When will an AI achieve the same intelligence as a human being?

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. They influence me... inspiration comes from within.

a programmer can influence too by giving the robot choices and then calling the outcome inspiration.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

and a human cant inspire itself to do something it isn't programmed to do!!

Sure they can... happens all the time. It's why we're not still living in caves.

and robots can be programmed not to want to live in caves too

 

[CultureCitizen]

. Running on two legs is something no robot can do right now.
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not true Boston Scientific demonstrated it 2 months ago. It could actually run in the woods and did so much the way a drunken human would.

That was more like jogging... but that's the idea : with every year computers and robots are becoming more and more apt, every year they become more capable to make chores without any assistance.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. Running on two legs is something no robot can do right now.
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not true Boston Scientific demonstrated it 2 months ago. It could actually run in the woods and did so much the way a drunken human would.

That was more like jogging... but that's the idea : with every year computers and robots are becoming more and more apt, every year they become more capable to make chores without any assistance.

and your point is????????? just wasting time??

 

[CultureCitizen]

Computers are just begining to be skillfull enough to drive, so I wouldn't say they have already surpassed human beings.
They are just starting to do correctly menial tasks like identifying an object or walking. Running on two legs is something no robot can do right now.
Those are some examples of how computers have not catched up with humans .... yet.

None of those things are constraints of the computer itself. It's engineering technology and compatibility with the computer but the computer is fully capable of the task. What's ironic is that the computers can actually assist in the engineering tasks. Computers will ultimately figure out how to make robots run on two legs. But computers will never be inspired to do this on their own or have the inspiration to apply the engineering practically... that takes a human mind... inspired by something greater than self.

This is what most people ( and this will include user blackrook ) get wrong about machine learning and artificial neural networks: they can be trainned to learn. Right now they can learn only within specialized realms : chess, go, driving, walking. But the realm of things they can learn expands every year. Today cpu and memory are still a limitation as brains are supposedly able to store and access 100 Tbytes of memory. The brain is still the most complex structure in the known universe.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

But the realm of things they can learn expands every year.

yes and we've had decades of it and nothing big from it yet. Still cant understand spoken english so we type just like 100 years ago.

 

[Boss]

. They influence me... inspiration comes from within.

a programmer can influence too by giving the robot choices and then calling the outcome inspiration.

You can call a ham sandwich inspiration... doesn't mean that's what it is. We seem to be having a breakdown in communication based on simple word definitions. If the programmer gives the computer choices, the computer is not inspired, the programmer is inspired. The computer is simply reacting to the inspiration of the programmer.

 

[Boss]

and a human cant inspire itself to do something it isn't programmed to do!!

Sure they can... happens all the time. It's why we're not still living in caves.

and robots can be programmed not to want to live in caves too

Shouldn't be hard to do since robots aren't alive.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Just the AI , not a fully functional robot + AI.

Why they post in the FZ and you think it's a Mal sock, that's when

 

[Boss]

Computers are just begining to be skillfull enough to drive, so I wouldn't say they have already surpassed human beings.
They are just starting to do correctly menial tasks like identifying an object or walking. Running on two legs is something no robot can do right now.
Those are some examples of how computers have not catched up with humans .... yet.

None of those things are constraints of the computer itself. It's engineering technology and compatibility with the computer but the computer is fully capable of the task. What's ironic is that the computers can actually assist in the engineering tasks. Computers will ultimately figure out how to make robots run on two legs. But computers will never be inspired to do this on their own or have the inspiration to apply the engineering practically... that takes a human mind... inspired by something greater than self.

This is what most people ( and this will include user blackrook ) get wrong about machine learning and artificial neural networks: they can be trainned to learn. Right now they can learn only within specialized realms : chess, go, driving, walking. But the realm of things they can learn expands every year. Today cpu and memory are still a limitation as brains are supposedly able to store and access 100 Tbytes of memory. The brain is still the most complex structure in the known universe.

The capacity to "learn" is only one small aspect of what makes a human a human. Monkeys and dogs can learn... mice and roaches can learn. The thing humans have that no other living creature seems to have is inspirational enlightenment from something greater than self. Something beyond our physical beings.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The computer is simply reacting to the inspiration of the programmer.

so? a child is simply reacting to the inspiration of his parents and culture. You don't seem to grasp that computers are becoming human, they are already designed to be friendly to us and to be companions.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

. The thing humans have that no other living creature seems to have is inspirational enlightenment from something greater than self. Something beyond our physical beings.

gibberish!! whatever we have is easily reduced to machine language

 

[Boss]

The computer is simply reacting to the inspiration of the programmer.

so? a child is simply reacting to the inspiration of his parents and culture. You don't seem to grasp that computers are becoming human, they are already designed to be friendly to us and to be companions.

No... A child is completely different than a computer because it has the capacity to be inspired by something other than it's parents, or culture, or society. You're indicating the very thing that I am explaining to you when you state that "they are already designed to" ....already designed to do something is not the same as being inspired. I have already said... going back to my very first post in this thread, that computers are designed to mimic human thought. They can do this faster and more efficiently than humans in most cases. For instance, it would be virtually impossible for man to fly a B-2 stealth bomber without the assistance of a computer. So as far as "intelligence" goes, computers already rival the human mind. What they don't have and won't ever have is the capacity to become inspired. They can be programmed to mimic inspiration... but that isn't the same thing.

It's interesting, in the futuristic movie, Interstellar, the ship is equipped with these robots to assist the crew... the captain asks one of the robots what is his current "honesty" setting and it replies... 98%. Why not 100%? Well, because it is reasoned that man can't handle 100% honesty. But the point is, the robot is programmed and responding based on the programmed settings input by man. The robot didn't reason that man can't handle 100% honesty therefore set it's honesty levels accordingly. A human determined this and programmed the robot.

 

[Boss]

. The thing humans have that no other living creature seems to have is inspirational enlightenment from something greater than self. Something beyond our physical beings.

gibberish!! whatever we have is easily reduced to machine language

No sir... not gibberish... that's just your flagrant anti-god bias speaking for you because you are afraid to admit your own spirituality out of fear it will make you religious. I feel sorry for you but it doesn't make you correct.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

you are afraid to admit your own spirituality out of fear it will make you religious..

a robot can profess to have spirituality just like a human and he can be made to feel lonely, or afraid of his impending doom just like a human. Now do you understand. You are not expressing spirituality so much as meglomania.

 

[Boss]

a robot can profess to have spirituality just like a human and he can be made to feel lonely, or afraid of his impending doom just like a human. Now do you understand. You are not expressing spirituality so much as meglomania.

Highlighted in red for your ignorance.

A robot is only capable of what it is made to do.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

A robot is only capable of what it is made to do.

humans too, and??????????

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

.. A child is completely different than a computer because it has the capacity to be inspired by something other than it's parents, or culture, or society. .

so, a robot can be programmed to be inspired by the generation of a string of random numbers or a billion other things. Now do you understand?

 

[dblack]

No... A child is completely different than a computer because it has the capacity to be inspired by something other than it's parents, or culture, or society. You're indicating the very thing that I am explaining to you when you state that "they are already designed to" ....already designed to do something is not the same as being inspired. I have already said... going back to my very first post in this thread, that computers are designed to mimic human thought. They can do this faster and more efficiently than humans in most cases. For instance, it would be virtually impossible for man to fly a B-2 stealth bomber without the assistance of a computer. So as far as "intelligence" goes, computers already rival the human mind. What they don't have and won't ever have is the capacity to become inspired. They can be programmed to mimic inspiration... but that isn't the same thing.

It's interesting, in the futuristic movie, Interstellar, the ship is equipped with these robots to assist the crew... the captain asks one of the robots what is his current "honesty" setting and it replies... 98%. Why not 100%? Well, because it is reasoned that man can't handle 100% honesty. But the point is, the robot is programmed and responding based on the programmed settings input by man. The robot didn't reason that man can't handle 100% honesty therefore set it's honesty levels accordingly. A human determined this and programmed the robot.

By "a capacity to become inspired", are you talking about volition? Or are you referring to something more spiritual?

 

[Wyatt earp]

Just the AI , not a fully functional robot + AI.

Well pong in the 70s did achieve the intelligence level of liberals.....

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