Which state is the most fucked up politically?

[Salt Jones]

Ok..We now know you are a left winger because to chose two of the least politically correct states in the US. SO be it. Move along to something new.
Why don't YOU answer your own question. That's what the OP was asking. Which the readers thought were most corrupt. List yours and the reasons why.

Ok... We now know you are a right winger, because you are uninformed and jump to conclusions with even trying to research the topic.

Texas and Arizona are in the same dire fiscal crisis as is California and I answered the OP's question on page one of this thread.

Remember, reading is fundamental.

Hey knee jerk. A financial crisis is not the same as corruption.
The OP's term "fucked up state" indicated to me that this is a thread about corruption in state government. If it isn't ,so be it.

Read up on the Arizona legislature and the Fiesta Bowl or private prison lobbyists. Read about Maricopa County Sheriff/County Attorney and wrongful arrests, misuse of funds, wrongful prosecutions and abuse of power. I was including corruption.

 

[DiamondDave]

But it is my child.. not yours... not the government's...


So if I want to teach them like they were Amish kids.. or let them ride a bike with no helmet.. or teach them that little people are to be laughed at while they play the song "Short People"... or let them lick the beaters on the electric mixer while it is still running... so be it

 

[Salt Jones]

But it is my child.. not yours... not the government's...


So if I want to teach them like they were Amish kids.. or let them ride a bike with no helmet.. or teach them that little people are to be laughed at while they play the song "Short People"... or let them lick the beaters on the electric mixer while it is still running... so be it

So be it.

I see you didn't mention letting them ride around unrestrained in the car.

 

[Dr.House]

1. California - The "Epic Fail" of US States
2. Illinois - Corruption and Fraud Capital of the World
3. New York - Trying to out-do Illinois

 

[Salt Jones]

1. California - The "Epic Fail" of US States
2. Illinois - Corruption and Fraud Capital of the World
3. New York - Trying to out-do Illinois

Ever lived in Louisiana?

 

[The Rabbi]

Without a doubt California.
They have instituted so many taxes and regulations and fees on their businesses that anyone who can is moving out of state, typically to Texas. If there is any doubt that CA is the most fucked up, one picture is worth 1k words:

After that Massachusetts with among the highest tax burdens in the country. Illinois is a contender, mainly because Chicago dictates policy to the rest of the state. I can't remember how many ex governers are or have been in jail.

But frankly any state that restricts firearms rights is a good candidate for worst.

 

[The Rabbi]

1. California - The "Epic Fail" of US States
2. Illinois - Corruption and Fraud Capital of the World
3. New York - Trying to out-do Illinois

Ever lived in Louisiana?

How many LA governors are in jail? I mean other than Edwards.

 

[Salt Jones]

1. California - The "Epic Fail" of US States
2. Illinois - Corruption and Fraud Capital of the World
3. New York - Trying to out-do Illinois

Ever lived in Louisiana?

How many LA governors are in jail? I mean other than Edwards.

Ever wonder where the money for the Louisiana State Levee Control board went prior to Katrina?

 

[The Rabbi]

Ever lived in Louisiana?

How many LA governors are in jail? I mean other than Edwards.

Ever wonder where the money for the Louisiana State Levee Control board went prior to Katrina?

WHy are you avoiding my question?

 

[Dr.House]

1. California - The "Epic Fail" of US States
2. Illinois - Corruption and Fraud Capital of the World
3. New York - Trying to out-do Illinois

Ever lived in Louisiana?

Nope...

 

[Salt Jones]

How many LA governors are in jail? I mean other than Edwards.

Ever wonder where the money for the Louisiana State Levee Control board went prior to Katrina?

WHy are you avoiding my question?

None. Why are you avoiding the question?

 

[Pepe]

Economically and politically the worst States are:

(1) Illinois - The entire State is one huge RICO Union/Mob run entity.

(2) California - Ungovernable and broke.

(3) New York - Another Union run entity that is rapidly failing.

(4) Michigan - Long past the Socialist "Point of no return."

(5) Vermont - Soon to be destitute as it enacts "Single Payer." Every person with a chronic illness will soon have a Vermont address. "If government wants more of something...the Mandarins subsidize the Program." Never fails.

 

[midcan5]

Coincidentally the link below answers the question at a high level.

Inner cities with little opportunity are the worst places; states are too big a place to make the political value judgement mean anything except personal bias and prejudice. From my own travels remote areas can be the craziest politically because a few manage the all. The south and Appalachia are among the most backward politically. Joe Bageant, a real hick, wrote a brilliant book on the small town mentality, 'Deer Hunting with Jesus.'

http://www.usmessageboard.com/scien...d-people-always-die-and-life-gets-faster.html

 

[The Rabbi]

Ever wonder where the money for the Louisiana State Levee Control board went prior to Katrina?

WHy are you avoiding my question?

None. Why are you avoiding the question?

I have no idea where the money went.
I know that while LA is pretty corrupt, Chicago and thus IL tend to give them a run for their money. I wouldn't want to be deciding which one was worse.

 

[Provocateur]

Instead of using ideology driven lists, why not use a more extensive list of qualifiers?
That said, I will use Forbes list of the best to the worse based on quality of life.
Forbes worse states are as follows:
1. West Virgina
2. Kentucky
3. Mississippi
4. Ohio
5. Arkansas
6. Indiana
7. Missouri
8. Oklahoma
9. Tennessee
10. Michigan

The Best States
1. Utah
2. Hawaii
3. Wyoming
4. Colorado
5. Minnesota
6. Maryland
7. Washington
8. Massachusetts
9. California
10. Arizona

America's Best States To Live - Forbes.com

Health lifestyles, healthy living?

How about the parameters of the OPs question actually be established.

If you are asking about politics, it seems one would look at waste in spending, duplication in agencies, state deficits, corruption, gerrymandering, nepotism, etc.

Just because people are happy doesn't mean that the political system is sound.

I have to disagree to a point but not your entire analysis.
I have lived in four states during my adult years, California, Washington, Wisconsin and Minnesota. I disliked living in Wisconsin because as you stated their bureaucracy drove me nuts and the state agencies sucked, therefore my quality of life wasn't as good as the other three states. You will note that Minnesota, California and Washington are all in the Top Ten. The states by their legislation made the quality of life better and contribute to health lifestyles/healthy living, education systems, air quality, crime control, roads/infrastructure etc; all the things that are important to a happy and satisfied life. And all are part of Forbes analysis. To me, it's where politician's put their priorities and the concept of state governments is to make their state a great place to live. That attracts not only new residents and keeps their current residents in the state, but it also attracts new businesses.
South Dakota is ranked 39th in quality of life and South Dakota has a very friendly business environment. BUT a major obstacle is not many people want to live there. Like Minnesota, South Dakota has cold and almost unbearable winters, yet Minnesota keeps growing and keeps it's residents because of it's quality of life. Minnesota has one of the finest health care environments in the country, people live longer, they are healthier, Minnesota has always been ranked in the top for it's education. South Dakota ranks high on "freedoms", but is low on quality of life per Forbes. The freedom index hasn't transferred into happiness for South Dakota residence.

2009-

Ranking 49th out of 50 states is an indication of the state’s deteriorating educational status in recent decades, according to “California at the Edge of a Cliff,” by Thomas G. Mortenson.

Facts are not on your side my friend.


Maybe people in CA are just happy because there is a lot of free shit, no?

 

[Salt Jones]

WHy are you avoiding my question?

None. Why are you avoiding the question?

I have no idea where the money went.
I know that while LA is pretty corrupt, Chicago and thus IL tend to give them a run for their money. I wouldn't want to be deciding which one was worse.

That's the point I was trying to make. Righties say California, but Texas, Arizona and Nevada are in as bad shape. Lefties say Texas, Wisconsin or Arizona and overlook California or New York. Our answers, just like the OP'S link are all political.

 

[The Rabbi]

None. Why are you avoiding the question?

I have no idea where the money went.
I know that while LA is pretty corrupt, Chicago and thus IL tend to give them a run for their money. I wouldn't want to be deciding which one was worse.

That's the point I was trying to make. Righties say California, but Texas, Arizona and Nevada are in as bad shape. Lefties say Texas, Wisconsin or Arizona and overlook California or New York. Our answers, just like the OP'S link are all political.

I didnt see Louisiana mentioned once in this post? Why is that?

The reason is that leftists value things like high gov't expenditures on failing schools, loads of regulations and taxes that "stick it" to business, and control over people's ability to defend themselves.
Conservatives value things like thrift and freedom.

 

[Provocateur]

None. Why are you avoiding the question?

I have no idea where the money went.
I know that while LA is pretty corrupt, Chicago and thus IL tend to give them a run for their money. I wouldn't want to be deciding which one was worse.

That's the point I was trying to make. Righties say California, but Texas, Arizona and Nevada are in as bad shape. Lefties say Texas, Wisconsin or Arizona and overlook California or New York. Our answers, just like the OP'S link are all political.

I guess you haven't heard about CA businesses and wealthy fleeing the state...for places like NV, TX, and AZ.





The million or so marching exodus, however, should not concern liberals, as the producers that have fled were replaced by leeches, and thus, strengthen their voting base.

 

[Salt Jones]

I have no idea where the money went.
I know that while LA is pretty corrupt, Chicago and thus IL tend to give them a run for their money. I wouldn't want to be deciding which one was worse.

That's the point I was trying to make. Righties say California, but Texas, Arizona and Nevada are in as bad shape. Lefties say Texas, Wisconsin or Arizona and overlook California or New York. Our answers, just like the OP'S link are all political.

I didnt see Louisiana mentioned once in this post? Why is that?

The reason is that leftists value things like high gov't expenditures on failing schools, loads of regulations and taxes that "stick it" to business, and control over people's ability to defend themselves.
Conservatives value things like thrift and freedom.

I put LA in the mix when someone posted ILL as being most corrupt. I asked if they ever lived in LA. Does Louisiana have "high gov't expenditures on failing schools, loads of regulations and taxes that "stick it" to business, and control over people's ability to defend themselves."? Mississippi wasn't mentioned either.

So the same conservatives who ran government from 2000-2006 and run the House today were thrifty?

Which "freedoms" do conservatives love?

 

[Salt Jones]

I have no idea where the money went.
I know that while LA is pretty corrupt, Chicago and thus IL tend to give them a run for their money. I wouldn't want to be deciding which one was worse.

That's the point I was trying to make. Righties say California, but Texas, Arizona and Nevada are in as bad shape. Lefties say Texas, Wisconsin or Arizona and overlook California or New York. Our answers, just like the OP'S link are all political.

I guess you haven't heard about CA businesses and wealthy fleeing the state...for places like NV, TX, and AZ.





The million or so marching exodus, however, should not concern liberals, as the producers that have fled were replaced by leeches, and thus, strengthen their voting base.

They must be Hispanic, because that's who drove the population increase here in Arizona.