Who Are The Palestinians " III "

[Sixties Fan]

In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory. It is therefore imperative to examine the boundaries of Palestine in order to define the piece of land on which Palestinian nationality was established.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

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Palestine and Palestinian nationality was established by international law not by the Mandate.

1). There was no country in the Ottoman Empire for anyone to change Nationalities.
There never had been a country called Palestine.

2). All who lived there, the Indigenous Jews, the immigrating Arab Muslims and Christians, the Druze, Bedouin, and anyone else, did not immediately acquire a new nationality, as there was no country.

3) The Mandate for Palestine was an agreement that it was going to become a Jewish State ON the land of the ancient Jewish Homeland. The British did not honor only that Mandate. All other 3 Mandates went on as planned.

4). Thanjordan, Jordan, is part of the Jewish Homeland and it was part of the Mandate for Palestine. It was wrongfully given to the Hashemites.

4). All living in the Mandate for Palestine would have become Israelis after the Independence.

5). Your misunderstanding of the Treaty of Lausanne continues to be just that.
A misunderstanding of what it actually says when it comes to Palestine.

 

[Hollie]

In international law, when a state is dissolved and new states are established, “the population follows the change of sovereignty in matters of nationality.”5 As a rule, therefore, citizens of the former state should automatically acquire the nationality of the successor state in which they had already been residing.

Nationality constitutes a legal bond that connects individuals with a specific territory, making them citizens of that territory. It is therefore imperative to examine the boundaries of Palestine in order to define the piece of land on which Palestinian nationality was established.

The status of Palestine and the nationality of its inhabitants were finally settled by the Treaty of Lausanne from the perspective of public international law. In a report submitted to the League of Nations, the British government pointed out: “The ratification of the Treaty of Lausanne in Aug., 1924, finally regularised the international status of Palestine.”123 And, thereafter, “Palestine could, at last, obtain a separate nationality.”124

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

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Palestine and Palestinian nationality was established by international law not by the Mandate.

All your usual cut and paste nonsense.

The Treaty of Lausanne never invented your delusional "country of Pal'istan".

 

[P F Tinmore]

1). There was no country in the Ottoman Empire for anyone to change Nationalities.
There never had been a country called Palestine.

2). All who lived there, the Indigenous Jews, the immigrating Arab Muslims and Christians, the Druze, Bedouin, and anyone else, did not immediately acquire a new nationality, as there was no country.

3) The Mandate for Palestine was an agreement that it was going to become a Jewish State ON the land of the ancient Jewish Homeland. The British did not honor only that Mandate. All other 3 Mandates went on as planned.

4). Thanjordan, Jordan, is part of the Jewish Homeland and it was part of the Mandate for Palestine. It was wrongfully given to the Hashemites.

4). All living in the Mandate for Palestine would have become Israelis after the Independence.

5). Your misunderstanding of the Treaty of Lausanne continues to be just that.
A misunderstanding of what it actually says when it comes to Palestine.

4). All living in the Mandate for Palestine would have become Israelis after the Independence.

This is true. All Palestinian citizens who normally lived in the territory that became Israel shall become Israeli citizens. This would include Palestinian refugees.

See UN Resolution 181.

 

[P F Tinmore]

All your usual cut and paste nonsense.

The Treaty of Lausanne never invented your delusional "country of Pal'istan".

More unsubstantiated Israeli talking points.

 

[Hollie]

This is true. All Palestinian citizens who normally lived in the territory that became Israel shall become Israeli citizens. This would include Palestinian refugees.

See UN Resolution 181.

Learn some facts.

More unsubstantiated Israeli talking points.

More cut and paste nonsense.

 

[Hollie]

This is true. All Palestinian citizens who normally lived in the territory that became Israel shall become Israeli citizens. This would include Palestinian refugees.

See UN Resolution 181.

Learn some facts. UNGA opinions are non-binding.

181 was never implemented.

 

[Hollie]

More unsubstantiated Israeli talking points.

Cut and paste the Treaty of Lausanne. There is no reference to pal'istan.

You know that but continue to spam threads with your nonsense claims.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Learn some facts. UNGA opinions are non-binding.

181 was never implemented.

Referenced the same international law that was referenced in article 30 in the Treaty of Lausanne.

 

[Hollie]

Referenced the same international law that was referenced in article 30 in the Treaty of Lausanne.

As noted. The term "pal'istan" never appears in the Treaty of Lausanne.

Your delusions are a hoot.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Referenced the same international law that was referenced in article 30 in the Treaty of Lausanne.

SECTION II .
NATIONALITY.
ARTICLE 30.

Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipsofacto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.
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Tinmore,

Exactly which State and what Nationality existed in the region known as Palestine at the time?

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ WHO is going to put an end to UNWRA, and this vile education, and finally save the lives of millions of Arabs who are held prisoners of the idea that the land is theirs and Jews are nothing but thieves and liars, and murderes of "Palestinians". Who is going to take the first step and put an end to the nightmare they live in because the rich in Gaza and the PA must continue to receive money from every sucker who has decided to give them the weapons to destroy Israel ? ]

 

[P F Tinmore]

I do not know if there was a " Who are the Palestinians 1" , as # 2 was definitely NOT about Who They Are, as the first post shows.

So, let us continue with our number "III", #2 has too many pages already, to discuss who those who call themselves Palestinians are, what their history, ideologies, dreams, goals, motives, etc are.

Are the leaders of the Palestinians actually working for a Palestinian State?
Are the leaders of the Palestinians actually taking care of their People?
Are the leaders of the Palestinians educating their populations for a future peace with Israel?
What is the difference in lifestyle between the Palestinians in Gaza and the PA ?
What is the difference in lifestyle between the poor and the rich in both places?
Does one have to belong to a certain clan in order to have a better life?
Does one have to be pro Hamas or the PA in order to have a better life?
Are all who live in Gaza and the PA civilians?
Do all Palestinians approve of their leaders?
What does the common Palestinian want?
Do Palestinians care if they work in Gaza or the PA, or are they willing to work in Israel, as they did before the Intifada?
How does the common Palestinian actually feel about Israel? Will they work there, seek health care or education in Israel if they can?

What is the role of UNWRA in the education of these populations? What do they teach? Are they involved with any other refugees?

What is the role of UNWRA, period, as there are fewer and fewer refugees from the 1948 war. Will there be a time when it could be dismantled?


So, many questions, and there are many more.
All the questions and answers do come out in the news, daily.

Now, discuss.

WOW the OP is a whole page of irrelevance.

This thread is going to be a hoot.

 

[P F Tinmore]

As noted. The term "pal'istan" never appears in the Treaty of Lausanne.

Your delusions are a hoot.

So you refute with more unsubstantiated Israeli talking points.

You got nothing.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The British called it the Mandate for Palestine because it was Palestine.

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Palestinians became Palestinian by international law in 1924 and by domestic law in 1925.

 

[Hollie]

So you refute with more unsubstantiated Israeli talking points.

You got nothing.

It's funny watching you retreat from the facts.

 

[Hollie]

The Palestinians became Palestinian by international law in 1924 and by domestic law in 1925.

Nonsense.

 

[Hollie]

The British called it the Mandate for Palestine because it was Palestine.

The geographic area.

Your invented "Magcal Kingdom of Pal'istan" never existed.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Nonsense.

Great refute.

You got nothing.