What Is Genocide?

[Road Runner]

Well, you won't like my response. But there's no doubt in my mind that both 9/11 and 10/7 were false flags. You really need to turn off the TV and stop believing everything you're manipulated to believe.

You're right, I don't like it. Many Americans and Jews died on both of those dates. There's no conspiracy here.

 

[buttercup]

You're right, I don't like it. Many Americans and Jews died on both of those dates. There's no conspiracy here.

Of course people died. I never said otherwise. A false flag doesn't mean no one died. It means that the perpetrators behind it aren't who we're led to believe they are.

 

[Road Runner]

Of course people died. I never said otherwise. A false flag doesn't mean no one died.

Okay then do explain just who was responsible for 9/11 and 10/7.

 

[toobfreak]

But there's no doubt in my mind. You really need to turn off the TV.

So, less information is more information?
Or is the internet just better info than the TV?

Me, I take info from ALL AVAILABLE SOURCES, sift, weigh and evaluate, then DRAW MY OWN CONCLUSIONS based on my analysis of the body of the most reliable and cross-verifiable info out there weighed against my own knowledge and experience.

 

[toobfreak]

Okay then do explain just who was responsible for 9/11 and 10/7.

That waskily wabbit.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

She asked how Israel's response is different than America's response to 9/11. And you said "they are both reactions to terrorism by Arabs"..... that's why I asked if you believe the official 9/11 narrative.

I don't pay any heed to whether something is "official" or not, that's not relevant to me.

The attack on the WTC was an act of terrorism as was Oct 7th, we can look at various definitions for the term to see that's true.

Having said that, both events are themselves reactions to terrorism, Israel generates terrorism and on Sept 11 that terrorism spilled over from the Middle East to the United States mainland.

Militant Zionism has since WW1 caused massive harm to Palestine and the people who live there be they Jew, Arab, Muslim, Christian, Bedouin etc., all of the people have been and are being harmed by the presence of the Jew supremacist regime and it's ideology.

But if you don't, then never mind.

 

[buttercup]

Okay then do explain just who was responsible for 9/11 and 10/7.

Knowing intuitively that something is a lie doesn't necessarily mean one knows who exactly is behind it. But I do believe that certain elements of our government are corrupt and subversive, and have globalist agendas. They want war for their own purposes, not for defense or other reasons we're given. And they know full well that the public won't support a war unless they believe it's for a just cause. So they'll create a reason to go to war, to get the public behind it. You're probably too young to remember the "babies pulled out of incubators" lie that got America to support the first Gulf war.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

I don't understand it myself. I was just asking that question because I don't understand the difference.

The middle east started a war with the US and the US responded in self-defense. Just like the Jews are doing with Hamas.

Sept 11 was the response not the initiator, why do you think anyone would attack the WTC in the way they did with months of meticulous planning? just because?

 

[Road Runner]

Knowing intuitively that something is a lie doesn't necessarily mean one knows who exactly is behind it. But I do believe that certain elements of our government are corrupt and subversive, and have globalist agendas. They want war for their own purposes, not for defense or other reasons we're given. And they know full well that the public won't support a war unless they believe it's for a just cause. So they'll create a reason to go to war, to get the public behind it. You're probably too young to remember the "babies pulled out of incubators" lie that got America to support the first Gulf war.

No offense or anything but your vegan arguments make more sense than this. I'm not saying that I'm turning pro vegan so don't read more into this than I'm already saying, I'm just saying that I at least understand them better even if I don't agree with them.

 

[buttercup]

So, less information is more information?
Or is the internet just better info than the TV?

Me, I take info from ALL AVAILABLE SOURCES, sift, weigh and evaluate, then DRAW MY OWN CONCLUSIONS based on my analysis of the body of the most reliable and cross-verifiable info out there weighed against my own knowledge and experience.

Looking at all available sources is good. But no one should take anything from the MSM at face value. I mean, propaganda is basically legal now in the US. And I know you and others will disagree, but I believe Americans are one of the most propagandized people groups in the world.

 

[toobfreak]

But I do believe that certain elements of our government are corrupt and subversive, and have globalist agendas. They want war for their own purposes, not for defense or other reasons we're given. And they know full well that the public won't support a war unless they believe it's for a just cause. So they'll create a reason to go to war, to get the public behind it.

Buttercup, you don't need intuition for that, this is COMMON KNOWLEDGE.
I probably listen to 2 ex-CIA, ex-Intel officers a week who come right out and ADMIT THAT.

• FACT - the fed is corrupt and subversive.
• FACT - there is a top-down globalist agenda.

I just listened to an ex-CIA dude the other day talking about how they and FBI routinely as a matter of practice identify groups in the country as actionable resources, then send out agents to infiltrate them, radicalize them and try to find people whom they can incite to purposeful agendas. Then they sit back and decide if they need them and how to use them.

This is in large part what they did with J6.

It just scales up bigger on a globalist scale.

This is the very thing Trump portends to be trying to fight to break up in this country. Wish him luck, it is a huge task.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

See folks? Trump will obey his Zionist masters, even to the point of the rest of the civilized world condemning him, he will do and say what Israel wants - if he doesn't he'll feel the wrath of the Zionist lobby...

Trump’s Gaza proposal rejected by allies and condemned as ethnic cleansing plan

US president has suggested Palestinians should leave Gaza for neighbouring countries to ‘just clean out’ whole strip

www.theguardian.com

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Israel will be much better off when Palestine is cleansed of islam.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

Israel will be much better off when Palestine is cleansed of islam.

Palestine will be much better off once Israel is wiped off the map and a truly egalitarian government presides over all of the region, one based on equal rights for all races and groups rather than the Jew supremacist fanaticism that has brought misery to all.



Americans do not understand Israeli colonization because to do so one must understand this country's roots as a white supremacist colony and that's asking too much of most people here. The premise in every discussion about the US is false. that premise - mostly unstated - is that the US is benevolent, a bringer of freedom and democracy and a beacon for the rest of the world, sometimes reluctantly forced to use force but always in a way that is truly honorable and well intended.

Any person who accepts that premise will never be able to understand the world today, it's just impossible, the premise more or less guarantees ongoing ignorance.

 

[Stryder50]

I thought that I understood it to be targeting a group of people because of their race or religion or whatnot. However, this article is saying that President Trump wants to clean out Gaza so is that still considered genocide? I mean I get why he wants to do it but not everybody there is a terrorist. My suspicion is that it's a fake article

Trump wants Jordan and Egypt to accept more Palestinian refugees and floats plan to 'clean out' Gaza

Trump said he discussed his vision on a call earlier in the day with King Abdullah II of Jordan and would speak Sunday with President Abdel Fattah el-Sissi of Egypt.

apnews.com

PS. Did the war really start in 2023 because I thought that it was 2021.

Try 1948 for a more contemporary "Start"; when the Muslims and Arabs in and bordering the Levant/Israel/"Palestine" rejected the U.N. two-state solution and vowed to destroy Israel and kill, if not drive out, all the Jews.

But then, to be more honest, Islam has been at war with we "Infidels" ever since the time of Muhammad and the first Jihads. About 1400 years ago.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Really? You get more than one channel on your TV?


Can you link us to Bibi saying that on the record or did you just get it directly off Bibi in person?

Been a stated goal of the hardliners for more than 15 years.

Can you blame him? The Palestinians aren't exactly State Farm--- like a good neighbor.


The "gameplan" is all in the hands of the Palestinians.

• They and Hamas attacked Israel brutally.

Yes. However, Israel has visited and avenged its dead more than 20X over in Gaza. And now, the West Bank.

• Soon as Israel releases a palestinian, they go running back to Hamas putting one of their headbands back on.

Well, as there is no way of measuring that, that's conjecture. But the numbers would support at least some of them going back to fighting.

• Now that Israel is releasing the palestinian murderers, they are all free to go where they are wanted, maybe to Egypt or Jordan.
• I don't think Israel wants them back in Gaza anymore.

This has been their stated goal for more than 15 years now. They bombed the place into ruins. Now they're going to "evict" them. Via genocide, ethnic cleansing, or just removing shelter, food, medicine, and employment.

• Gaza looks like a good place to build ports, resorts and some settlements so that finally, Israel can have a little much needed peace.

LOL. Sure. Murder an entire race of people and level the land to build hotels and condos. Jeez.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

No. Genocide is the extermination of a race. The Palestinians are not even a race, they are of the exact same haplogroup as the Israelis and Jordanians. This is a RELOCATION effort of a group of arabs who previously inhabited the Gaza region, not genocide.

Too bad though, had the Arabs and Palestinians accepted the 2 state agreement offered back in what-- 1947? None of this would be happening, they would be prospering, and they would have 6X the land as was Gaza.

Now, Gaza is no more.

They are a people. Same thing. Still genocide.

 

[TheProgressivePatriot]

Why are you so abjectly stupid? Or do you just prefer to ignore facts.... Like how the Goat Fuckers broke an existing Cease Fire to invade Israel, murder and rape, steal and plunder, and burn small children alive?

But, you do seem to have the IQ of an over ripe tomato so, there's that.

Must be a dimocrap. A scumbag dimocrap, to boot. Go tag a Synagogue, dimocrap.

I am not Jewish, I have no Jewish Friends, relatives or neighbors. I'm just pro-civilization. You, OTOH are a backward POS dimocrap.

Go away. I hear Iraq is nice this time of year

Holy shit on a shingle!! WHAT!!?? Did you just spit up on yourself? You sound awfully emotional Get a grip. You could have just calmly said that you hate Palestinians with all of the ad homonyms and racist tropes.

Now try to understand that there is enough blame to go around . Hamas and the Israelis and both behaving badly. But the people who we’re talking about-the Palestinians are not Hamas and Israel has been treating them badly for a very long time, and worse since the war started. Israel has created a huge humanitarian nightmare ‘ They bomb hospitals and aid convoys. If you were pro civilization as you claim you would understand that the Palestinians are human beings,

The problem with too many people-people like you is that you have blinders on. You lack the sophistication and intellectual capacity to see both sides and grasp the complexity of the situation . You approach this-and I suspect many thins in life -with all or nothing , ridged , back and white mentality . That my friend is the hallmark of those who suffer from abject stupidity. On a final note-in case you don’t know-many Israeli’s disapprove of the tactics the IDF is using.

 

[toobfreak]

Been a stated goal of the hardliners for more than 15 years.

Then why can't you link to it?

Yes. However, Israel has visited and avenged its dead more than 20X over in Gaza. And now, the West Bank.

Your opinion.

They bombed the place into ruins. Now they're going to "evict" them.

That is eviction/relocation, not genocide.

 

[toobfreak]

They are a people. Same thing. Still genocide.

Nope. Palestinians are not a race.
Palestinians are being killed by their own choosing by staying in Gaza fighting Israel.
It isn't genocide until every last Palestinian is killed.
They should probably just stop supporting Hamas and fighting the Jews.