What the science says

[jc456]

We're basing scientific discussions on what your nerve endings can detect?
yep!

What stops it?
Temperature

A temperature force field blocks IR, preventing it from traveling down to the ice?

nature does.

How does nature prevent IR from traveling down to the ice?

it should be tested for that answer.

Yes, you should run some tests to show that IR is magically blocked from going in certain directions.
You'll be famous!

In the meantime, downward IR from the atmosphere to the warmer ground, at night, shows the greenhouse effect is real.

why me, I'm happy that nature does its thing. you're arguing it has some magical powers, prove the magic. ahhhh cause little grasshopper, you can't. now throw the math equations up, hahahhahaahahahahahaha

 

[SSDD]

SSDD is simply dragging us into deep water.

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Complacency, consensus...and being wrong are what happens in shallow water.

 

[Crick]

Interesting factoid. A candle won't burn without gravity to remove the heated air and replace it with fresh.

I think there is even a utube video demonstrating the effect in one of those high speed elevators going down under a fraction of g.

A balloon floating in the back of an empty truck will move forward when the truck accelerates. The acceleration pushes the air towards the rear of the truck and creates a pressure gradient that drives the balloon forward.

 

[Crick]

there you go saying IR is heat again.

Nope. You'll notice I didn't use the word heat in that post.

Your thinking is so muddled, your questions are pointless.
IR from the flame goes in all directions. Do you deny that?

If you'd like to talk about where hot air that touches the flame moves, that's a completely different question.

Be precise, for once, please.

heat goes to cool so it only goes that direction

If I light a match an inch above an ice cube, the heat only travels down?

If I light a match an inch above an ice cube, the heat only travels down?

nope, heat rises, the ice underneath will eventually melt due to not being in a freezer. And the IR doesn't hit it either.

heat rises

Something you won't...can't...define, rises?

How do you know?

the ice underneath will eventually melt due to not being in a freezer.

It is in a freezer.

And the IR doesn't hit it either

IR won't hit the ice below the match? Why?

Does the ice have a force field?

Something you won't...can't...define, rises?
defined once, not again. use search in the application.

How do you know?

I feel it.

It is in a freezer.
well then it will remain as ice and your hand will get cold.

IR won't hit the ice below the match? Why?
since it is in a freezer, the IR will go nowhere.

I feel it.

We're basing scientific discussions on what your nerve endings can detect?

since it is in a freezer, the IR will go nowhere

What stops it?

Hahahaha, you might as well be trying to explain things to your dog.

Maybe that is unfair to dogs. Make it a fish. Hahahaha

jc, I hope you realize that in that you appear to be equating yourself with a dog

 

[jc456]

If I light a match an inch above an ice cube, the heat only travels down?

nope, heat rises, the ice underneath will eventually melt due to not being in a freezer. And the IR doesn't hit it either.

heat rises

Something you won't...can't...define, rises?

How do you know?

the ice underneath will eventually melt due to not being in a freezer.

It is in a freezer.

And the IR doesn't hit it either

IR won't hit the ice below the match? Why?

Does the ice have a force field?

Something you won't...can't...define, rises?
defined once, not again. use search in the application.

How do you know?

I feel it.

It is in a freezer.
well then it will remain as ice and your hand will get cold.

IR won't hit the ice below the match? Why?
since it is in a freezer, the IR will go nowhere.

I feel it.

We're basing scientific discussions on what your nerve endings can detect?

since it is in a freezer, the IR will go nowhere

What stops it?

Hahahaha, you might as well be trying to explain things to your dog.

Maybe that is unfair to dogs. Make it a fish. Hahahaha

jc, I hope you realize that in that you appear to be equating yourself with a dog

it is the sacrifice one has to make. Since CO2 can't warm anything, I guess being with man's best friend is a good place to be.

 

[SSDD]

it is the sacrifice one has to make. Since CO2 can't warm anything, I guess being with man's best friend is a good place to be.

Dogs are more honest...and frankly, much better people than members of the wacko warmer cult....

Only someone with a terribly broken character would think that being compared to a dog is a bad thing...

 

[Crick]

Man, glad you two at least got each other.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Man, glad you two at least got each other.

Combined, they still don't have 100 IQ points.

 

[IanC]

Man, glad you two at least got each other.

Combined, they still don't have 100 IQ points.

Think so? JC is probably on the wrong side of the curve but SSDD is just wrong.

 

[SSDD]

Man, glad you two at least got each other.

Combined, they still don't have 100 IQ points.

Think so? JC is probably on the wrong side of the curve but SSDD is just wrong.

Sop you say...but every observation ever made supports my argument while all you have is unobservable, untestable, unmeasurable mathematical models.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Man, glad you two at least got each other.

Combined, they still don't have 100 IQ points.

Think so? JC is probably on the wrong side of the curve but SSDD is just wrong.

Sop you say...but every observation ever made supports my argument while all you have is unobservable, untestable, unmeasurable mathematical models.

Tell us again how matter stops emitting if it's near matter of the same temperature.

 

[SSDD]

Man, glad you two at least got each other.

Combined, they still don't have 100 IQ points.

Think so? JC is probably on the wrong side of the curve but SSDD is just wrong.

Sop you say...but every observation ever made supports my argument while all you have is unobservable, untestable, unmeasurable mathematical models.

Tell us again how matter stops emitting if it's near matter of the same temperature.

No need...The SB equations speak for me.

Write out the equation....set T and Tc to the same number...what then does P equal....(hint) zero...and it is supported by every observation ever made...whether you believe your eyes or not......Two way energy exchange has never been observed or measured...it only exists within mathematical models...not out here in the real world.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Man, glad you two at least got each other.

Combined, they still don't have 100 IQ points.

Think so? JC is probably on the wrong side of the curve but SSDD is just wrong.

Sop you say...but every observation ever made supports my argument while all you have is unobservable, untestable, unmeasurable mathematical models.

Tell us again how matter stops emitting if it's near matter of the same temperature.

No need...The SB equations speak for me.

Write out the equation....set T and Tc to the same number...what then does P equal....(hint) zero...and it is supported by every observation ever made...whether you believe your eyes or not......Two way energy exchange has never been observed or measured...it only exists within mathematical models...not out here in the real world.

set T and Tc to the same number...what then does P equal....

That would give the result of net power loss = zero.

and it is supported by every observation ever made

Really? Every observation ever made shows matter above 0K ceasing to emit when something the same temperature, or warmer, is nearby?

I'm curious about the mechanism that makes that "off switch" work.
Do both objects measure the temperature of the other? If so, how?

For 2 identical objects of slightly different temperatures,
it's understandable that the receiving object can "check the temperature" of the emitter,
based on the energy it receives, but how does the emitter know the temperature of the receiver?
You know, since the cooler receiver never emits.
And the warmer object would need to know the temperature of the cooler object, to know the precise moment
it needs to stop emitting, right?

How does it know? Spell it out.

 

[IanC]

Again....

Temperature is a characteristic of a group of particles, not individual particles.

Radiation is created by individual particles depending on the internal conditions within that particle.

There is no tag that can be read that defines a particle's temperature because an individual particle has no temperature, only groups do and they are made up of variable speeds, of which the average is considered the temperature.

SSDD'S theory has no mechanisms to explain it. He conflates the rules for groups as prohibition for individual interactions. He confuses the properties of matter with the properties of light. He is wrong on multiple issues and refuses to defend or even acknowledge the inconsistencies that are pointed out to him.

 

[SSDD]

Again....

Temperature is a characteristic of a group of particles, not individual particles.

Radiation is created by individual particles depending on the internal conditions within that particle.

There is no tag that can be read that defines a particle's temperature because an individual particle has no temperature, only groups do and they are made up of variable speeds, of which the average is considered the temperature.

SSDD'S theory has no mechanisms to explain it. He conflates the rules for groups as prohibition for individual interactions. He confuses the properties of matter with the properties of light. He is wrong on multiple issues and refuses to defend or even acknowledge the inconsistencies that are pointed out to him.

Energy only moves from warm to cool...this is born out by every observation and measurement ever made....and the fact thatI can't describe or name a mechanism means nothing...you can't describe or name the mechanism that causes gravity...but it exists none the less and everything in the universe is effected by it.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Again....

Temperature is a characteristic of a group of particles, not individual particles.

Radiation is created by individual particles depending on the internal conditions within that particle.

There is no tag that can be read that defines a particle's temperature because an individual particle has no temperature, only groups do and they are made up of variable speeds, of which the average is considered the temperature.

SSDD'S theory has no mechanisms to explain it. He conflates the rules for groups as prohibition for individual interactions. He confuses the properties of matter with the properties of light. He is wrong on multiple issues and refuses to defend or even acknowledge the inconsistencies that are pointed out to him.

Energy only moves from warm to cool...this is born out by every observation and measurement ever made....and the fact thatI can't describe or name a mechanism means nothing...you can't describe or name the mechanism that causes gravity...but it exists none the less and everything in the universe is effected by it.

Energy only moves from warm to cool

Repeating your confusion doesn't make it true.

 

[SSDD]

Again....

Temperature is a characteristic of a group of particles, not individual particles.

Radiation is created by individual particles depending on the internal conditions within that particle.

There is no tag that can be read that defines a particle's temperature because an individual particle has no temperature, only groups do and they are made up of variable speeds, of which the average is considered the temperature.

SSDD'S theory has no mechanisms to explain it. He conflates the rules for groups as prohibition for individual interactions. He confuses the properties of matter with the properties of light. He is wrong on multiple issues and refuses to defend or even acknowledge the inconsistencies that are pointed out to him.

Energy only moves from warm to cool...this is born out by every observation and measurement ever made....and the fact thatI can't describe or name a mechanism means nothing...you can't describe or name the mechanism that causes gravity...but it exists none the less and everything in the universe is effected by it.

Energy only moves from warm to cool

Repeating your confusion doesn't make it true.

Let me know when they change the wording of the second law of thermodynamics to reflect your beliefs....

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object

 

[IanC]

Again....

Temperature is a characteristic of a group of particles, not individual particles.

Radiation is created by individual particles depending on the internal conditions within that particle.

There is no tag that can be read that defines a particle's temperature because an individual particle has no temperature, only groups do and they are made up of variable speeds, of which the average is considered the temperature.

SSDD'S theory has no mechanisms to explain it. He conflates the rules for groups as prohibition for individual interactions. He confuses the properties of matter with the properties of light. He is wrong on multiple issues and refuses to defend or even acknowledge the inconsistencies that are pointed out to him.

Energy only moves from warm to cool...this is born out by every observation and measurement ever made....and the fact thatI can't describe or name a mechanism means nothing...you can't describe or name the mechanism that causes gravity...but it exists none the less and everything in the universe is effected by it.

Energy in the form of radiation is moving in all directions, all the time. Heat, a net exchange of energy only moves from warm to cool. Two objects at the same temperature are still radiating at each other but there is no net change, no movement of heat.

 

[SSDD]

Again....

Temperature is a characteristic of a group of particles, not individual particles.

Radiation is created by individual particles depending on the internal conditions within that particle.

There is no tag that can be read that defines a particle's temperature because an individual particle has no temperature, only groups do and they are made up of variable speeds, of which the average is considered the temperature.

SSDD'S theory has no mechanisms to explain it. He conflates the rules for groups as prohibition for individual interactions. He confuses the properties of matter with the properties of light. He is wrong on multiple issues and refuses to defend or even acknowledge the inconsistencies that are pointed out to him.

Energy only moves from warm to cool...this is born out by every observation and measurement ever made....and the fact thatI can't describe or name a mechanism means nothing...you can't describe or name the mechanism that causes gravity...but it exists none the less and everything in the universe is effected by it.

Energy in the form of radiation is moving in all directions, all the time. Heat, a net exchange of energy only moves from warm to cool. Two objects at the same temperature are still radiating at each other but there is no net change, no movement of heat.

Ler me know when they alter the wording of the law to reflect what you believe as well...I have looked all over and in none of the actual statements of the law do they mention net anything...that would probably be because net energy exchange between to objects of different temperatures has never been observed...just doesn't happen...but yes...I know that you believe it does...based on an unobservable, unmeasurable, untestable mathematical model...got it. When they change the 2nd law of thermodynamics to reflect what you believe...let me know.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Again....

Temperature is a characteristic of a group of particles, not individual particles.

Radiation is created by individual particles depending on the internal conditions within that particle.

There is no tag that can be read that defines a particle's temperature because an individual particle has no temperature, only groups do and they are made up of variable speeds, of which the average is considered the temperature.

SSDD'S theory has no mechanisms to explain it. He conflates the rules for groups as prohibition for individual interactions. He confuses the properties of matter with the properties of light. He is wrong on multiple issues and refuses to defend or even acknowledge the inconsistencies that are pointed out to him.

Energy only moves from warm to cool...this is born out by every observation and measurement ever made....and the fact thatI can't describe or name a mechanism means nothing...you can't describe or name the mechanism that causes gravity...but it exists none the less and everything in the universe is effected by it.

Energy only moves from warm to cool

Repeating your confusion doesn't make it true.

Let me know when they change the wording of the second law of thermodynamics to reflect your beliefs....

Second Law of Thermodynamics: It is not possible for heat to flow from a colder body to a warmer body without any work having been done to accomplish this flow. Energy will not flow spontaneously from a low temperature object to a higher temperature object

Let me know when they change the wording of the second law of thermodynamics to reflect your beliefs....

Let me know when they change the wording of the second law of thermodynamics to say photons won't move from a colder body to a warmer body.