Whites do have a role in stopping racism

[Asclepias]

Correct.

Correct. They were not part of the world economy due to sanctions placed on it by the US and europe. More white people deviltry.

What about it? Didnt other european nations and the US step up to rebuild Poland and help kick start its economy?

Aren't there a whole myriad of nations with sanctions upon them that are doing better than Haiti?

How do you figure the U.S.A stepped in, and rebuilt Poland, exactly?

Poland got the Stalin plan, not the Marshall plan.

They built Communist apartments in replace of ancient beauty destroyed by Nazi Germany.

If you can list any that had sanctions and had to pay back billions you are free to list them.

By sending money to europe

Stalin was in charge of Poland. It was part of russia.

Not my problem. The point is that they had way more help and less debt than Hati.

by what means did HAITI "pay" money back and to whom. Where did the
"MONEY" go?

Read the thread. I already mentioned who. As to what means if you investigate how other countries pay debts you can apply the same methods to Haiti.

why can you not ANSWER THE SIMPLE QUESTION?

Because I wont entertain questions that waste my time.
Why the US Owes Haiti Billions -- The Briefest History | HuffPost

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Haiti gained it's independence in 1800's, Poland didn't gain it's independence until 1989.

Why am I to believe Haitians don't have a head-start over Poles?

Yet, Poland's clearly in much better shape than Haiti.
How come?

Was Poland forced to pay back France billions for freeing itself?

External debt of Haiti - Wikipedia

"The external debt of Haiti is one of the main factors that has caused the country's persistent poverty. After the slaves declared themselves free and the country independent in 1804, France, with the complicity of its allies, demanded that the newly formed country pay the French government and French slaveholders the modern equivalent of US $21 billion dollars for the "theft" of the slaves' own lives and the land that they had turned into profitable sugar and coffee-producing plantations. This independence debt was financed by French banks and the American Citibank, and finally paid off 143 years later, in 1947."

You dont have to believe. The facts are in evidence.

See the first part of the post.

So, between 1804 - 2010 Haiti went just about no-where, while the rest of the World developed, because of a debt in 1804?

So, in 200 years they couldn't produce, nor pay for the debt, thus permanent poverty?

Well, what about in the 1940's when Warsaw the Polish capital was destroyed completely by Nazi Germans, half of Polish national treasures, wealth, manuscripts, art etc. had been looted,
and most important millions of Poles of Catholic origins were killed, maimed, enslaved, POW's etc. etc. etc.

Then the Communists killed more, by famine + prisons upon take-over in the later 1940's onward.

Don't get me started on how Communism stomps out business competition, which stagnates an economy perfectly.

Correct.

Correct. They were not part of the world economy due to sanctions placed on it by the US and europe. More white people deviltry.

What about it? Didnt other european nations and the US step up to rebuild Poland and help kick start its economy?

Aren't there a whole myriad of nations with sanctions upon them that are doing better than Haiti?

How do you figure the U.S.A stepped in, and rebuilt Poland, exactly?

Poland got the Stalin plan, not the Marshall plan.

They built Communist apartments in replace of ancient beauty destroyed by Nazi Germany.

If you can list any that had sanctions and had to pay back billions you are free to list them.

By sending money to europe

Stalin was in charge of Poland. It was part of russia.

Not my problem. The point is that they had way more help and less debt than Haiti.

Germany during / after WW1 had been invaded, blockaded to basic starvation (embargoed, and expected to pay back billions.

Nazis turned around the Germany economy, and technology pretty quickly, even if doing massive damages, and harm in the mean-while.

 

[Asclepias]

Was Poland forced to pay back France billions for freeing itself?

External debt of Haiti - Wikipedia

"The external debt of Haiti is one of the main factors that has caused the country's persistent poverty. After the slaves declared themselves free and the country independent in 1804, France, with the complicity of its allies, demanded that the newly formed country pay the French government and French slaveholders the modern equivalent of US $21 billion dollars for the "theft" of the slaves' own lives and the land that they had turned into profitable sugar and coffee-producing plantations. This independence debt was financed by French banks and the American Citibank, and finally paid off 143 years later, in 1947."

You dont have to believe. The facts are in evidence.

See the first part of the post.

So, between 1804 - 2010 Haiti went just about no-where, while the rest of the World developed, because of a debt in 1804?

So, in 200 years they couldn't produce, nor pay for the debt, thus permanent poverty?

Well, what about in the 1940's when Warsaw the Polish capital was destroyed completely by Nazi Germans, half of Polish national treasures, wealth, manuscripts, art etc. had been looted,
and most important millions of Poles of Catholic origins were killed, maimed, enslaved, POW's etc. etc. etc.

Then the Communists killed more, by famine + prisons upon take-over in the later 1940's onward.

Don't get me started on how Communism stomps out business competition, which stagnates an economy perfectly.

Correct.

Correct. They were not part of the world economy due to sanctions placed on it by the US and europe. More white people deviltry.

What about it? Didnt other european nations and the US step up to rebuild Poland and help kick start its economy?

Aren't there a whole myriad of nations with sanctions upon them that are doing better than Haiti?

How do you figure the U.S.A stepped in, and rebuilt Poland, exactly?

Poland got the Stalin plan, not the Marshall plan.

They built Communist apartments in replace of ancient beauty destroyed by Nazi Germany.

If you can list any that had sanctions and had to pay back billions you are free to list them.

By sending money to europe

Stalin was in charge of Poland. It was part of russia.

Not my problem. The point is that they had way more help and less debt than Haiti.

Germany during / after WW1 had been invaded, blockaded to basic starvation (embargoed, and expected to pay back billions.

Nazis turned around the Germany economy, and technology pretty quickly, even if doing massive damages, and harm in the mean-while.

I guess you forgot the terms of the Treaty of Versailles were renegotiated to allow Germany to start up its industry. They sustained very little damaged in Germany itself. They simply waited until the embargoes were lifted.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

So, between 1804 - 2010 Haiti went just about no-where, while the rest of the World developed, because of a debt in 1804?

So, in 200 years they couldn't produce, nor pay for the debt, thus permanent poverty?

Well, what about in the 1940's when Warsaw the Polish capital was destroyed completely by Nazi Germans, half of Polish national treasures, wealth, manuscripts, art etc. had been looted,
and most important millions of Poles of Catholic origins were killed, maimed, enslaved, POW's etc. etc. etc.

Then the Communists killed more, by famine + prisons upon take-over in the later 1940's onward.

Don't get me started on how Communism stomps out business competition, which stagnates an economy perfectly.

Correct.

Correct. They were not part of the world economy due to sanctions placed on it by the US and europe. More white people deviltry.

What about it? Didnt other european nations and the US step up to rebuild Poland and help kick start its economy?

Aren't there a whole myriad of nations with sanctions upon them that are doing better than Haiti?

How do you figure the U.S.A stepped in, and rebuilt Poland, exactly?

Poland got the Stalin plan, not the Marshall plan.

They built Communist apartments in replace of ancient beauty destroyed by Nazi Germany.

If you can list any that had sanctions and had to pay back billions you are free to list them.

By sending money to europe

Stalin was in charge of Poland. It was part of russia.

Not my problem. The point is that they had way more help and less debt than Haiti.

Germany during / after WW1 had been invaded, blockaded to basic starvation (embargoed, and expected to pay back billions.

Nazis turned around the Germany economy, and technology pretty quickly, even if doing massive damages, and harm in the mean-while.

I guess you forgot the terms of the Treaty of Versailles were renegotiated to allow Germany to start up its industry. They sustained very little damaged in Germany itself. They simply waited until the embargoes were lifted.

Sure, Germany had earlier relief, but they still didn't go so backwards, now did they?

Cuba has been under an embargo, and a Communist country for quite some time, and still is nowhere near as bad as Haiti, how come?

 

[Asclepias]

Correct.

Correct. They were not part of the world economy due to sanctions placed on it by the US and europe. More white people deviltry.

What about it? Didnt other european nations and the US step up to rebuild Poland and help kick start its economy?

Aren't there a whole myriad of nations with sanctions upon them that are doing better than Haiti?

How do you figure the U.S.A stepped in, and rebuilt Poland, exactly?

Poland got the Stalin plan, not the Marshall plan.

They built Communist apartments in replace of ancient beauty destroyed by Nazi Germany.

If you can list any that had sanctions and had to pay back billions you are free to list them.

By sending money to europe

Stalin was in charge of Poland. It was part of russia.

Not my problem. The point is that they had way more help and less debt than Haiti.

Germany during / after WW1 had been invaded, blockaded to basic starvation (embargoed, and expected to pay back billions.

Nazis turned around the Germany economy, and technology pretty quickly, even if doing massive damages, and harm in the mean-while.

I guess you forgot the terms of the Treaty of Versailles were renegotiated to allow Germany to start up its industry. They sustained very little damaged in Germany itself. They simply waited until the embargoes were lifted.

Sure, Germany had earlier relief, but they still didn't go so backwards, now did they?

Cuba has been under an embargo, and a Communist country for quite some time, and still is nowhere near as bad as Haiti, how come?

Why would they? Their country was barely damaged. The only thing that hurt them was the embargoes.

How come? Russia.

Where the **** did you get your education? You keep striking out.

 

[dave p]

We are now on page 37 of irresponsible whiteness.

This is the race and racism section white folks. Whites are a race so we will talk about you.

Irresponsible whiteness. Spoken like a true ignorant racist. But then again every one here expects that from you. Thanks for not disappointing.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Aren't there a whole myriad of nations with sanctions upon them that are doing better than Haiti?

How do you figure the U.S.A stepped in, and rebuilt Poland, exactly?

Poland got the Stalin plan, not the Marshall plan.

They built Communist apartments in replace of ancient beauty destroyed by Nazi Germany.

If you can list any that had sanctions and had to pay back billions you are free to list them.

By sending money to europe

Stalin was in charge of Poland. It was part of russia.

Not my problem. The point is that they had way more help and less debt than Haiti.

Germany during / after WW1 had been invaded, blockaded to basic starvation (embargoed, and expected to pay back billions.

Nazis turned around the Germany economy, and technology pretty quickly, even if doing massive damages, and harm in the mean-while.

I guess you forgot the terms of the Treaty of Versailles were renegotiated to allow Germany to start up its industry. They sustained very little damaged in Germany itself. They simply waited until the embargoes were lifted.

Sure, Germany had earlier relief, but they still didn't go so backwards, now did they?

Cuba has been under an embargo, and a Communist country for quite some time, and still is nowhere near as bad as Haiti, how come?

Why would they? Their country was barely damaged. The only thing that hurt them was the embargoes.

How come? Russia.

Where the **** did you get your education? You keep striking out.

The blockade against Germany was actually more harsh.

The Blockade and Attempted Starvation of Germany | Ralph Raico

In December 1918, the National Health Office in Berlin calculated that 763,000 persons had died as a result of the blockade by that time; the number added to this in the first months of 1919 is unknown.7 In some respects, the armistice saw the intensification of the suffering, since the German Baltic coast was now effectively blockaded and German fishing rights in the Baltic annulled.

 

[AveryJarhman]

Frankly, I believe Americans of ALL flavors and backgrounds are WILLFULLY IGNORING America's current *CHILD CARE* PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS, aka America's potentially life scarring SYSTEMIC & GENERATIONAL Culture of Black or African American Child Abuse, Emotional Neglect and Maltreatment that evolved from America's multi-generational, ignorant, once legal Culture of Racism!

I am referring to a Culture of Child Abuse, Emotional Neglect, Abandonment and Maltreatment responsible for popular American urban story-TRUTH-tellers and 'Childhood Trauma' (#ACEs) victims the late Tupac Shakur (born 1971) and Mr. Barack "My Brother's Keeper" Obama White House guest and friend Kendrick Lamar (born 1987) vividly describing in their American art and interviews the "T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E." and "Good Kid, m.A.A.d. City" Child Abuse Cultures prevalent in far too many American communities.

I am referring to a Culture of Systemic and Generational CHILD ABUSE that THROUGH NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN, deprived Tupac and Kendrick, their childhood friends, as well as many of their elementary and JHS classmates from experiencing a SAFE, fairly or wonderfully happy American kid childhood.

Sadly, the traumatic, potentially life-scarring Criminal Child Abuse and Emotional Abandonment each of these men speaks about experiencing during a critical period of human/childhood development, resulted with them maturing into emotionally ill adults revealing in public they’ve been experiencing acute depression as well as Suic*dal Thoughts for most of their lives.

The same Culture of African American Child Abuse, Neglect and Maltreatment that for near 40 years has been inspiring significant numbers of popular urban story-TRUTH-tellers to compose and promote American music art HATEFULLY informing our world that American girls, women and MOTHERS of African descent should be viewed as less than human *itches, *hores, 'hoes' or "THOTS" unworthy of being treated with basic human respect. (THOT = "That Hoe Over There")

Unfortunately, it's plainly evident Kendrick, Tupac as well as untold numbers of American children are being raised, nurtured and socialized by moms experiencing some type of illness preventing and impeding them from embracing and following their innate, natural maternal instinct to protect their child or children from harm.

Perhaps I'm wrong but *something* is preventing significant numbers of black or American moms of African descent from recognizing that placing ABOVE ALL ELSE the emotional well being of our Nation's most precious and cherished assets, will most likely result with a fairly or wonderfully happy child maturing into a reasonably responsible teen and adult citizen caring about their own well being (*May 18, 2015 - Rise in Suic!de by Black Children Surprises Researchers - The New York Times*), as well as embracing compassion, empathy and respect for their peaceful or less fortunate neighbors.
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The late 'Childhood Trauma' (#ACEs) victim Tupac Shakur's Child Abuse, Emotional Neglect, Abandonment & Maltreatment concept:

T.H.U.G.L.I.F.E. - "The Hate U Give Little Infants Fvvks *EVERYONE"* ~Tupac Shakur

“We need more people who care; you know what I’m saying? We need more women, mothers, fathers, we need more of that…” ~Tupac Shakur, American urban story-TRUTH-teller
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Now that 'Childhood Trauma' (#ACEs) victim-survivor Oprah Winfrey LOUDLY addressed our Nation's *CHILD CARE* PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS, will YOU, a responsible, caring American citizen join Oprah & Dr. Nadine Burke Harris, MD, pediatrician & CEO of 'The Center For Youth Wellness', in passionately calling for a National MOVEMENT educating American & foreign born primary child caregivers about a potentially life scarring medical disease/condition:

"Childhood Trauma" aka
"Adverse Childhood Experiences" (#ACEs)
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During a March 11, 2018 '60 Minutes' segment titled, "Treating Trauma," Oprah Winfrey, a 'Childhood Trauma' (#ACEs) victim-survivor shared knowledge regarding America's easily PREVENTABLE, though potentially life scarring *CHILD CARE* PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS.

Knowledge Oprah exuberantly declares is a "game changer."

Video search terms: "Oprah Winfrey Dancing On Table Tops, Fixing The 'Hole In Your Soul'"

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Video search terms: 'Exposing "PRO BLACK" Modus Operandi, Logic, Fvvkery, Savagery, White Supremacy' ~Mrs. Princella Clark-Carr



Video search terms: "Dysfunctional 'PRO BLACK' American Logic Succinctly Explained By Social Commentator Mr. David Carroll"



Peace.
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American *(Children)* Lives Matter; Take Pride In Parenting; *End Our National Epidemic of Child Abuse and Neglect*; End Community Violence, Police Anxiety & Educator's Frustrations

 

[harmonica]

there's not that much overt racism to stop
and not much concealed racism ''all over the place''

This is the common belief amongsts whites on the right.

MBrown--not racism
Starbucks-not racism
ASterling-not racism
most of the racism is in your obsessed mind

 

[John Shaw]

There is no "Stopping" racism. That's not human nature. That's not group think. If "whites" are not the dominant ones, some other group will be (probably Asians), and then whites will just become one of the "oppressed".

You can't stop racism because racism is human nature.

It's not human nature junior. It's an excuse.

Nope. See: white kids at majority black schools. Who do you think gets bullied for their skin color in that situation? Black kids even bully each other over slightly different shades of brown. It's hilarious.

People are scum. That's just the way it is.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

White privilege? So does she mean that Cowell enjoyed a special privilege to murder a black woman that this black guy did not have to murder a black woman?

What point are you trying to make ?

You can't be that dense. How is it white privilege for a white man to murder a black woman but not when a black man murders a black woman?

White privilege had nothing to do with this murder. It's just yet another asinine remark from yet another clueless celebrity based on no logic whatsoever.

Who said it was white privilege for a white man to murder a black woman but not when a black man murders a black woman?

Let me ask you a question: What does white privilege have to do with this murder?

 

[Asclepias]

White privilege? So does she mean that Cowell enjoyed a special privilege to murder a black woman that this black guy did not have to murder a black woman?

What point are you trying to make ?

You can't be that dense. How is it white privilege for a white man to murder a black woman but not when a black man murders a black woman?

White privilege had nothing to do with this murder. It's just yet another asinine remark from yet another clueless celebrity based on no logic whatsoever.

Who said it was white privilege for a white man to murder a black woman but not when a black man murders a black woman?

Let me ask you a question: What does white privilege have to do with this murder?

What does white privilege mean to you? I ask because we need to get the meaning established and because white people seem to have a difficult time accepting the definition unless they are aware of it.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

White privilege? So does she mean that Cowell enjoyed a special privilege to murder a black woman that this black guy did not have to murder a black woman?

What point are you trying to make ?

He's not trying to make a point. He is deflecting with some type of false equivalence.

It is a false UNequivalence. Two black women murdered, one by a white guy and the other by a black guy. The white guy murdered because of white privilege but the black guy murdered because of, well, it doesn't matter because there's nothing newsworthy or Twitterworthy about a black man murdering a black woman apparently.

Nope its a false equivalence. Your are assuming facts not in evidence as well. Youre assuming both killed for the same reasons.

Of course they didn't kill for the same reasons. Jesus. The point is that a black woman was murdered in cold blood in each case and yet the entire internet and Hollywood are in an uproar over the white murderer. Two black women are murdered and one is just as dead as the other but for some reason, racism seems to be the more heinous motive.

Apparently the means justify the end.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

White privilege? So does she mean that Cowell enjoyed a special privilege to murder a black woman that this black guy did not have to murder a black woman?

What point are you trying to make ?

You can't be that dense. How is it white privilege for a white man to murder a black woman but not when a black man murders a black woman?

White privilege had nothing to do with this murder. It's just yet another asinine remark from yet another clueless celebrity based on no logic whatsoever.

Who said it was white privilege for a white man to murder a black woman but not when a black man murders a black woman?

Let me ask you a question: What does white privilege have to do with this murder?

What does white privilege mean to you? I ask because we need to get the meaning established and because white people seem to have a difficult time accepting the definition unless they are aware of it.

I thought you guys already established that.

 

[Asclepias]

White privilege? So does she mean that Cowell enjoyed a special privilege to murder a black woman that this black guy did not have to murder a black woman?

What point are you trying to make ?

He's not trying to make a point. He is deflecting with some type of false equivalence.

It is a false UNequivalence. Two black women murdered, one by a white guy and the other by a black guy. The white guy murdered because of white privilege but the black guy murdered because of, well, it doesn't matter because there's nothing newsworthy or Twitterworthy about a black man murdering a black woman apparently.

Nope its a false equivalence. Your are assuming facts not in evidence as well. Youre assuming both killed for the same reasons.

Of course they didn't kill for the same reasons. Jesus. The point is that a black woman was murdered in cold blood in each case and yet the entire internet and Hollywood are in an uproar over the white murderer. Two black women are murdered and one is just as dead as the other but for some reason, racism seems to be the more heinous motive.

Apparently the means justify the end.

That may be the point to you which is probably why you are confused. Give you an example. Most white people die at the hands of other white people. Thats a given and true of every other race. A white guy kills a white woman and no one bats an eye. Now when a Black guy kills a white woman there is outrage and panic. Political careers are elevated or ended over the topic of being tough on crime because those people need to be controlled. Well its the same to us except we dont control the system so we cant send cops to crack heads in your neighborhood.

 

[Asclepias]

What point are you trying to make ?

You can't be that dense. How is it white privilege for a white man to murder a black woman but not when a black man murders a black woman?

White privilege had nothing to do with this murder. It's just yet another asinine remark from yet another clueless celebrity based on no logic whatsoever.

Who said it was white privilege for a white man to murder a black woman but not when a black man murders a black woman?

Let me ask you a question: What does white privilege have to do with this murder?

What does white privilege mean to you? I ask because we need to get the meaning established and because white people seem to have a difficult time accepting the definition unless they are aware of it.

I thought you guys already established that.

We have. I just want to know what it means to you?

 

[IM2]

There is no "Stopping" racism. That's not human nature. That's not group think. If "whites" are not the dominant ones, some other group will be (probably Asians), and then whites will just become one of the "oppressed".

You can't stop racism because racism is human nature.

It's not human nature junior. It's an excuse.

Nope. See: white kids at majority black schools. Who do you think gets bullied for their skin color in that situation? Black kids even bully each other over slightly different shades of brown. It's hilarious.

People are scum. That's just the way it is.

Junior, you have got to do better than his. You guys are always ready to try showing us what we do, yet you ignore racist laws and policies made by whites that have the greater impact on lives.. And apparently you have not studied psychology.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

What point are you trying to make ?

He's not trying to make a point. He is deflecting with some type of false equivalence.

It is a false UNequivalence. Two black women murdered, one by a white guy and the other by a black guy. The white guy murdered because of white privilege but the black guy murdered because of, well, it doesn't matter because there's nothing newsworthy or Twitterworthy about a black man murdering a black woman apparently.

Nope its a false equivalence. Your are assuming facts not in evidence as well. Youre assuming both killed for the same reasons.

Of course they didn't kill for the same reasons. Jesus. The point is that a black woman was murdered in cold blood in each case and yet the entire internet and Hollywood are in an uproar over the white murderer. Two black women are murdered and one is just as dead as the other but for some reason, racism seems to be the more heinous motive.

Apparently the means justify the end.

That may be the point to you which is probably why you are confused. Give you an example. Most white people die at the hands of other white people. Thats a given and true of every other race. A white guy kills a white woman and no one bats an eye. Now when a Black guy kills a white woman there is outrage and panic. Political careers are elevated or ended over the topic of being tough on crime because those people need to be controlled. Well its the same to us except we dont control the system so we cant send cops to crack heads in your neighborhood.

I shoulda figgered you'd find a way to make this about black victimhood.

 

[Ghost of a Rider]

You can't be that dense. How is it white privilege for a white man to murder a black woman but not when a black man murders a black woman?

White privilege had nothing to do with this murder. It's just yet another asinine remark from yet another clueless celebrity based on no logic whatsoever.

Who said it was white privilege for a white man to murder a black woman but not when a black man murders a black woman?

Let me ask you a question: What does white privilege have to do with this murder?

What does white privilege mean to you? I ask because we need to get the meaning established and because white people seem to have a difficult time accepting the definition unless they are aware of it.

I thought you guys already established that.

We have. I just want to know what it means to you?

What difference does it make what white privilege means to me if you guys are just going to continue flogging us with your version anyway?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Yes we do. We have a RESPONSIBILITY to stand up to racist motherfuckers like the OP and condemn them as the evil scum that they are.

Not just whites though, ALL decent people of any color have a responsibility to condemn racist fuckwads like the OP. Good people don't tolerate racism.