CDZ Who Was The First Party To Elect Blacks To Office?

[2aguy]

I get the feeling you are trying to pretend those Republicans are the same as todays Republicans. Everyone knows those Republicans were liberals so lets make sure that is noted in your thread.

actually, no....democrats in the south were conserving the institution of slavery......Republicans in the North were conserving the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.........

the attempt to make modern democrats less racist is false.....the democrat party has been the party of racism and racists since the days of slavery.....any racist group you see today finds a home in the democrat party.....

 

[2aguy]

I get the feeling you are trying to pretend those Republicans are the same as todays Republicans. Everyone knows those Republicans were liberals so lets make sure that is noted in your thread.

To more clearly point out the falsehood of your party switching argument is rather easy. Just because the states went red does NOT mean the racists became Republican. On the contrary it shows Republicans ARE beating racists democrats state by state and THAT is why they are turning color.

IF your argument were even CLOSE to true we would still be seeing cross burning's or dogs and fire hose's on black people. Those things have ended BECAUSE those states are turning red NOT despite those states turning red. Here is some ZO to cover the fine points.


The states turning red is a natural thing as those states move toward MORE freedom for the person no matter the color and to argue otherwise SUGGEST that those states AND people are unable to see the racist past of the party that brought the very destruction/enslavement AND killing of it's citizens.

Your first paragraph is a perfect example of faulty logic. The southern strategy has already been admitted to by the GOP so that pretty much kills your argument.

Your logic continues in the second paragraph with a wild assumption that we would be seeing more cross burnings, dogs , and hoses. We dont see that for two reasons. Its against the law and white racists are afraid of Blacks that are not going to turn the other check while this occurs. If they thought there were no consequences to their actions they would be doing it as we speak.

The states turning red was an orchestrated thing. which you can see if you have any education in regards to the history of politics in the south. There is nothing natural about this being orchestrated.

The "southern strategy" is a myth created by the democrats.....the Repubilcans won the younger, less racist south...while the democrats continued to win the older, racist south....

 

[2aguy]

On the Southern Strategy.....

Southern Whites Shift to the GOP Predates the 60s RealClearPolitics

Nor can we simply write this off to Eisenhower’s celebrity. The GOP was slowly improving its showings at the congressional level as well. It won a special election to a House seat in west Texas in 1950, and began winning urban congressional districts in Texas, North Carolina, Florida and Virginia with regularity beginning in 1952.

Perhaps the biggest piece of evidence that something significant was afoot is Richard Nixon’s showing in 1960. He won 46.1 percent of the vote to John F. Kennedy’s 50.5 percent. One can write this off to JFK’s Catholicism, but writing off three elections in a row becomes problematic, especially given the other developments bubbling up at the local level. It’s even more problematic when you consider that JFK had the nation’s most prominent Southerner on the ticket with him.

But the biggest problem with the thesis comes when you consider what had been going on in the interim: Two civil rights bills pushed by the Eisenhower administration had cleared Congress, and the administration was pushing forward with the Brown decision, most famously by sending the 101st Airborne Division to Arkansas to assist with the integration of Little Rock Central High School.

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[JakeStarkey]

The "southern strategy" is a myth created by the democrats.....the Repubilcans won the younger, less racist south...while the democrats continued to win the older, racist south....

That's a new assertion without any evidence.

 

[2aguy]

The "southern strategy" is a myth created by the democrats.....the Repubilcans won the younger, less racist south...while the democrats continued to win the older, racist south....

That's a new assertion without any evidence.

Southern Whites Shift to the GOP Predates the 60s RealClearPolitics

 

[2aguy]

The "southern strategy" is a myth created by the democrats.....the Repubilcans won the younger, less racist south...while the democrats continued to win the older, racist south....

That's a new assertion without any evidence.

The myth of a GOP Southern strategy Chicago

OK, but didn’t all the old segregationist senators leave the Democratic Party and become Republicans after 1964? No, just one did: Strom Thurmond. The rest remained in the Democratic Party — including former Klansman Robert Byrd, who became president pro tempore of the Senate.

Former racists of both parties renounced their old views (as Kevin Williamson points out, Johnson himself voted against anti-lynching laws and poll-tax repeals), and neither party has a perfect record on racial matters by any stretch. But it is a libel to suggest that the Republican Party, the anti-slavery party, the party of Lincoln, and the party that traditionally supported civil rights, anti-lynching laws and integration, became the racist party after 1964.

The “solid south” Democratic voting pattern began to break down not in the 1960s in response to civil rights, but in the 1950s in response to economic development and the Cold War. (Black voters in the north, who had been reliable Republicans, began to abandon the GOP in response to the New Deal, encouraged by activists like Robert Vann to “turn Lincoln’s picture to the wall. That debt has been paid in full.”) In the 1940s, the GOP garnered only about 25 percent of southern votes.

The big break came with Dwight Eisenhower’s victories. Significant percentages of white southerners voted for Ike, though the Democratic Party remained firmly segregationist and though Eisenhower backed two civil rights bills and enforced the Brown decision by federalizing the National Guard. They also began to send GOP representatives to the House.

 

[JakeStarkey]

OK, you have an article, which is not evidenced seriously. It's the dude's opinion and the evidence does not support it.

What is interesting is that agrees modern GOP folks don't understand race at all.

I by-and-large agree with the thrust of Jamelle Bouie’s recent American Prospect article, which argues that Republicans badly misapprehend the reason(s) African-Americans generally vote for Democratic candidates. Too many conservatives assert that African-Americans have developed a “false consciousness” and simply need to be shown the error of their ways before they’ll start supporting Republicans. Asking “What’s the matter with black people?” simply isn’t going to get the GOP very far in its minority outreach efforts.

I would also suggest that many GOP folks assign a "false conciousness" to women, Hispanics, and other minorities that can be "fixed" if they are taught to properly understand.

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[2aguy]

And more on the idea of the Southern Strategy myth....for more detail on voting patterns...you'll probably have to read the book....

The Southern Strategy Myth and the Lost Majority RedState


But the reality is quite different from the myth.

The Real Story of the Un-Solid South

At the center of the Southern Strategy myth is the idea that Republicans used the race card to seduce Democratic voters in the South into leaving their natural partisan home. The truth, as Trende convincingly demonstrates, is the opposite: the growth of GOP support among white Southerners was steady and mostly gradual from 1928 to 2010, and was a natural outgrowth of the fact that white Southerners were ideologically much more compatible with the national Republican agenda and coalition than with the national Democratic agenda and coalition. What retarded the Southern switch from the Democrats to the GOP was a combination of party loyalties dating back to Reconstruction and the Democrats’ use of racial issues. In other words, if you take race out of the picture, it’s likely that white Southerners would have switched parties earlier and in greater numbers. The real “Southern Strategy” was the one pursued by the Democrats, especially under FDR, to keep conservative white Southerners in a liberal party.

 

[2aguy]

OK, you have an article, which is not evidenced seriously. It's the dude's opinion and the evidence does not support it.

What is interesting is that agrees modern GOP folks don't understand race at all.

I by-and-large agree with the thrust of Jamelle Bouie’s recent American Prospect article, which argues that Republicans badly misapprehend the reason(s) African-Americans generally vote for Democratic candidates. Too many conservatives assert that African-Americans have developed a “false consciousness” and simply need to be shown the error of their ways before they’ll start supporting Republicans. Asking “What’s the matter with black people?” simply isn’t going to get the GOP very far in its minority outreach efforts.

I would also suggest that many GOP folks assign a "false conciousness" to women, Hispanics, and other minorities that can be "fixed" if they are taught to properly understand.

Read more: Southern Whites Shift to the GOP Predates the 60s RealClearPolitics
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The reason minorites vote democrat is they offer government welfare, much more than republicans do...that and the great society destroyed minority and poor families, creating generations of single mother headed households.......and the great society was aimed directly at creating that dependence....

After all...the Republican message...smaller government..you get to keep what you earn...the democrat message....we will give you what you need to live......

A single mother house hold.....generation after generation...what message sounds more secure.........

as more poor families...of all races became dependent on government for survival......they voted for the party that promised more help...vs. the party that offered opportunity to make your own way....

Here are some out of wedlock birth stats.....the building block of the modern democrat voting power....

Census More first-time mothers give birth out of wedlock - Washington Times


The report finds that most American women still are married when they give birth to their first child, but the margins are steadily declining.

During the 1990s, around 70 percent of first-time mothers of all ages were married, with about 18 percent single and the rest cohabiting, the report said.

By the years 2005-2012, however, data showed that a significantly smaller majority of new mothers — 55 percent — were married, while 25 percent were cohabiting and 20 percent were single and without a steady partner.

Single, female headed households create most of the ills inflicting our country......

 

[JakeStarkey]

You just agreed with Too many conservatives assert that African-Americans have developed a “false consciousness” and simply need to be shown the error of their ways before they’ll start supporting Republicans.

 

[2aguy]

You just agreed with Too many conservatives assert that African-Americans have developed a “false consciousness” and simply need to be shown the error of their ways before they’ll start supporting Republicans.

Yeah....so.......they vote democrat after 60 or more years with absolutely nothing to show for it......and they still vote 95% for democrats..........someone should explain that what they are doing isn't helping them or their children.........don't you think.......graduation rates at 50% or lower, graduating from democrat controlled schools and they can't read or compete in college, generations of children raising children, single parent, female headed households, poverty, gangs, drugs, huge incarceration rates for their young men....

Yeah..........they should keep voting for the party that used to own their ancestors....it seems to really be working for them.......

 

[JakeStarkey]

2aguy is wrong and basks in it. You just enjoy saying they are stupid anyway.

 

[2aguy]

The republicans need to make a case for limited government, school choice, and any number of issues that everyone can understand.......it is racists who think blacks need a special approach..........

 

[2aguy]

And they are starting to realize it.....last year you had Chicago minorities talking about the democrat party and talking about how bad it has been for them......we'll see where it goes....

 

[JakeStarkey]

Keep up your false consciousness approach, and you will continue to go nowhere.

 

[Jroc]

Don't mind fake Jake he's an agitator and doesn't normally contribute much to threads.

 

[Jroc]

Jroc is projecting his lack of worth again.

Until we honestly reaching out tow omen and minorities where they are instead of spreading "if they only understood" bull shit, we will not sweep government ever again. They are the future, not our dying 20th century far right nonsense.

Was that English?

 

[JakeStarkey]

This will help Jroc.

Jroc is projecting his lack of worth again.

Until we honestly start reaching out to women and minorities where they are instead of spreading "if they only understood" bull shit, we will not sweep government ever again. They are the future, not our dying 20th century far right nonsense.

 

[peach174]

I get the feeling you are trying to pretend those Republicans are the same as todays Republicans. Everyone knows those Republicans were liberals so lets make sure that is noted in your thread.

They are the same as back then.
The Dem's have gotten good a lying and demonizing the Republican Party and the people that vote for them believes their lying asses.
The problem with the Republicans is they have never become good at stopping the Dem's lies.
Repub's don't have a backbone, they are too afraid to stick to their principals.

 

[Asclepias]

I get the feeling you are trying to pretend those Republicans are the same as todays Republicans. Everyone knows those Republicans were liberals so lets make sure that is noted in your thread.

They are the same as back then.
The Dem's have gotten good a lying and demonizing the Republican Party and the people that vote for them believes their lying asses.
The problem with the Republicans is they have never become good at stopping the Dem's lies.
Repub's don't have a backbone, they are too afraid to stick to their principals.

I disagree. There is nothing any Dem can say to me about Repubs that can do the damage the Repubs do to themselves with their racist comments..