What if there had been no slaves in America?

[bgrouse]

I love it! He makes a bullshit claim, and it's my fault for being ignorant and apparently not finishing jr high!

You should be embarrassed you werent taught that the Spanish invaded Mexico. I had no idea people like you actually existed.

I wasn't taught that? Is that another one of your bullshit claims?

You still didn't answer the question. Why would Americans have to take them from the Spanish? These days we can't even keep them out.

If your synapses havent provided you the answer yet any explanation I give you is only going to further confuse you.

I must admit, your baseless, bullshit accusations are nonsensical and confusing! So if you're implying I'd get more of the same from you, then I suppose you're correct that it would confuse me!

I never made an accusation slow one. I better let you get on the yellow bus before you get lost.

Really? This isn't an accusation?

you werent taught that the Spanish invaded Mexico.

 

[Asclepias]

You should be embarrassed you werent taught that the Spanish invaded Mexico. I had no idea people like you actually existed.

I wasn't taught that? Is that another one of your bullshit claims?

You still didn't answer the question. Why would Americans have to take them from the Spanish? These days we can't even keep them out.

If your synapses havent provided you the answer yet any explanation I give you is only going to further confuse you.

I must admit, your baseless, bullshit accusations are nonsensical and confusing! So if you're implying I'd get more of the same from you, then I suppose you're correct that it would confuse me!

I never made an accusation slow one. I better let you get on the yellow bus before you get lost.

Really? This isn't an accusation?

you werent taught that the Spanish invaded Mexico.

That was an observation. Its pretty plain you werent taught history hence your confusion.

 

[bgrouse]

I wasn't taught that? Is that another one of your bullshit claims?

You still didn't answer the question. Why would Americans have to take them from the Spanish? These days we can't even keep them out.

If your synapses havent provided you the answer yet any explanation I give you is only going to further confuse you.

I must admit, your baseless, bullshit accusations are nonsensical and confusing! So if you're implying I'd get more of the same from you, then I suppose you're correct that it would confuse me!

I never made an accusation slow one. I better let you get on the yellow bus before you get lost.

Really? This isn't an accusation?

you werent taught that the Spanish invaded Mexico.

That was an observation. Its pretty plain you werent taught history hence your confusion.

Another bullshit claim by the moron! I won't hold my breath waiting for you to support it...

 

[Asclepias]

If your synapses havent provided you the answer yet any explanation I give you is only going to further confuse you.

I must admit, your baseless, bullshit accusations are nonsensical and confusing! So if you're implying I'd get more of the same from you, then I suppose you're correct that it would confuse me!

I never made an accusation slow one. I better let you get on the yellow bus before you get lost.

Really? This isn't an accusation?

you werent taught that the Spanish invaded Mexico.

That was an observation. Its pretty plain you werent taught history hence your confusion.

Another bullshit claim by the moron! I won't hold my breath waiting for you to support it...

No support needed. Your confusion regarding my post pretty much seals the deal. Anyone that read my post and understands history has no confusion about my post. Youre the only one. That should be a large hint for you.

 

[Pogo]

What if there had been no slaves in America?

Would blacks still claim to be oppressed? Would we have race baiters?

Well I would like to ask in what fantasy world would that have ever have been an option? I love alternative worlds, science fiction. Le's say, Africans developed technology like gun powder and fire arms and also developed steam or even alternative forms of energy, Let's say black Africans suddenly had this sense of superiority and they invaded Europe and took whites as slaves. And bought and sold them as chattel. There are supposedly a unlimited number of universes. So the good and the bad depends on the reality and the universe you live in.

I did ask the OP waaay back at the start what he meant by the opening premise --- whether it's a question of what if there had been no slavery in the US, presumably while it continued to operate the economies of nations south of us as well as in territories we later acquired --- or whether he meant what if the entire Americas, both continents, had never done it.

Both of those open other alternate universes and histories (Yuge ones) but I never got an answer on that.
Fatter o' mact I think the OP abandoned his own thread. Mayhaps the question was too bigly for him.

 

[bgrouse]

I must admit, your baseless, bullshit accusations are nonsensical and confusing! So if you're implying I'd get more of the same from you, then I suppose you're correct that it would confuse me!

I never made an accusation slow one. I better let you get on the yellow bus before you get lost.

Really? This isn't an accusation?

you werent taught that the Spanish invaded Mexico.

That was an observation. Its pretty plain you werent taught history hence your confusion.

Another bullshit claim by the moron! I won't hold my breath waiting for you to support it...

No support needed. Your confusion regarding my post pretty much seals the deal. Anyone that read my post and understands history has no confusion about my post. Youre the only one. That should be a large hint for you.

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, you worthless coward?

 

[Asclepias]

Had there been no slaves, people would figure out how to survive.

Is that why they starved to death until the Native Americans helped them?

You are talking about the early settlers. Whites did not survive by slavery alone.

There would have been no whites if the early settlers had died off from starvation like they were doing.

 

[Asclepias]

I never made an accusation slow one. I better let you get on the yellow bus before you get lost.

Really? This isn't an accusation?

you werent taught that the Spanish invaded Mexico.

That was an observation. Its pretty plain you werent taught history hence your confusion.

Another bullshit claim by the moron! I won't hold my breath waiting for you to support it...

No support needed. Your confusion regarding my post pretty much seals the deal. Anyone that read my post and understands history has no confusion about my post. Youre the only one. That should be a large hint for you.

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, you worthless coward?

Because youre confused and you dont have a good grasp on history.

 

[bgrouse]

Really? This isn't an accusation?

you werent taught that the Spanish invaded Mexico.

That was an observation. Its pretty plain you werent taught history hence your confusion.

Another bullshit claim by the moron! I won't hold my breath waiting for you to support it...

No support needed. Your confusion regarding my post pretty much seals the deal. Anyone that read my post and understands history has no confusion about my post. Youre the only one. That should be a large hint for you.

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, you worthless coward?

Because youre confused and you dont have a good grasp on history.

Whatever. I have no interest in arguing with a dishonest turd like you who pulls bullshit out of his ass and refuses to substantiate any of it.

 

[Asclepias]

That was an observation. Its pretty plain you werent taught history hence your confusion.

Another bullshit claim by the moron! I won't hold my breath waiting for you to support it...

No support needed. Your confusion regarding my post pretty much seals the deal. Anyone that read my post and understands history has no confusion about my post. Youre the only one. That should be a large hint for you.

Why don't you put your money where your mouth is, you worthless coward?

Because youre confused and you dont have a good grasp on history.

Whatever. I have no interest in arguing with a dishonest turd like you who pulls bullshit out of his ass and refuses to substantiate any of it.

We can tell by your lengthy episode of confusion and arguing you dont really mean that.

 

[Taz]

I love it! He makes a bullshit claim, and it's my fault for being ignorant and apparently not finishing jr high!

You should be embarrassed you werent taught that the Spanish invaded Mexico. I had no idea people like you actually existed.

I wasn't taught that? Is that another one of your bullshit claims?

You still didn't answer the question. Why would Americans have to take them from the Spanish? These days we can't even keep them out.

If your synapses havent provided you the answer yet any explanation I give you is only going to further confuse you.

I must admit, your baseless, bullshit accusations are nonsensical and confusing! So if you're implying I'd get more of the same from you, then I suppose you're correct that it would confuse me!

I never made an accusation slow one. I better let you get on the yellow bus before you get lost.

BG, this is about all that you're going to get out of this brutha. Even his insults are low-rent.

 

[Syriusly]

Okay- then Americans were not skilled craftsmen.

Because by that standard- most Americans were not skilled craftsmen.

Your silly debate on semantics is getting boring. Do you have any evidence that "slaves built America"? If not, quit wasting my time.

All it takes is one of these to support the argument that slaves were part of building America.

Of course slaves didn't 'build' America- many parts of "America" had virtually no slaves, and many parts had very few slaves.

But in the South- yes- slaves built much of the South- just as the Chinese built most of the Railroad from the West, and the Irish built much of the Railroad coming from the East.

I have given you the facts.
I have proven that your claims that slaves were never skilled enough to be skilled craftsmen to be false.
I have proven that your claim that no slaves built bridges was false.

So I have led you to water of the facts. I can't make you believe the facts rather than your fantasy version of history.

Still pointing out the exceptions that we all know exist? You have quite a talent for pointing out the obvious.

The differences between you and myself is that you just make bullshit unsubstantiated claims.

I provide facts that disprove your bullshit claims.

You provided nothing that suggests slaves built this nation.

All it takes is one of these to support the argument that slaves were part of building America.

Of course slaves didn't 'build' America- many parts of "America" had virtually no slaves, and many parts had very few slaves.

But in the South- yes- slaves built much of the South- just as the Chinese built most of the Railroad from the West, and the Irish built much of the Railroad coming from the East.

I have given you the facts.
I have proven that your claims that slaves were never skilled enough to be skilled craftsmen to be false.
I have proven that your claim that no slaves built bridges was false.

So I have led you to water of the facts. I can't make you believe the facts rather than your fantasy version of history

 

[impuretrash]

The railroads were not made out of cotton.

 

[Markle]

Is that why they starved to death until the Native Americans helped them?

They starved and died of disease in the first, permanent settlement in America Jamestown, dropped a communal now known as Socialist, economy and adopted Capitalism.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What if there had been no slaves in America?

Would blacks still claim to be oppressed? Would we have race baiters?

Honestly, we would most likely have an all white society.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What if there had been no slaves in America?

Would blacks still claim to be oppressed? Would we have race baiters?

We'd have shitty teeth and our currency would say God Save the Queen

Even for you, that is insanely stupid.

Slaves did not fight the revolutionary war, dopey.

 

[Uncensored2008]

What if there had been no slaves in America?

Would blacks still claim to be oppressed? Would we have race baiters?

If there had been no slaves in America, there would be no America because when Europeans wanted to build the country they did not have the labor force to do it and went to the continent of Africa to exploit them and enslave them to build America for them and their profit.

Ignorant nonsense based on your prejudice and devoid of any hint of fact.

 

[Markle]

What if there had been no slaves in America?

Would blacks still claim to be oppressed? Would we have race baiters?

Well I would like to ask in what fantasy world would that have ever have been an option? I love alternative worlds, science fiction. Le's say, Africans developed technology like gun powder and fire arms and also developed steam or even alternative forms of energy, Let's say black Africans suddenly had this sense of superiority and they invaded Europe and took whites as slaves. And bought and sold them as chattel. There are supposedly a unlimited number of universes. So the good and the bad depends on the reality and the universe you live in.

I did ask the OP waaay back at the start what he meant by the opening premise --- whether it's a question of what if there had been no slavery in the US, presumably while it continued to operate the economies of nations south of us as well as in territories we later acquired --- or whether he meant what if the entire Americas, both continents, had never done it.

Both of those open other alternate universes and histories (Yuge ones) but I never got an answer on that.
Fatter o' mact I think the OP abandoned his own thread. Mayhaps the question was too bigly for him.

Answered your intentionally dumb question earlier on the thread.

 

[Markle]

What if there had been no slaves in America?

Would blacks still claim to be oppressed? Would we have race baiters?

Honestly, we would most likely have an all white society.

Where would all the people who claim to be oppressed due to their ancestors allegedly being slaves be today?

 

[Uncensored2008]

What if there had been no slaves in America?

Would blacks still claim to be oppressed? Would we have race baiters?

If there had been no slaves in America, there would be no America because when Europeans wanted to build the country they did not have the labor force to do it and went to the continent of Africa to exploit them and enslave them to build America for them and their profit.

Nonsense. Of course, there would still be America.

By "America" you mean North and South? Because slavery was of course used throughout both.

Or do you mean what if the US didn't have slaves but the rest of America did?

Pogo, you are the epitome of ignorance and dishonesty, as you attempt to pervert history to fit your Marxist model.

First off, slavery in America pre-dates the first African. Slavery of whites in what is known as "indentured servitude" was highly prevalent during the colonial times, This practice was displaced by the importation of African slaves from the French and Spanish Caribbean, Yes, I know you like to paint tales of American brutes rampaging through peaceful Africa taking natives who lived in absolute harmony back to America to be beaten to death for the pleasure of hated whites.

But as usual, what you present is complete falsehood.

IF African slaves had not been brought to America, then European slaves which were already in abundant supply, would simply have continued.

Learn something, you ignorant troll;

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Indentured Servants In The U.S.
Indentured servants first arrived in America in the decade following the settlement of Jamestown by the Virginia Company in 1607.

The idea of indentured servitude was born of a need for cheap labor. The earliest settlers soon realized that they had lots of land to care for, but no one to care for it. With passage to the Colonies expensive for all but the wealthy, the Virginia Company developed the system of indentured servitude to attract workers. Indentured servants became vital to the colonial economy.

The timing of the Virginia colony was ideal. The Thirty Year's War had left Europe's economy depressed, and many skilled and unskilled laborers were without work. A new life in the New World offered a glimmer of hope; this explains how one-half to two-thirds of the immigrants who came to the American colonies arrived as indentured servants.

Servants typically worked four to seven years in exchange for passage, room, board, lodging and freedom dues. While the life of an indentured servant was harsh and restrictive, it wasn't slavery. There were laws that protected some of their rights. But their life was not an easy one, and the punishments meted out to people who wronged were harsher than those for non-servants. An indentured servant's contract could be extended as punishment for breaking a law, such as running away, or in the case of female servants, becoming pregnant.
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Indentured Servants In The U.S. | History Detectives | PBS