Who Bears More Responsibility for the War in Gaza?

[Sweet_Caroline]

Is religion the root problem of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?

Yes, it is in the Quoran.

So, it has nothing to do with the Jews evicting the native people of from most of Palestine and the siege of Gaza?

You would like to think so, but no, it goes way way back.

 

[Sweet_Caroline]

Is religion the root problem of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?

Yes, it is in the Quoran.

What about Jews as the co-called chosen people?

In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews are the chosen people, chosen to be in a covenant with God. This idea is first found in the Torah (the first five books of the Tanakh, which are also included in the Christian Bible) and is elaborated on in later books of the Hebrew Bible. Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose.

Jews as the chosen people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chosen to receive the Torah. The only worthy group of people at that time to be so privileged.

 

[Lakhota]

Yes, it is in the Quoran.

What about Jews as the co-called chosen people?

In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews are the chosen people, chosen to be in a covenant with God. This idea is first found in the Torah (the first five books of the Tanakh, which are also included in the Christian Bible) and is elaborated on in later books of the Hebrew Bible. Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose.

Jews as the chosen people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Chosen to receive the Torah. The only worthy group of people at that time to be so privileged.

Deemed "worthy" by whom?

 

[montelatici]

Appeasement and the PC culture is responsible for the War. The World telling Israel to play nice in the Quicksand Box of the middle east instead of doing what needed to be done in the past after victories on the battlefield.

They should have never given back the territories after winning the Wars. They should have taken the land and held it, even if it meant driving those groups into countries like Jordan who fund the carnage from the safety of their country, while causing the people who live in these areas to live in poverty because of the continual influx of weapons and funding for orgs like Hamas, and others.

Israel should take this territory now, and do whatever is necessary to end this once and for all. However, they know the global community will condemn them if they do what needs to be done. Thus the Global Community is forcing endless War.

Thus appeasement, PC culture, and refusing to finish the job is at fault.

Do you think that 6 million Jews who's ancestors stole the land from the local Christians and Muslims would be able to survive as enemies of a few hundred million non-Jews in an enclave the size of historic Palestine after they murder or evict the 6 million non-Jews now under their control for the long term? I don't think so.

 

[eagle1462010]

Appeasement and the PC culture is responsible for the War. The World telling Israel to play nice in the Quicksand Box of the middle east instead of doing what needed to be done in the past after victories on the battlefield.

They should have never given back the territories after winning the Wars. They should have taken the land and held it, even if it meant driving those groups into countries like Jordan who fund the carnage from the safety of their country, while causing the people who live in these areas to live in poverty because of the continual influx of weapons and funding for orgs like Hamas, and others.

Israel should take this territory now, and do whatever is necessary to end this once and for all. However, they know the global community will condemn them if they do what needs to be done. Thus the Global Community is forcing endless War.

Thus appeasement, PC culture, and refusing to finish the job is at fault.

Do you think that 6 million Jews who's ancestors stole the land from the local Christians and Muslims would be able to survive as enemies of a few hundred million non-Jews in an enclave the size of historic Palestine after they murder or evict the 6 million non-Jews now under their control for the long term? I don't think so.

Those hundreds of millions have attacked them before. How did it turn out...........

There are a little over a million in Gaza.

Egypt became civilized and chose Peace, they need to do the same or pay the price for their Charters which are pure Evil.

 

[montelatici]

Appeasement and the PC culture is responsible for the War. The World telling Israel to play nice in the Quicksand Box of the middle east instead of doing what needed to be done in the past after victories on the battlefield.

They should have never given back the territories after winning the Wars. They should have taken the land and held it, even if it meant driving those groups into countries like Jordan who fund the carnage from the safety of their country, while causing the people who live in these areas to live in poverty because of the continual influx of weapons and funding for orgs like Hamas, and others.

Israel should take this territory now, and do whatever is necessary to end this once and for all. However, they know the global community will condemn them if they do what needs to be done. Thus the Global Community is forcing endless War.

Thus appeasement, PC culture, and refusing to finish the job is at fault.

Do you think that 6 million Jews who's ancestors stole the land from the local Christians and Muslims would be able to survive as enemies of a few hundred million non-Jews in an enclave the size of historic Palestine after they murder or evict the 6 million non-Jews now under their control for the long term? I don't think so.

Those hundreds of millions have attacked them before. How did it turn out...........

There are a little over a million in Gaza.

Egypt became civilized and chose Peace, they need to do the same or pay the price for their Charters which are pure Evil.

There are 1.8 million non-Jews in Gaza, 2.7 million non-Jews in the West Bank and 2 million non-Jews in Israel. Together more non-Jews than Jews under Israeli control.

Stop the siege and occupation and there might be peace. You can't have peace if you oppress people.

 

[eagle1462010]

Do you think that 6 million Jews who's ancestors stole the land from the local Christians and Muslims would be able to survive as enemies of a few hundred million non-Jews in an enclave the size of historic Palestine after they murder or evict the 6 million non-Jews now under their control for the long term? I don't think so.

Those hundreds of millions have attacked them before. How did it turn out...........

There are a little over a million in Gaza.

Egypt became civilized and chose Peace, they need to do the same or pay the price for their Charters which are pure Evil.

There are 1.8 million non-Jews in Gaza, 2.7 million non-Jews in the West Bank and 2 million non-Jews in Israel. Together more non-Jews than Jews under Israeli control.

Stop the siege and occupation and there might be peace. You can't have peace if you oppress people.

2 million non Jews in Israel. I don't see them firing rockets at their OWN COUNTRY. Why is that? Perhaps because they are protected from the likes of HAMAS.

 

[montelatici]

Those hundreds of millions have attacked them before. How did it turn out...........

There are a little over a million in Gaza.

Egypt became civilized and chose Peace, they need to do the same or pay the price for their Charters which are pure Evil.

There are 1.8 million non-Jews in Gaza, 2.7 million non-Jews in the West Bank and 2 million non-Jews in Israel. Together more non-Jews than Jews under Israeli control.

Stop the siege and occupation and there might be peace. You can't have peace if you oppress people.

2 million non Jews in Israel. I don't see them firing rockets at their OWN COUNTRY. Why is that? Perhaps because they are protected from the likes of HAMAS.

While they are discriminated against and Jews have more rights than non-Jews, Israel being a theocracy like Iran, they are under close control by the Jews. The Jews can believe they will be able to oppress and control a population of non-Jews larger than their own for the long term, but as history has proven, it won't last. And, after all the murder and oppression they have perpetrated on the non-Jews, it is difficult to believe that the non-Jews will be as forgiving as the non-Whites of South Africa. It will be more like Rhodesia.

 

[eagle1462010]

There are 1.8 million non-Jews in Gaza, 2.7 million non-Jews in the West Bank and 2 million non-Jews in Israel. Together more non-Jews than Jews under Israeli control.

Stop the siege and occupation and there might be peace. You can't have peace if you oppress people.

2 million non Jews in Israel. I don't see them firing rockets at their OWN COUNTRY. Why is that? Perhaps because they are protected from the likes of HAMAS.

While they are discriminated against and Jews have more rights than non-Jews, Israel being a theocracy like Iran, they are under close control by the Jews. The Jews can believe they will be able to oppress and control a population of non-Jews larger than their own for the long term, but as history has proven, it won't last. And, after all the murder and oppression they have perpetrated on the non-Jews, it is difficult to believe that the non-Jews will be as forgiving as the non-Whites of South Africa. It will be more like Rhodesia.

Baloney. You are nothing more than a poster boy for Radical Islam and nothing more. Hamas and the others like them need to go to see Allah and their 72 virgins early to end this.

That day is coming. The world will eventually have to deal with them when they finally go to far............It's not a matter of if, but when.........................

And when the gloves come off, and it is fought like a War the whole area will be flattened.

Is that what you want for them............

Is that what you want for the entire middle east...............

Perhaps they need to look to Egypt and see that they can live in Peace if they choose to do so, and stop the endless killing. If they don't, it will cause massive destruction of the area in the future.

That isn't good for them, or anybody else.

 

[Indeependent]

Is religion the root problem of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?

On the Palestinian side, yes.
On the Israeli side, no; I wish it was, but it isn't.

 

[Indeependent]

Is religion the root problem of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict?

Yes, it is in the Quoran.

What about Jews as the co-called chosen people?

In Judaism, "chosenness" is the belief that the Jews are the chosen people, chosen to be in a covenant with God. This idea is first found in the Torah (the first five books of the Tanakh, which are also included in the Christian Bible) and is elaborated on in later books of the Hebrew Bible. Much is written about these topics in rabbinic literature. The three largest Jewish denominations—Orthodox Judaism, Conservative Judaism and Reform Judaism—maintain the belief that the Jews have been chosen by God for a purpose.

Jews as the chosen people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Less than 10% of Israeli Jews are Observant, the rest simply want to live in peace, work and party.

 

[Indeependent]

Do you think that 6 million Jews who's ancestors stole the land from the local Christians and Muslims would be able to survive as enemies of a few hundred million non-Jews in an enclave the size of historic Palestine after they murder or evict the 6 million non-Jews now under their control for the long term? I don't think so.

Those hundreds of millions have attacked them before. How did it turn out...........

There are a little over a million in Gaza.

Egypt became civilized and chose Peace, they need to do the same or pay the price for their Charters which are pure Evil.

There are 1.8 million non-Jews in Gaza, 2.7 million non-Jews in the West Bank and 2 million non-Jews in Israel. Together more non-Jews than Jews under Israeli control.

Stop the siege and occupation and there might be peace. You can't have peace if you oppress people.

etc..., etc..., etc...

 

[toastman]

The best thing would be for the UN to admit that Israel was a mistake, and it should never have tried to allocate land which didn't belong to the UN to a bunch of "moonies with F16's".

So Israel is forthwith cancelled, due to its crimes against humanity.

Extremely stupid post, as usual...

 

[Billo_Really]

How about British crimes? And Zimbabwean?, or how about them Russian crimes? Wouldn't it be nice to be able to cancel a country because of their crimes...

Before or after "due process"?

 

[Disir]

Hamas is responsible.

I am very familiar with this conflict and it's history.

I disagree. A lot of very intelligent people who are also "very familiar with this conflict and it's history" also disagree.

Unfortunately, the facts say otherwise. Further, this isn't a commercial so the number of allegedly intelligent others is not relevant.

Gaza is not occupied. It has a legal definition. To say otherwise is flat out lying.

 

[Billo_Really]

Unfortunately, the facts say otherwise. Further, this isn't a commercial so the number of allegedly intelligent others is not relevant.

Gaza is not occupied. It has a legal definition. To say otherwise is flat out lying.

Bullshit! Israel "effectively controls" 80% of the area.

That satisfies the definition of an occupation.

 

[Disir]

Unfortunately, the facts say otherwise. Further, this isn't a commercial so the number of allegedly intelligent others is not relevant.

Gaza is not occupied. It has a legal definition. To say otherwise is flat out lying.

Bullshit! Israel "effectively controls" 80% of the area.

That satisfies the definition of an occupation.

BULLSHIT. There is a legal criteria. Because you say so doesn't get it.

 

[Indeependent]

Unfortunately, the facts say otherwise. Further, this isn't a commercial so the number of allegedly intelligent others is not relevant.

Gaza is not occupied. It has a legal definition. To say otherwise is flat out lying.

Bullshit! Israel "effectively controls" 80% of the area.

That satisfies the definition of an occupation.

BULLSHIT. There is a legal criteria. Because you say so doesn't get it.

How dare you disagree with Billo who gets his info from FuckTheJews.org!

 

[Billo_Really]

BULLSHIT. There is a legal criteria. Because you say so doesn't get it.

That is the legal definition!

Under IHL, there is occupation when a State exercises an unconsented-to effective control over a territory on which it has no sovereign title.

And "effective control" is defined as...

definition of effective control implies that an occupation could exist solely on the basis of the foreign power’s ability to project military power from a position beyond the boundaries of the ‘occupied territory’.

So no, it is not bullshit.

 

[Disir]

Bullshit! Israel "effectively controls" 80% of the area.

That satisfies the definition of an occupation.

BULLSHIT. There is a legal criteria. Because you say so doesn't get it.

How dare you disagree with Billo who gets his info from FuckTheJews.org!

Is that were it comes from?