Whites to be 2050 Minority

[Cousin Vinnie]

Originally posted by gop_jeff
Honestly... who the hell cares?!?!? If you don't want to be a minority, move back to Europe!

Maybe if we'd use that attitude with blacks. they would all leave!?! [...go back to Africa...]

 

[Cousin Vinnie]

Originally posted by Bullypulpit
I've been all over the Pacific rim and lived in places where I've been the only white face for miles. I know what it's like to be a minority. And you know what?...I never had any trouble.

Usually, problems about being minorities only arise in "this" country (because of the way race relations are portrayed here), and not the "pacific rim."

 

[Zhukov]

Originally posted by William Joyce
Not Al Franken, but my Jewish law professors had a hand in it!

My point is meant to be serious. Yes, we are all humans. But in terms of understanding human conflict, to say that we're all just people is monumentally unhelpful. That's like an astronomer saying, well, they all twinkle and they're all in the sky, what else do I need to know?

Human groups are very real forces, and operate in concert with individuals. People group by family, by region, by class, by religion, by company, by alma mater, by tribe --- tons of things. Of all these, race and ethnicity are huge, mostly because they are actual biological groupings, as geneticists have determined. That your race is like an extended family --- literally --- means you will naturally be more loyal to it than to outsiders. In places where different races co-exist, this has HUGE consequences that we cannot ignore by saying, "Ah, get over it, ya big racists!"

Even if YOU can ignore this, others cannot. I do not believe that racial regard is the result of either moral weakness or lack of information. In fact, the opposite is often true. It's a fact of nature that we have to deal with.

Dealing with it responsibly means acknowledging and understanding it, not necessarily trying to get "rid" of it, especially if you can't, and it's got uses in any event. What liberals call "racism" is in fact not altogether unrelated to the same human instincts that cause us to protect our children, defend our spouses, and respect our parents. I believe racial loyalty is natural, good and moral (within limits), and that it is the ESSENCE of true conservatism.

Respecting a nation's sovereignty is what I support. And the real "nations" are the blood people who make them up. Saying we're all humans is like saying the U.S. is like any other country, or that we're all one world. The multiracial marxists are just pushing racial one-worldism, and it is not good.

Truly, you make National Socialism almost seem noble.

It is true that there exists a certain amount of racial consciousness, evidenced by the contempt with which I find many of your ideas. My racial consciousness manifests itself as surfacing knowledge that a previous world leader who espoused the greatness of the white race later pushed his armies of death across my grandmother’s land. Were the blond haired, blue eyed, white skinned Poles just not white enough? What gives one group of people the right to kill another? Might? Power does not give one the right to do something, only the ability.

Unfortunately for you the ancient concepts of tribe, blood people, and ‘nation’ do not apply to the United States of America. The Poles may have carved out for themselves a piece of land and called it Poland, the Swiss Switzerland, the Rus Russia, but that is not how the United States of America came to be. The United States of America has since its inception been a haven for people of any ethnic group or religion, not a tribe of people with a closely related genetic heritage.

The United States is not a naturally formed human group, it is the greatest experiment ever attempted with respect to sociology. Though one can make generalizations concerning it, the description of the United States of America is not constrained by boundaries like race, color, or creed.

You claim to respect the sovereignty of nations but I believe you wish to define for yourself what constitutes the sovereignty of the United States of America. That is not respect. It is in fact a disregard for the tradition upon which the United States of America was built.

Furthermore, though it may be true that the long history of human conflict is almost entirely one between two or more races, it is the concept that is 'the United States of America' that this need no longer be so, that it is possible for people of any heritage to peaceably coexist with one another.

If you are constrained by the ideas of race comfort yourself with the fact that the United States of America was the product of white people as a gift to all humanity. If however you find that you must work towards a white nation you can support, the United States of America is not, and never will be, the place where your ideals can become realized. Perhaps somewhere in Europe you will find what you seek, though the weakness of secular socialism has created a husk of the strength that was once the glory of the white race.

It is not white culture that any American should seek to protect but American culture. Liberty, freedom, democracy, tolerance; these are the characteristics that make the culture of the United States of America superior to the culture of any individual race. Though it may not be that we have always as a nation achieved with purity these ideals at all times, it is towards that goal of pure realization of our ideals that we have constantly and should forever strive.

 

[OCA]

Excellent post

 

[William Joyce]

You espouse the "creedal nation" idea so fashionable nowadays. I do not subscribe to it. To say that America is nothing but an amorphous idea or set of ideals that any person or group can fit smoothly into is simply not true. History shows us that America was founded not only by whites, but a very specific groups of whites: the British. Read Federalist No. 2 if you think the founding fathers were big on multiculturalism. Read what Jefferson really had to say: the two races, being equally free, CANNOT live in the same nation. Read what Lincoln really thought --- the same thing. Today, other whites have assimilated nicely, because they have the genetic similarity to do so.

Other groups do not. It's a plain fact. A nation is a blood nation, not an idea. The creed cannot hold if written on only paper, it must be written on the heart. America today does not have this. That is why it is coming apart at the seams.

What gives a group the right to kill another group? Ask the Jews. They're the only group today claiming that right in any formally executed way. Meanwhile, they tell me that I am just like Hitler for wanting the exact same thing for my people that they have in Israel: an exclusive space. Meanwhile again, I PAY FOR THEIR RACE-NATION with my tax dollars. That's chutzpah.

All I'm asking that me and mine have a space of our own. If you deny me that right, you deny me LIFE ITSELF. And I reserve the right to kill you if you do.

You are obssessed with Hitler. Let me tell you something.

The fact of Adolph Hitler does not mean that the white race today must lay down to die for your pleasure.

You say my odds are long, and you are right. None of what I desire will happen overnight. But the groundwork must be laid in the minds of the white race for what they MUST do to survive in anything but servile fashion, and I am working on that myself.

I know this stuff is tough. But what else am I supposed to do? What else are white people supposed to do? The writing on the wall is clear. By 2050, we will be headed for minority status, and by no stretch of the imagination will that be good for us.

You and your type sometimes say, who cares if the white race lives or dies? What's the big deal?

Well, I don't know. Who cares if YOU live or die? I would hope you do, for one. Do you care if relatives die? Would you do something about it to stop it if you could? Even if the odds were long? My race is my family, and that is why I fight.

 

[Zhukov]

Two things:

Originally posted by William Joyce
You are obssessed with Hitler.

http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2602

You and your type sometimes say, who cares if the white race lives or dies? What's the big deal?

Well, I don't know. Who cares if YOU live or die? I would hope you do, for one. Do you care if relatives die? Would you do something about it to stop it if you could? Even if the odds were long? My race is my family, and that is why I fight.

Every human being, indeed every living thing, on this planet is your family, wether you like it or not.

 

[William Joyce]

"Every human being, indeed every living thing, on this planet is your family, wether you like it or not."

As a wise one once said, If the whole world be my brother, then I have no brother.