What "rights" does nature give us?

[Koios]

Completely irrelevant to the topic.

Next.

Yes; as next Righty Retard to chime in. Good to have you Oddie.

Still nothing germane to the topic.

Not even a good troll either.

Dismissed.

You wish, dumbfuck.

How about this: make an OT assertion and I'll slap your ***** ass down with ease. Bring it, moron.

 

[Dante]

and when Koios mentioned the evolution of the universe it was not in the sense of it being a biological entity explained by the theory of evolution. a complex sentence or thought seems to throw you into bizzaro land
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you have a history of a difficult time with reading and comprehension skills

When Koi mentioned evolution it was in response to your idiotic claim that the Theory of Evolution is fact. He then tried to tie the Theory of Evolution in with the Big Bang by saying that progress is evolution, which is absurd.

Progression. Not progress. My apologies for not clarifying, which I should since you're so far above me, intellectually.

very good

 

[Oddball]

Yes; as next Righty Retard to chime in. Good to have you Oddie.

Still nothing germane to the topic.

Not even a good troll either.

Dismissed.

You wish, dumbfuck.

How about this: make an OT assertion and I'll slap your ***** ass down with ease. Bring it, moron.

Blow me, trolling commie fuckchop.

 

[Koios]

Still nothing germane to the topic.

Not even a good troll either.

Dismissed.

You wish, dumbfuck.

How about this: make an OT assertion and I'll slap your ***** ass down with ease. Bring it, moron.

Blow me, trolling commie fuckchop.

You got nothin', chump? Not one little modicum of a thought, of any kind?

Well knock me over with a feather.

 

[Dante]

No more abstract than life is.

The thing is you will wear people down with some imbecilic lesson you most likely learned in school. You will take almost any thread with a mention of science and turn it into a QW show where you point out where people do not understand the scientific method or some such idiocy.

It gets boring. You do it all the time. People mention 'shit' and you bring it to your bullshit game. Mention nature and rights as in natural rights and off you go bending a discussion to the same old QW mind **** where you imagine you're some kind of a Galileo battling the dogmatic heathens.

Do you ever make yourself sick?

You should read about how Galileo

Unlike you, who never make a thread about anything other than the actual subject.

one word: Galileo

 

[Oddball]

You wish, dumbfuck.

How about this: make an OT assertion and I'll slap your ***** ass down with ease. Bring it, moron.

Blow me, trolling commie fuckchop.

You got nothin', chump? Not one little modicum of a thought, of any kind?

Well knock me over with a feather.

Your rambling trolling derail about McCarthy screamed "I got nothing".

Go play out on the freeway.

 

[Koios]

So you believe that if you are born into slavery then your natural birthright to be free does not exist?

No. I think freedom is a construct of polities, and that it varies by country.

That is honestly a pathetically warped way of thinking with all due respect. So its all about birth luck not a natural birthright in your opinion? People are not entitled to be free simply by being born in your opinion?

Do you realize that your line of thinking about the origination of our freedoms actually replaces God or a Creator or a higher being with government?

You must dismiss this then:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. – That to secure these rights Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, – That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it…”



If you will answer the following:



The powers of the consent come from...?

​

Yes indeed. Let's say you're a child of Bill and Melinda Gates; then imagine what freedoms you might have, such as great legal help if by chance caught with some dope, or school choice or where on the planet you'll summer this year.

Then contrast that with being a kid born in Somalia.

Have a ball, on your mental exercise.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That's a smidge tedious, and has been since that Republican ********** Joe McCarthy died in a psych-ward.

While I enjoy the parade of malapropisms you offer, perhaps understanding the words you type would provide you a tad more credibility.

te·di·ous
/ˈtēdēəs/
Adjective
Too long, slow, or dull: tiresome or monotonous: "a tedious journey".

Bear in mind, he (Tailgunner Joe) called General George Marshall (then Secretary Marshall) and others in the Truman Admin, "pink."

I doubt it.

There is very little that you little Goebbels of the left would not smear McCarthy with.

Owen Lattimore - Yep, he was a Soviet Spy - confirmed by the Kremlin in 1990

When the Venona files were declassified in 1995, the fact came out that virtually EVERYTHING McCarthy claimed was actual fact. Undeniable, irrefutable - yet here you lie...

But you don't care, you're a demagogue seeking to slander and libel the enemy. Such is the left.

McCarthy was right, the democratic party does seek to establish a socialist dictatorship.

 

[Koios]

Blow me, trolling commie fuckchop.

You got nothin', chump? Not one little modicum of a thought, of any kind?

Well knock me over with a feather.

Your rambling trolling derail about McCarthy screamed "I got nothing".

Go play out on the freeway.

What??? You missed the point??? ******* shocker.

Some righty asshold reaches for the refuge of retards: commie card.

Then I ***** slap it into oblivion, with actual content you cannot even imagine being able to challenge. So you reach for the refuge of really, really retarded ******* vegetables:

Yure off topic, dude. Ewwww; you're dumb. Dismissed. (Like you could on a good day, on the off chance you ever have one.)

 

[Oddball]

You got nothin', chump? Not one little modicum of a thought, of any kind?

Well knock me over with a feather.

Your rambling trolling derail about McCarthy screamed "I got nothing".

Go play out on the freeway.

What??? You missed the point??? ******* shocker.

Some righty asshold reaches for the refuge of retards: commie card.

Then I ***** slap it into oblivion, with actual content you cannot even imagine being able to challenge. So you reach for the refuge of really, really retarded ******* vegetables:

Yure off topic, dude. Ewwww; you're dumb. Dismissed. (Like you could on a good day, on the off chance you ever have one.)

I missed nothing....You're a demagogic, trolling commie freak.

Now go play with your People's Cube.

 

[Koios]

That's a smidge tedious, and has been since that Republican ********** Joe McCarthy died in a psych-ward.

While I enjoy the parade of malapropisms you offer, perhaps understanding the words you type would provide you a tad more credibility.

te·di·ous
/ˈtēdēəs/
Adjective
Too long, slow, or dull: tiresome or monotonous: "a tedious journey".

Bear in mind, he (Tailgunner Joe) called General George Marshall (then Secretary Marshall) and others in the Truman Admin, "pink."

I doubt it.

There is very little that you little Goebbels of the left would not smear McCarthy with.

Owen Lattimore - Yep, he was a Soviet Spy - confirmed by the Kremlin in 1990

When the Venona files were declassified in 1995, the fact came out that virtually EVERYTHING McCarthy claimed was actual fact. Undeniable, irrefutable - yet here you lie...

But you don't care, you're a demagogue seeking to slander and libel the enemy. Such is the left.

McCarthy was right, the democratic party does seek to establish a socialist dictatorship.

A smidge slow on the uptake, to the tune of 50+ years? (McCarhty was borderline insane and a clusterfuck)

No surprise, in your case.

 

[Dreamy]

No. I think freedom is a construct of polities, and that it varies by country.

That is honestly a pathetically warped way of thinking with all due respect. So its all about birth luck not a natural birthright in your opinion? People are not entitled to be free simply by being born in your opinion?

Do you realize that your line of thinking about the origination of our freedoms actually replaces God or a Creator or a higher being with government?

You must dismiss this then:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. – That to secure these rights Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, – That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it…”



If you will answer the following:



The powers of the consent come from...?

​

Yes indeed. Let's say you're a child of Bill and Melinda Gates; then imagine what freedoms you might have, such as great legal help if by chance caught with some dope, or school choice or where on the planet you'll summer this year.

Then contrast that with being a kid born in Somalia.

Have a ball, on your mental exercise.

Um I am not talking about fair and equal. I do not believe life is all equal and fair for everyone. That is what makes it a life.

I am addressing the right to be born free. Does it exist even when it is abused by the government?

Our freedoms are most certainly a right of birth and only an unchecked government can take that right away in a civil society.

Too many are making that an easy endeavor for this government.

 

[Koios]

Your rambling trolling derail about McCarthy screamed "I got nothing".

Go play out on the freeway.

What??? You missed the point??? ******* shocker.

Some righty asshold reaches for the refuge of retards: commie card.

Then I ***** slap it into oblivion, with actual content you cannot even imagine being able to challenge. So you reach for the refuge of really, really retarded ******* vegetables:

Yure off topic, dude. Ewwww; you're dumb. Dismissed. (Like you could on a good day, on the off chance you ever have one.)

I missed nothing....You're a demagogic, trolling commie freak.

Now go play with your People's Cube.

Of course you don't think you did. If you cannot see it, how on earth could an abject moron like you even begin to grasp what you missed???

Tell us something that isn't patently ******* obvious. Can you? (tip: nope)

 

[Uncensored2008]

I have no ******* idea. Some do, some don't. But, and knock me over with a ******* feather, you missed the point, entirely, which is: folks born here have more freedom than those born in North Korea.

Perhaps it's all the spray paint you huffed in those expensive prep-schools mumsy and daddy sent you to, but you seem to border on mental retardation.

Yes sparky, people in America have more freedom (at the moment) than those in North Korea. However, the sentient among us recognize that Americans have no more RIGHT to freedom than North Koreans, that the imposition of totalitarianism is an infringement of human rights - not simply the differing culture of a distant people.

Obviously you of the left believe your time is now, to move and establish the authoritarian system you desire. But as your mentor, Pol Pot discovered, repression of knowledge, history and fact, does not eradicate the same.

 

[Koios]

That is honestly a pathetically warped way of thinking with all due respect. So its all about birth luck not a natural birthright in your opinion? People are not entitled to be free simply by being born in your opinion?

Do you realize that your line of thinking about the origination of our freedoms actually replaces God or a Creator or a higher being with government?

You must dismiss this then:

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. – That to secure these rights Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, – That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it…”



If you will answer the following:



The powers of the consent come from...?

​

Yes indeed. Let's say you're a child of Bill and Melinda Gates; then imagine what freedoms you might have, such as great legal help if by chance caught with some dope, or school choice or where on the planet you'll summer this year.

Then contrast that with being a kid born in Somalia.

Have a ball, on your mental exercise.

Um I am not talking about fair and equal. I do not believe life is all equal and fair for everyone. That is what makes it a life.

I am addressing the right to be born free. Does it exist even when it is abused by the government?

Our freedoms are most certainly a right of birth and only an unchecked government can take that right away in a civil society.

Too many are making that an easy endeavor for this government.

Gee; really? Me either. Since we have so much in common, let's ****.

Hahahahahahahaha. Goddamn you guys. I'm having trouble typing I'm laughing so hard.

 

[Dante]

No, it's not semantics.

The concept of natural rights presumes that we all have our rights in precedence to lawful de jure government....And in fact it is the protection of those rights that is its primary (arguably only) role in our lives.

...

That the feds stuck their noses into the business of the people and outlawed alcohol is representative of what happens when they get out of their box...They create black markets, chaos and chaos.

from preamble Declaration of Independence

"all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

preamble of US Constitution

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence[sic], promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Concept: An abstract idea; a general notion.

The protection of rights is the primary (arguably only) role of government in our lives? Read the preamble to the US Constitution.

Your grasp of American history concerning prohibition is at a grade school level (arguably lower). The Federal Government DID NOT seek to outlaw alcohol, US citizens did. Look up what it takes to get an amendment to the US Constitution to a successful conclusion.

American populists, progressives, conservatives, and Christians (as well as some of other faiths) campaigned all over America and the sacred "people" voted


Dante

dD

 

[Koios]

I have no ******* idea. Some do, some don't. But, and knock me over with a ******* feather, you missed the point, entirely, which is: folks born here have more freedom than those born in North Korea.

Perhaps it's all the spray paint you huffed in those expensive prep-schools mumsy and daddy sent you to, but you seem to border on mental retardation.

Yes sparky, people in America have more freedom (at the moment) than those in North Korea. However, the sentient among us recognize that Americans have no more RIGHT to freedom than North Koreans, that the imposition of totalitarianism is an infringement of human rights - not simply the differing culture of a distant people.

Obviously you of the left believe your time is now, to move and establish the authoritarian system you desire. But as your mentor, Pol Pot discovered, repression of knowledge, history and fact, does not eradicate the same.

Sure; makes prefect sense. You're a ******* idiot who couldn't keep up in your wildest ******* wetdreams. So I'm huffin' paint.

Good "thinking," moron.

 

[Oddball]

No, it's not semantics.

The concept of natural rights presumes that we all have our rights in precedence to lawful de jure government....And in fact it is the protection of those rights that is its primary (arguably only) role in our lives.

...

That the feds stuck their noses into the business of the people and outlawed alcohol is representative of what happens when they get out of their box...They create black markets, chaos and chaos.

from preamble Declaration of Independence

"all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

preamble of US Constitution

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence[sic], promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Concept: An abstract idea; a general notion.

The protection of rights is the primary (arguably only) role of government in our lives? Read the preamble to the US Constitution.

Your grasp of American history concerning prohibition is at a grade school level (arguably lower). The Federal Government DID NOT seek to outlaw alcohol, US citizens did. Look up what it takes to get an amendment to the US Constitution to a successful conclusion.

American populists, progressives, conservatives, and Christians (as well as some of other faiths) campaigned all over America and the sacred "people" voted


Dante

dD

Prohibition is a prime example of what happens when you ignore the original intent of the republic to protect rights and use it to restrict rights.

Speaking of an understanding that is below grade school.

 

[Dante]

No, it's not semantics.

The concept of natural rights

We created the government, the concept of government, the mode of government to protect us, AND WE DEFINED THE RIGHTS WE WANTED OUR GOVERNMENT TO PROTECT.

cool, we all agree natural rights are concepts: abstract ideas; general notions.

 

[Koios]

No, it's not semantics.

The concept of natural rights presumes that we all have our rights in precedence to lawful de jure government....And in fact it is the protection of those rights that is its primary (arguably only) role in our lives.

...

That the feds stuck their noses into the business of the people and outlawed alcohol is representative of what happens when they get out of their box...They create black markets, chaos and chaos.

from preamble Declaration of Independence

"all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness...That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."

preamble of US Constitution

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence[sic], promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

Concept: An abstract idea; a general notion.

The protection of rights is the primary (arguably only) role of government in our lives? Read the preamble to the US Constitution.

Your grasp of American history concerning prohibition is at a grade school level (arguably lower). The Federal Government DID NOT seek to outlaw alcohol, US citizens did. Look up what it takes to get an amendment to the US Constitution to a successful conclusion.

American populists, progressives, conservatives, and Christians (as well as some of other faiths) campaigned all over America and the sacred "people" voted


Dante

dD

Great post! Exactly. While Tom's prose is the stuff of pure awe, it's merely a moral justification for why it was okie doke to tell KG to go **** himself.

It does not define what rights humans actually have, which, as it happens, varies by country, regardless of what we or they think they oughta be.