OK so I came in and started a number of threads designed to show that there really isn't an argument based on logic. That palestine was divided into two states. Jordan and Israel. The two state solution. Even if the timeline of the suggestion of the two state solution, as suggested by the remaining Arab beligerants in Israel is dissonant with the actual implementation of that two state solution by the British. IE, what the Arabs now want is a three or four state "solution".
But what is peace really worth. SOME of the Arabs have stated that there will only be peace when Israel is wiped off the face of the map, but look at the cost, the damage, the unfairness of the situation. About 99% of N Africa is held by Arab Muslims many of which are not indigenous tribes or peoples. The Judaic people are asking for less than 1% in the exact area of their cultural and national heritage. Their homeland.
How many years of bloodshed really need to go buy before both sides realize that bloodshed isn't the answer. Oh you can kill the man, but you can't kill the idea. Something else you can't kill is the racism.
I've kept it pretty impersonal so far other than to mention my native american background, yeah, I'm 50% Iroquois, but I'm also 25% Jewish. Just found out a few years ago. Last year I dated a Muslim from Kazakstan on my summer stay in Yellowstone. Oh she was kinda a pain in the ass but her devout practice of Islam wasn't the issue. Actually she kinda liked that I encouraged her to stay strong and keep to her faith even in the face of some local bigotry. For my part I'm an animist, but I'm not here to discuss faith. I just want to make it clear that there's no reason we all can't just STOP FIGHTING.
A great woman once said, and I'm sorry if it sounds one sided, peace will be had when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews. ( Golda Mier )
Trying to address the complaints by the Arabs I am forced however to agree with her. The facts on the ground now are clear. The Israeli's will not relent. They will hold their 25% of palestine and make peace with anyone who is willing to allow them their one small slice of the pie.
Some of the Judaic people have been expelled from Arab lands ( might be more accurate to say most but, yeah ) and some of the Arab people have been expelled from Israel ( might be more accurate to say most again ) but whats done is done. Israel is today and will be into eternity. If it hasn't become obvious that no amount of violence is going to dislodge her then someones just not paying attention.
The point is how much is enough. How much blood does it take to realize that blood isn't the answer ?
Martyrs cannot be silenced, on either side. We all have our hero's. But how much blood does it take, to erase the hatred and begin the healing.
What will my ancestors say of me, if I don't rise above it all and make every attempt to live in peace, when faced with overwhelming odds.
So the question becomes
How much pride is living in peace worth ?
But what is peace really worth. SOME of the Arabs have stated that there will only be peace when Israel is wiped off the face of the map, but look at the cost, the damage, the unfairness of the situation. About 99% of N Africa is held by Arab Muslims many of which are not indigenous tribes or peoples. The Judaic people are asking for less than 1% in the exact area of their cultural and national heritage. Their homeland.
How many years of bloodshed really need to go buy before both sides realize that bloodshed isn't the answer. Oh you can kill the man, but you can't kill the idea. Something else you can't kill is the racism.
I've kept it pretty impersonal so far other than to mention my native american background, yeah, I'm 50% Iroquois, but I'm also 25% Jewish. Just found out a few years ago. Last year I dated a Muslim from Kazakstan on my summer stay in Yellowstone. Oh she was kinda a pain in the ass but her devout practice of Islam wasn't the issue. Actually she kinda liked that I encouraged her to stay strong and keep to her faith even in the face of some local bigotry. For my part I'm an animist, but I'm not here to discuss faith. I just want to make it clear that there's no reason we all can't just STOP FIGHTING.
A great woman once said, and I'm sorry if it sounds one sided, peace will be had when the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews. ( Golda Mier )
Trying to address the complaints by the Arabs I am forced however to agree with her. The facts on the ground now are clear. The Israeli's will not relent. They will hold their 25% of palestine and make peace with anyone who is willing to allow them their one small slice of the pie.
Some of the Judaic people have been expelled from Arab lands ( might be more accurate to say most but, yeah ) and some of the Arab people have been expelled from Israel ( might be more accurate to say most again ) but whats done is done. Israel is today and will be into eternity. If it hasn't become obvious that no amount of violence is going to dislodge her then someones just not paying attention.
The point is how much is enough. How much blood does it take to realize that blood isn't the answer ?
Martyrs cannot be silenced, on either side. We all have our hero's. But how much blood does it take, to erase the hatred and begin the healing.
What will my ancestors say of me, if I don't rise above it all and make every attempt to live in peace, when faced with overwhelming odds.
So the question becomes
How much pride is living in peace worth ?
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