the cop's fault that instead of going back to his job once it was established that Gates was no burglar, dear Officer Crowley decided to throw his weight around.

Gates was the one who TRIED to throw his weight around, he left the officers no choice but to control the situation as it presented itself.

 

[Anguille]

Exactly...Then he would have been left only with the Do you know who I am, I'm a powerful Harvard professor card. Gates acted stupidly and so did Obama for pretending there was anything racist in the officers' procedure that day.

Do you think Officer Crowley acted stupidly that day too, or does he get a free pass?

We've been through this before, I think he followed proper procedure.

We have been through this all before. I think he did not follow proper procedure.

We need a new issue to get riled up about this summer instead of rehashing last year's.

del is living in the past.

 

[Valerie]

FTR -- I think the officer who punched the lady in the face for pushing him as he tried to stop her from jaywalking was way out of line.

Sometimes officers do act stupidly...In THIS case in Cambridge, the evidence shows they did not act stupidly OR in a racist manner at all.

 

[del]

I guess I see VIOLENCE different than calling someone names.

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will NEVER hurt me." kind of thing...

I also see the frustration in being accused of robbing ones own home, as being part of the stress behind Gates yelling.

If gates had been beating his wife in his own home or if he had committed any crime at all and then started going verbally ballistic, then i could see arresting him for yelling at the cop....

otherwise, no....I don't think cops should be arresting people in their own homes or on their own property when they are endangering NO ONE, and when they did not do anything wrong to have the cops approach them in the first place......then to me, the cop should recognize such, and just leave.....it is not the cops home, he does not rule another person's home....especially if the cop knew within a minute, the crime he thought had happened, DID NOT.

I know I differ with you on this, but there are so many REAL CRIMINALS out there, and the police are wasting tax payer's dime on innocent people like gates.

Care

maybe you should take this up with the person who called the cops?

It's not the person who called the cop's fault that instead of going back to his job once it was established that Gates was no burglar, dear Officer Crowley decided to throw his weight around.

*sigh*

perhaps if mr gates hadn't acted like a spoiled 3 yr old when sergeant crowley was attempting to determine if mr gates belonged in the house, sergeant crowley wouldn't have had to arrest him?

nah, the mean old racist cop was just *throwing his weight around*.

i'm sure he wouldn't have done so, if he'd been able to answer the following question from mr gates in the affirmative.

*do you know who i am?*

 

[Anguille]

FTR -- I think the officer who punched the lady in the face for pushing him as he tried to stop her from jaywalking was way out of line.

Sometimes officers do act stupidly...In THIS case in Cambridge, the evidence shows they did not act stupidly OR in a racist manner at all.

Why are people still calling this a racial incident? It seemed pretty obvious , once all the facts were in, that this was a Town versus Gown incident.
You're welcome to your opinion. I think Crowley let class differences get the better of him. I give him and Gates both credit for being able to calm down and meet later for a beer. I give Obama props for arranging that. They all seem to have gotten over the incident. Too bad others aren't able to.

 

[Valerie]

Oh look, they're STILL cashing in on the lie that it had anything to do with race.

Harvard law professor Charles Ogletree will be discussing his new book, “The Presumption of Guilt: The Arrest of Henry Louis Gates and Race, Class and Crime in America,” at the Harvard Coop July 1 at 7 p.m. Ogletree acted as Gates’ lawyer after he was arrested. The description of the book is below:

Shortly after noon on Tuesday, July 16, 2009, Henry Louis Gates, Jr., MacArthur Fellow and Harvard professor, was mistakenly arrested by Cambridge police sergeant James Crowley for attempting to break into his own home. The ensuing media firestorm ignited debate across the country. The Crowley-Gates incident was a clash of absolutes, underscoring the tension between black and white, police and civilians, and the privileged and less privileged in modern America. Charles Ogletree, one of the country’s foremost experts on civil rights, uses this incident as a lens through which to explore issues of race, class, and crime, with the goal of creating a more just legal system for all.

You knew it was gonna happen: A book about the arrest of Henry Louis Gates : Cantabrigia

 

[xotoxi]

WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY HAVE THE FUCKING RIGHT TO YELL AND SCREAM AND CURSE AT THE FUCKING POLICE OR AT ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER...THOSE FUCKING STUPID PEOPLE!!!
Know what I'm sayin'?

 

[del]

FTR -- I think the officer who punched the lady in the face for pushing him as he tried to stop her from jaywalking was way out of line.

Sometimes officers do act stupidly...In THIS case in Cambridge, the evidence shows they did not act stupidly OR in a racist manner at all.

Why are people still calling this a racial incident? It seemed pretty obvious , once all the facts were in, that this was a Town versus Gown incident.
You're welcome to your opinion. I think Crowley let class differences get the better of him. I give him and Gates both credit for being able to calm down and meet later for a beer. I give Obama props for arranging that. They all seem to have gotten over the incident. Too bad others aren't able to.

i'm sure in a couple of years you'll be able to discuss this rationally.

 

[del]

WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THAT THEY HAVE THE FUCKING RIGHT TO YELL AND SCREAM AND CURSE AT THE FUCKING POLICE OR AT ANYONE ELSE FOR THAT MATTER...THOSE FUCKING STUPID PEOPLE!!!
Know what I'm sayin'?

no

 

[Anguille]

FTR -- I think the officer who punched the lady in the face for pushing him as he tried to stop her from jaywalking was way out of line.

Sometimes officers do act stupidly...In THIS case in Cambridge, the evidence shows they did not act stupidly OR in a racist manner at all.

Why are people still calling this a racial incident? It seemed pretty obvious , once all the facts were in, that this was a Town versus Gown incident.
You're welcome to your opinion. I think Crowley let class differences get the better of him. I give him and Gates both credit for being able to calm down and meet later for a beer. I give Obama props for arranging that. They all seem to have gotten over the incident. Too bad others aren't able to.

i'm sure in a couple of years you'll be able to discuss this rationally.

Only if you're paying for the beers.

 

[del]

Why are people still calling this a racial incident? It seemed pretty obvious , once all the facts were in, that this was a Town versus Gown incident.
You're welcome to your opinion. I think Crowley let class differences get the better of him. I give him and Gates both credit for being able to calm down and meet later for a beer. I give Obama props for arranging that. They all seem to have gotten over the incident. Too bad others aren't able to.

i'm sure in a couple of years you'll be able to discuss this rationally.

Only if you're paying for the beers.

i think a sligo punch would be more appropriate, but i'll spring for the beers.

i draw the line at inviting joe biden, though.

 

[xotoxi]

i'm sure in a couple of years you'll be able to discuss this rationally.

Only if you're paying for the beers.

i think a sligo punch would be more appropriate, but i'll spring for the beers.

i draw the line at inviting joe biden, though.

Awww c'mon!

You don't want any humorous gaffes at your gathering?