Who Armed Iraq...?

[woodyvoinche]

Reference the Wall Street Journal article of March 24, 2003, by Gary Milhollin and Kelly Motz, on technology and weapons sales to Iraq during the 1980's and 1990's.

The German company, KARL KOLB, was involved in the building of six plants for chemical weapons production; WATER ENGINEERING TRADING, WET, provided machinery to convert rockets and rocket propelled grenades into delivery systems for chemical weapons(WSJ, Oct 10, 1990, A17); IMHAUSEN may have been involved in providing other equipment and technology to produce nuclear and bioweapons...THYSSEN, CARL ZEISS, DEGISSA, and SIEMENS provided everything from turbopumps for rocket engines to electronics for missiles.

Prior to the first gulf war, the Soviets sold thousands of tanks and hundreds of missiles, while France sold over 100 Mirage jet fighters, French gazelle and alouette helicopters, French matra armat, aerospatiale, and exocet missiles.(WSJ, Aug 8, 1990, A6)

Britain's TMG ENGINEERING served as a front company for missile procurement and the British, MATRIX CHURCHILL(in which Iraq held a controlling interest) supplied machine tools from XYZ OPTIONS Inc. of Tuscaloose, Ala. and financed through the Atlanta branch of the Italian BNL. This Atlanta bank supplied $3 billion in credit to Iraq...some of it guaranteed by the Commodity Credit Corp. of the Dept of Agriculture.(WSJ, Sept 14, 1989, A4)

LiTTON Industries assisted Iraq's missile production complex...UNISYS Co. sold high speed computers to Iraq that could be used by the Defense Ministry...the Belgian unit of PHILLIPS PETROLEUM sold 500 tons of thiodiglycol(a precursor of mustard gas)(to their credit they rejected a second order)(WSJ, Sept 16, 1988, A1)...AMERICAN TYPE CULTURE COLLECTION Co. and the Centers for Disease Control sent strains of Anthrax, Gas gangrene, Botulinum, and possibly West Nile Virus to
sites that were part of Saddams biological weapons program...this just scratches the surface of the companies and weaponry that was sold to Saddam...

Mr. Milhollin and Ms. Motz asked the $75 billion dollar question..."Wouldn't it be cheaper-and more humane-not to create the problem in the first place?"

woody voinche

 

[Gunny]

Reference the Wall Street Journal article of March 24, 2003, by Gary Milhollin and Kelly Motz, on technology and weapons sales to Iraq during the 1980's and 1990's.

The German company, KARL KOLB, was involved in the building of six plants for chemical weapons production; WATER ENGINEERING TRADING, WET, provided machinery to convert rockets and rocket propelled grenades into delivery systems for chemical weapons(WSJ, Oct 10, 1990, A17); IMHAUSEN may have been involved in providing other equipment and technology to produce nuclear and bioweapons...THYSSEN, CARL ZEISS, DEGISSA, and SIEMENS provided everything from turbopumps for rocket engines to electronics for missiles.

Prior to the first gulf war, the Soviets sold thousands of tanks and hundreds of missiles, while France sold over 100 Mirage jet fighters, French gazelle and alouette helicopters, French matra armat, aerospatiale, and exocet missiles.(WSJ, Aug 8, 1990, A6)

Britain's TMG ENGINEERING served as a front company for missile procurement and the British, MATRIX CHURCHILL(in which Iraq held a controlling interest) supplied machine tools from XYZ OPTIONS Inc. of Tuscaloose, Ala. and financed through the Atlanta branch of the Italian BNL. This Atlanta bank supplied $3 billion in credit to Iraq...some of it guaranteed by the Commodity Credit Corp. of the Dept of Agriculture.(WSJ, Sept 14, 1989, A4)

LiTTON Industries assisted Iraq's missile production complex...UNISYS Co. sold high speed computers to Iraq that could be used by the Defense Ministry...the Belgian unit of PHILLIPS PETROLEUM sold 500 tons of thiodiglycol(a precursor of mustard gas)(to their credit they rejected a second order)(WSJ, Sept 16, 1988, A1)...AMERICAN TYPE CULTURE COLLECTION Co. and the Centers for Disease Control sent strains of Anthrax, Gas gangrene, Botulinum, and possibly West Nile Virus to
sites that were part of Saddams biological weapons program...this just scratches the surface of the companies and weaponry that was sold to Saddam...

Mr. Milhollin and Ms. Motz asked the $75 billion dollar question..."Wouldn't it be cheaper-and more humane-not to create the problem in the first place?"

woody voinche

And your point IS .......?

We traded with Nazi Germany and Japan before we kicked their asses too. Your post is irrelevant as all of the above happened prior to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait; which, is what got them on the shit list.

 

[Annie]

Reference the Wall Street Journal article of March 24, 2003, by Gary Milhollin and Kelly Motz, on technology and weapons sales to Iraq during the 1980's and 1990's.

The German company, KARL KOLB, was involved in the building of six plants for chemical weapons production; WATER ENGINEERING TRADING, WET, provided machinery to convert rockets and rocket propelled grenades into delivery systems for chemical weapons(WSJ, Oct 10, 1990, A17); IMHAUSEN may have been involved in providing other equipment and technology to produce nuclear and bioweapons...THYSSEN, CARL ZEISS, DEGISSA, and SIEMENS provided everything from turbopumps for rocket engines to electronics for missiles.

Prior to the first gulf war, the Soviets sold thousands of tanks and hundreds of missiles, while France sold over 100 Mirage jet fighters, French gazelle and alouette helicopters, French matra armat, aerospatiale, and exocet missiles.(WSJ, Aug 8, 1990, A6)

Britain's TMG ENGINEERING served as a front company for missile procurement and the British, MATRIX CHURCHILL(in which Iraq held a controlling interest) supplied machine tools from XYZ OPTIONS Inc. of Tuscaloose, Ala. and financed through the Atlanta branch of the Italian BNL. This Atlanta bank supplied $3 billion in credit to Iraq...some of it guaranteed by the Commodity Credit Corp. of the Dept of Agriculture.(WSJ, Sept 14, 1989, A4)

LiTTON Industries assisted Iraq's missile production complex...UNISYS Co. sold high speed computers to Iraq that could be used by the Defense Ministry...the Belgian unit of PHILLIPS PETROLEUM sold 500 tons of thiodiglycol(a precursor of mustard gas)(to their credit they rejected a second order)(WSJ, Sept 16, 1988, A1)...AMERICAN TYPE CULTURE COLLECTION Co. and the Centers for Disease Control sent strains of Anthrax, Gas gangrene, Botulinum, and possibly West Nile Virus to
sites that were part of Saddams biological weapons program...this just scratches the surface of the companies and weaponry that was sold to Saddam...

Mr. Milhollin and Ms. Motz asked the $75 billion dollar question..."Wouldn't it be cheaper-and more humane-not to create the problem in the first place?"

woody voinche

My gosh, you are quoting your own post, again with no link, from over a year ago? :shocked:

http://www.expatica.com/source/forum_thread.asp?channel_id=5&post_id=44149

 

[Gunny]

My gosh, you are quoting your own post, again with no link, from over a year ago? :shocked:

http://www.expatica.com/source/forum_thread.asp?channel_id=5&post_id=44149

The lefties love to pull this argument out, taking it out of context of its true signifigance. As long as Saddam was courting Western powers and playing ball, we tried to woo him right back. He DID have oil to trade. When we told him no about something, he just went to the Soviets and French who armed him to the teeth.

 

[Jimmyeatworld]

My gosh, you are quoting your own post, again with no link, from over a year ago? :shocked:

http://www.expatica.com/source/forum_thread.asp?channel_id=5&post_id=44149

That's sad. Twelve posts, and two of them are the same thing.

Wonder how long before he comes in posting the failure on Google thing.

 

[SpidermanTuba]

The lefties love to pull this argument out, taking it out of context of its true signifigance. As long as Saddam was courting Western powers and playing ball, we tried to woo him right back. He DID have oil to trade. When we told him no about something, he just went to the Soviets and French who armed him to the teeth.

So as long as Saddam is courting Western powers and playing ball - the freedom and well being of the Iraqi people is of no concern to you - but as soon as Saddam gets out of line - well then of course, we care SO much about the Iraqi people! How convenient - just as soon as Hussein isn't acting the way you want him to, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, the right wingers care SO much about the poor downtrodden Iraqis!

 

[woodyvoinche]

:whip3: Your are right Gunnyl...we not only traded with Nazi Germany and Japan but contributed to their military industrial complex...before we kicked their ass...the post on the arming of Saddam is irrelevant?...it is a FACT that we armed him before he invaded Kuwait!!! And maybe he would not have been able to invade Kuwait if we had not armed him....Pat Robertson in his book...New World Order...said that Saddam was given the "green lite" to invade Kuwait...by April Galespie implying that we had no defense treaty with Kuwait

 

[theim]

:whip3: Your are right Gunnyl...we not only traded with Nazi Germany and Japan but contributed to their military industrial complex...before we kicked their ass...the post on the arming of Saddam is irrelevant?...it is a FACT that we armed him before he invaded Kuwait!!! And maybe he would not have been able to invade Kuwait if we had not armed him....Pat Robertson in his book...New World Order...said that Saddam was given the "green lite" to invade Kuwait...by April Galespie implying that we had no defense treaty with Kuwait

lol. So let Kuwait burn then, huh? How you lefties dare claim the mantle of defenders of the downtrodden is beyond me.

 

[Gunny]

So as long as Saddam is courting Western powers and playing ball - the freedom and well being of the Iraqi people is of no concern to you - but as soon as Saddam gets out of line - well then of course, we care SO much about the Iraqi people! How convenient - just as soon as Hussein isn't acting the way you want him to, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, the right wingers care SO much about the poor downtrodden Iraqis!

Are all of your responses based on assumption? Or do you actually possess some factual knowledge?

Please provide evidence I have said that I either do or do not give a rat's ass about the Iraqi people.

However, having seen the result of Saddam and his army first-hand, I'll care about what I want and not be questioned by some wannabe-intellectual such as yourself.

 

[theim]

So as long as Saddam is courting Western powers and playing ball - the freedom and well being of the Iraqi people is of no concern to you - but as soon as Saddam gets out of line - well then of course, we care SO much about the Iraqi people! How convenient - just as soon as Hussein isn't acting the way you want him to, all of a sudden, out of nowhere, the right wingers care SO much about the poor downtrodden Iraqis!

It's not so confusing if you take a more complex post-kindergarten look at politics.

What is far more interesting is how you would rather let a populace live under tyranny than contradict a decision made by your predecessor two decades ago.

 

[Gunny]

:whip3: Your are right Gunnyl...we not only traded with Nazi Germany and Japan but contributed to their military industrial complex...before we kicked their ass...the post on the arming of Saddam is irrelevant?...it is a FACT that we armed him before he invaded Kuwait!!! And maybe he would not have been able to invade Kuwait if we had not armed him....Pat Robertson in his book...New World Order...said that Saddam was given the "green lite" to invade Kuwait...by April Galespie implying that we had no defense treaty with Kuwait

Incorrect. We did not provide Saddam with arms. The Russians and French outfitted Saddam's army.

 

[woodyvoinche]

Gunnyl...you need to go back and take Reading Comprehension 101...Read the original article and you will find the names of some specific American and European companies that armed Saddam...I believe you understand...but you are a disinformation agent trying to confuse...also you might want to read ...Kenneth Timmermans...THE DEATH LOBBY...Houghton Mifflin Co... www.amazon.com ... type in Timmerman(Kenneth)