When Lefties pitch Socialism do they realize what decent people hear?

[Rustic]

Here’s what righty rubes hear:

“Duhhhhhh , “socialism” sounds like “communism “. My great grampa says communism is bad!!! Duhhhhhhh”

Quit Falling down the well...
Socialism is actually worse than communism, because it’s all about lies and deceit that there’s a free lunch for everybody

 

[Rustic]

Rustic, please comment on Post 76, in which OldLady said the following:

"Keeping the poor fed and marginally comfortable is not to be "nice." It's not communist, either. It's good social insurance against revolution."

Please comment, addressing that quote directly, thanks.

So under the threat of revolution one has to do with the collective says? That’s what I hear…

 

[Mac1958]

Rustic, please comment on Post 76, in which OldLady said the following:

"Keeping the poor fed and marginally comfortable is not to be "nice." It's not communist, either. It's good social insurance against revolution."

Please comment, addressing that quote directly, thanks.

So under the threat of revolution one has to do with the collective says? That’s what I hear…

Is that your response?
.

 

[Rustic]

It’s really tiring to try and argue with people who act like they’re morons. Maybe they really are?

If I take money from you and give it to somebody else, that’s called stealing. But when government does it…

Is the government stealing my money when they give it to schools? I have no children. My money is being given to others! Is that fair?

You wackos continue to struggle to make simple distinctions.
Look, society, collectively decided that an educated society benefits ALL...just as infrastructure, and defense benefits all...think basic reciprocation.
NOBODY good and sane thinks we all benefit by incentivizing / paying Guadalupe and Gustavo to flee their shithole, run their baby factories here, smoke weed and drink 40’s all day while we all go to work.
Think once Loons.

You imagine that scenario. If education benefits all, what is the objection to tuition free community colleges or trade schools?

If infrastructure benefits all, what is the objection to healthcare for all? Isn't Health as vital as a highway or bridge?

When all you see I see what you want to see, or have been told to see by pundits with agendas, all you can argue is the absurd, the canard, the hyperbolic. And what is good and sane about that?

Society has collectively decided that a FREE K-12 education is what they’re willing to pay for....everybody has to be weaned from mama’s tit at some point...Should we pay for masters degrees and PHD’s as well? Think once bud.

“If infrastructure benefits all, what is the objection to healthcare for all? Isn't Health as vital as a highway or bridge?”
NOPE....I use that bridge or highway, I don’t benefit from healthy litters of anchor babies at all.

Back to the drawing board you go....keep trying though.

You are so short sighted .

You don’t benefit from a healthy child being born ? You’d rather that kid be born with a permanent disability and be an expensive ward if of the state for 70 years ??

Socialism makes the whole collective stupid, and that’s what the collective wants… Because the collective is controlled by control freaks

 

[Rustic]

Rustic, please comment on Post 76, in which OldLady said the following:

"Keeping the poor fed and marginally comfortable is not to be "nice." It's not communist, either. It's good social insurance against revolution."

Please comment, addressing that quote directly, thanks.

So under the threat of revolution one has to do with the collective says? That’s what I hear…

Is that your response?
.

So you would rather have that inmates run the asylum?

 

[Mac1958]

Rustic, please comment on Post 76, in which OldLady said the following:

"Keeping the poor fed and marginally comfortable is not to be "nice." It's not communist, either. It's good social insurance against revolution."

Please comment, addressing that quote directly, thanks.

So under the threat of revolution one has to do with the collective says? That’s what I hear…

Is that your response?
.

So you would rather have that inmates run the asylum?

Just asked for your opinion. Your response has been fine, thanks.
.

 

[Rustic]

No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.

If they gave a shit about decent people they wouldn’t push socialist notions.

Yeah . Don’t you just hate the VA? Lazy ass ex military folks need to get their own insurance like the rest of us!

Quit falling down the well, insurance is not healthcare… Get your head out of your ass

 

[Rustic]

W

You wackos continue to struggle to make simple distinctions.
Look, society, collectively decided that an educated society benefits ALL...just as infrastructure, and defense benefits all...think basic reciprocation.
NOBODY good and sane thinks we all benefit by incentivizing / paying Guadalupe and Gustavo to flee their shithole, run their baby factories here, smoke weed and drink 40’s all day while we all go to work.
Think once Loons.

You imagine that scenario. If education benefits all, what is the objection to tuition free community colleges or trade schools?

If infrastructure benefits all, what is the objection to healthcare for all? Isn't Health as vital as a highway or bridge?

When all you see I see what you want to see, or have been told to see by pundits with agendas, all you can argue is the absurd, the canard, the hyperbolic. And what is good and sane about that?

Society has collectively decided that a FREE K-12 education is what they’re willing to pay for....everybody has to be weaned from mama’s tit at some point...Should we pay for masters degrees and PHD’s as well? Think once bud.

“If infrastructure benefits all, what is the objection to healthcare for all? Isn't Health as vital as a highway or bridge?”
NOPE....I use that bridge or highway, I don’t benefit from healthy litters of anchor babies at all.

Back to the drawing board you go....keep trying though.

At one point even high school was seen as a luxury. Then we developed factories and merchantile establishments and suddenly, high school was seen as a necessity.

What happens when information technology becomes the driving force in our economy? Do you think having an education system built to service and industrial economy will still be adequate?

You want to make us all afraid of immigrants. Let's set that aside. Why would it be a better society if some folks cannot visit a doctor for preventative care? What makes it a better society if some folks cannot afford medical insurance? Why should some folks who work hard every day be denied access to good health?

“You want to make us all afraid of immigrants.”
Well, If you want more free shit for yourself shouldn’t you be “afraid” of ILLEGAL immigrants sharing in said free shit....or do you honestly believe the free shit is infinite?

ould you deny the benefits to American citizens because undocumented immigrants might, MIGHT just get the benefits too?

It's like saying I can't have a steak because a toddler might accidentally take a bite.

Are immigrants the Master Boogeyman in all things? Are they responsible for all the nation's problems? For your problems? Are they truly responsible, or the most convenient whipping boy at hand? They aren't white. They speak a different language. They're easy to kick around. And boors, bullies and the uninformed love something to kick.

“Free shit” always costs somebody… Dumbass

 

[Norman]

Rustic, please comment on Post 76, in which OldLady said the following:

"Keeping the poor fed and marginally comfortable is not to be "nice." It's not communist, either. It's good social insurance against revolution."

Please comment, addressing that quote directly, thanks.

So under the threat of revolution one has to do with the collective says? That’s what I hear…

Is that your response?
.

You really believe that people who are too dumb to secure steady source of food in a nation where obesity is the biggest health problem, are capable of revolution? I am very afraid of their super soakers...

Usually it's the strong that do revolutions, the ones who are tired of their money feeding a bunch of dead weight. The ones with closets filled with AR-15s. Why should those people be happy to throw 40% of their income away again? Let them keep their money and we won't have a revolution.

 

[Rustic]

There is no way in shit-flying hell that we will accept democratic socialism in America without a full-blown armed rebellion.

'Citizens have rights to cough their lungs up.'

LOL

Did the collective to tell you to say that?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Like I said, a dopey narrative.

So, they are NOT demanding other people's shit?

You're a ******* liar.

You could just post an example rather than continue pushing your nonsense.

You listen to too much Clinton network news

You offer nothing but tired, retarded narratives.

Lol
Says the guy that says socialism will work “this time”…

I never said that, dope.

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.

It's not a matter of being good,and decent. In fact, to imply as much casts the opposite on those who espouse democratic,socialism.

It's not their alleged goodness and decency that prevents them from doing jderstanding democratic socialism. In fact, plenty of good,and decent people would fight to hold on to the democratic socialism they enjoy, namely Social Security and Medicare.

What keeps them from understanding democratic socialism is their ignorance about what it actually means. Couple that ignorance with a steady diet of propaganda, and their understanding is even more entrenched.

If only reputable pundits were honest with these people,,we wouldn't be arguing points but honestly discussing them.

I am quite sure that, if asked in an unbiased manner, many people would agree that the kind of healthcare system enjoyed in every other industrialized nation would show real benefits here. Canada has universal healthcare, but the Canadian example is never proffered by biased pundits. Instead, they rant about Cuba, Venezuela and China. Are the Canadians as oppressed as the Venezuelans? Are the British as poor as the Cubans? Is there the same degree of freedom in Japan as there is in China?

Many would agree, if asked in an unbiased way, that community college or trade schools should be free of tuition so some may transfer those credits to other colleges or universities or begin a career in a trade. The cost of education is prohibitive now. But we all know that an educated population, a skilled population is vastly more competitive than populations with fewer educated and skilled citizens to fill a work force.

Just blaring the evils of socialism,without explaining the long term benefits hamstrings the discussion at best, and robs America of the potential,of its citizens at worst.

That’s your spin huh...you sticking with that?
I think we all know most don’t have a problem taking care of our elderly whom have paid their dues.
Why don’t you go ahead and try again.

That is sort of the model that Social Security and Medicare has been based on since it started -- and even when it started, the same fear-mongering took place -- it didn't stop these 2 programs from being the 2 most successful and popular programs in history -- it doesn't stop so-called conservatives from holding up signs saying "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!!"

When republicans can offer better alternatives that garner a majority of public support, they wont have to try so hard to demonize the program that is working.

 

[Rustic]

Keeping the poor fed and marginally comfortable is not to be "nice." It's not communist, either. It's good social insurance against revolution.

Holy shit, and that ******* nails it. Consider that line stolen. Often.

The libertarian Right simply doesn't, or won't, or can't, seem to grasp this.
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Sounds like globalism to me… No thanks

 

[Seawytch]

Um....

Majority Want Government to Ensure Healthcare Coverage

Two-Thirds of Americans Support Free College Tuition

You’re missing the point, who pays for the shit? Why force people into a world of piss and shit that want nothing to do with socialism?

Socialism was worth a shit you would not have to force people into the shit...

Well golly gee willakers....why not just make taxes voluntary and let people decide where they want their tax dollars to go then! I wouldn't have to fund things I don't want to. What a brilliant idea! You're a regular stable genius!

You do realize there is no such thing as a free ride? Forcing socialism on people suits nobody in the long run... There is a reason why socialism is the incubator for dictatorship

Nobody expects a "free ride". The American people want their tax dollars to support these things. That's not forcing, that's democracy. You happily support the military, police and firemen that protect all equally despite their individual ability to pay taxes, why is education and healthcare different in your eyes?

 

[Rustic]

So, they are NOT demanding other people's shit?

You're a ******* liar.

You could just post an example rather than continue pushing your nonsense.

You listen to too much Clinton network news

You offer nothing but tired, retarded narratives.

Lol
Says the guy that says socialism will work “this time”…

I never said that, dope.

Actually you say it all the time, do you want to force people into the collective…?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

You could just post an example rather than continue pushing your nonsense.

You listen to too much Clinton network news

You offer nothing but tired, retarded narratives.

Lol
Says the guy that says socialism will work “this time”…

I never said that, dope.

Actually you say it all the time, do you want to force people into the collective…?

Nope.

 

[Rustic]

No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.

It's not a matter of being good,and decent. In fact, to imply as much casts the opposite on those who espouse democratic,socialism.

It's not their alleged goodness and decency that prevents them from doing jderstanding democratic socialism. In fact, plenty of good,and decent people would fight to hold on to the democratic socialism they enjoy, namely Social Security and Medicare.

What keeps them from understanding democratic socialism is their ignorance about what it actually means. Couple that ignorance with a steady diet of propaganda, and their understanding is even more entrenched.

If only reputable pundits were honest with these people,,we wouldn't be arguing points but honestly discussing them.

I am quite sure that, if asked in an unbiased manner, many people would agree that the kind of healthcare system enjoyed in every other industrialized nation would show real benefits here. Canada has universal healthcare, but the Canadian example is never proffered by biased pundits. Instead, they rant about Cuba, Venezuela and China. Are the Canadians as oppressed as the Venezuelans? Are the British as poor as the Cubans? Is there the same degree of freedom in Japan as there is in China?

Many would agree, if asked in an unbiased way, that community college or trade schools should be free of tuition so some may transfer those credits to other colleges or universities or begin a career in a trade. The cost of education is prohibitive now. But we all know that an educated population, a skilled population is vastly more competitive than populations with fewer educated and skilled citizens to fill a work force.

Just blaring the evils of socialism,without explaining the long term benefits hamstrings the discussion at best, and robs America of the potential,of its citizens at worst.

That’s your spin huh...you sticking with that?
I think we all know most don’t have a problem taking care of our elderly whom have paid their dues.
Why don’t you go ahead and try again.

That is sort of the model that Social Security and Medicare has been based on since it started -- and even when it started, the same fear-mongering took place -- it didn't stop these 2 programs from being the 2 most successful and popular programs in history -- it doesn't stop so-called conservatives from holding up signs saying "Keep your government hands off my Medicare!!"

When republicans can offer better alternatives that garner a majority of public support, they wont have to try so hard to demonize the program that is working.

Social Security and Medicare are socialist entitlement programs...
And currently far more people are taking far more out... far less people are putting far less in... every year.
That is socialism in a nut shell...

You can’t make something out of nothing… That being socialism

 

[dblack]

No matter how it’s cleverly spun or packaged ALL decent people hear it the same way.
“Provide me with shit that other people pay for...I’m entitled to free shit because I stand on U.S. soil.”
Do they realize NOBODY good and decent is shameless enough to make these types of requests?
I’m hoping the pitchmasters such as Mac1958 will weigh in here.

Do Righties realize how it sounds when they ***** about "welfare moms" but have no problem with corporate bailouts?

Do they realize how it looks when they stand by private businesses who discriminate against gays, but they whine to the government when Facebook discriminates against them?

The unfortunate fact is that the ideological differences between the two major parties are few. They both favor big government control over society. They just have different targets in mind.

 

[Rustic]

Um....

Majority Want Government to Ensure Healthcare Coverage

Two-Thirds of Americans Support Free College Tuition

You’re missing the point, who pays for the shit? Why force people into a world of piss and shit that want nothing to do with socialism?

Socialism was worth a shit you would not have to force people into the shit...

Well golly gee willakers....why not just make taxes voluntary and let people decide where they want their tax dollars to go then! I wouldn't have to fund things I don't want to. What a brilliant idea! You're a regular stable genius!

You do realize there is no such thing as a free ride? Forcing socialism on people suits nobody in the long run... There is a reason why socialism is the incubator for dictatorship

Nobody expects a "free ride". The American people want their tax dollars to support these things. That's not forcing, that's democracy. You happily support the military, police and firemen that protect all equally despite their individual ability to pay taxes, why is education and healthcare different in your eyes?

This is supposed to be a republic not a shit eating democracy…
Things like income tax punish the successful, socialist entitlement programs like Social Security and Medicare are a drag on society because of their failure and shortsightedness.
Getting along is way overrated, and giving people so-called “free shit” solves nothing...
Bribing the dumb is the mission of a control freaks... That is the platform socialism stands on.

 

[Rustic]

You listen to too much Clinton network news

You offer nothing but tired, retarded narratives.

Lol
Says the guy that says socialism will work “this time”…

I never said that, dope.

Actually you say it all the time, do you want to force people into the collective…?

Nope.

Socialism is all about forcing people into the collective/village