what has obama done that makes him a better POTUS than bush?

[my2¢]

i thought bush was a terrible pres for the most part, although i did vote for him in 2000 because he wasn't al gore. i voted lib in 2004 and in 2008 i didn't vote for POTUS at all.

if you support pres obama,please tell me why you feel he's a better pres than bush was. from where i sit, it's more business as usual, and if anything, it's more cynical than usual, too.

Even if I didn't vote for them (and I rarely do) I support whoever is elected - up to a point. With G.W. Bush the point came as he explained his stance on Iraq in a prime time presentation. Haven't yet reached that point with Obama.

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

It's going to take some creativity for this thread.

perhaps, but it's a sincere question.

for a change

He is post racial. Now when you disagree it isnt due to his race it is strictly do to what one believes moves the country in the direction of greater personal liberty and smaller government.
So for that he has accomplished something positive with the help of the media..

 

[Gunny]

i thought bush was a terrible pres for the most part, although i did vote for him in 2000 because he wasn't al gore. i voted lib in 2004 and in 2008 i didn't vote for POTUS at all.

if you support pres obama,please tell me why you feel he's a better pres than bush was. from where i sit, it's more business as usual, and if anything, it's more cynical than usual, too.

Nothing. I wasn't impressed with Bush, but at least he didn't have to f- with stuff just to be f-ing with it.

Obama on the other hand is trying to turn the US into another mediocre, socialist Euro-state.

The US could never be destroyed from without. It IS being destroyed from within.

 

[asaratis]

i thought bush was a terrible pres for the most part, although i did vote for him in 2000 because he wasn't al gore. i voted lib in 2004 and in 2008 i didn't vote for POTUS at all.

if you support pres obama,please tell me why you feel he's a better pres than bush was. from where i sit, it's more business as usual, and if anything, it's more cynical than usual, too.

Seriously it is a difficult comparison. Bush started out with a huge surplus and no international involvements. Obama stepped into a huge deficite and a death spiral of an economy and two wars..

What would an Obama have done with Bushes start? What would Bush have done with the conditions of Obamas start?

It is impossible to gauge. Based on how Bush handled the situation and advantages he inherited I would venture that by this point we would be the passengers on the Titanic.

Obama having a surplus and great economy would not have the crisis to do health care ...at least a better regulated economy ...we may not have had the wall st collapse ...it is just to hard to know if a smart guy could have done any better than the baffoon.

Simply the fact that Bush started with a huge surplus and no international involvements and we ended up with huge deficit and a death spiral of an economy and two wars tells the story.

These are observations that those on the right will desperately REFUSE to acknowledge. What will happen is the thread will continue with those points being ignored or the thread will just die with someone starting another, "Obama is really the grandson of Adolf Hitler" thread.

Typical liberal gibberish. The 'surplus' left to Bush was on paper thanks to the voodoo accounting of Clinton's cronies.. Bush didn't invite 9-11. It came upon us after Clinton let Obama slip away several times just to be PC. Bush freed the Iraqi people in accordance with the Iraqi Liberation Act signed by Bill Clinton.

Bush's major mistake was failing to veto some of the spending bills that kept coming to his desk.

Obama is a Marxist, driving toward total government control of our economy, jobs and benefits. Bear in mind that he does not have to adhere to any of the rules put forth to control the masses...he is part of the ruling elite. (They get special privileges throughout life just for sucking up to the leaders and being part of 'the government'.)

He is the worst POTUS we have had in my lifetime...bar none!

Liberalism is a mental disorder!

 

[rightwinger]

"if you support pres obama..."
Well, if you will allow me to infract your rule, as I do not support the President, I would like to offer a suggestion as to why many support[ed] him.

Skin color.

The desire to feel good about themselves, and cast off what is seen as the racist aspect of American history.

Richard Brookhiser has an excellent essay some years back that explored this aspect of elements of the electorate.

Brookhiser wrote an essay characterizing the left’s depiction, as follows:
“Who is the Numinous Negro? He is everywhere, especially in our hearts, and if we are lucky he is our friend. The Numinous Negro is a presiding divinity. The place he presides over is America, and contact with him elevates us spiritually. You see him in the gooey prose of white liberals whenever a Negro appears….The saintly Death Row hero of The Green Mile was so Numinous that even movie reviewers noticed the technique…
liberalism is a secular faith concerned to remedy what political scientist Kenneth Minogue called “suffering situations.”
The Numinous Negro - Flashback - National Review Online

Seriously PC, Skin Color was the reason Obama was elected?

Did you miss out on the last ten years? The 2006 congressional election was a referendum on the idiocy of the Iraq War. Republicans at all levels were voted out of office and Donald Rumsfeld paid with his job.

The 2008 election was about the economy. Since 2007, the economy had been in a freefall and the Republicans denied it right up to the election. Remember "The economy is fundamentally strong" from McCain? If skin color were the only reason for Obamas election, why were Republican Congressmen, Senators and Governors also voted out of office? Were they the wrong skin color too?

I think you have quite a valid case had I said "Skin Color was the reason Obama was elected..." as you have posited it.

And, again, your words: "If skin color were the only reason for Obamas election,..."

I like the technique...if you can get away with it.

But that is not quite what I said.

This from my post: "...why many support[ed] him."

I would love to debate the aspect of the Democrat playbook known as 'identity politics,' and then try to give some percentage of the vote that the President garnered due to skin color...but for this thread, I'll stick to 'many' being the operative term.

Of course the soaring oratorial ability must be a large part of the equation, and the economy. But I'll stick with my premise.

Were you able to read the Brookhiser essay?
Are you ready to make the argument that skin color was not a factor to any degree? I thought not.


If you would like to base your thinking on "Did you miss out on the last ten years?" then you are forced to answer this query:
Why was McCain ahead in September, prior to the financial meltdown?

PC...I stand corrected and misread your original post.

"if you support pres obama..."
Well, if you will allow me to infract your rule, as I do not support the President, I would like to offer a suggestion as to why many support[ed] him.

Skin color.

I do agree that many people voted for him because of his skin color. 95% of Blacks voted for him but 85% of those would have voted for the Democrat anyway. I also believe that many people did not vote for him because he is black, hates America, hates whites, is a Muslim and was born in Kenya...so I guess race goes both ways.

As to the Brookheiser essay....I read the title "the numinous negro" laughed at how pretentious it was and moved on. Reminds me too much of that Barack the Magic Negro crap

Now as to McCain leading in the polls in early September, it was a momentary bump from Palin and the Republican convention. It quickly faded once people realized what a dimwit Palin was and after McCain had a chance to strut his stuff in the debates

 

[del]

i thought bush was a terrible pres for the most part, although i did vote for him in 2000 because he wasn't al gore. i voted lib in 2004 and in 2008 i didn't vote for POTUS at all.

if you support pres obama,please tell me why you feel he's a better pres than bush was. from where i sit, it's more business as usual, and if anything, it's more cynical than usual, too.

Let me turn the question around and ask you, in what area are we not now better off than we were on the day Obama took office?

Of course we are in a terrible position on many issues, and they all have to do with our inability to face up to our problems. And, no matter who is president, unless we finally do what we'll have to do on such things as Social Security, Medicare, our Health Care delivery system, our dependence on foreign oil, and what seems to be our willingness to cede Green Technology, which is the next great economic growth area, to our competition, we will continue to slide toward following Greece over the economic edge.

But, back to your question, "why you feel he's a better pres than bush was," pick you category...........be it the economy, wall street, health care, or whatever you wish to discuss........as far as we are from being perfect on anything, we are today in a far, far better place than we were on the day Obama took office.

we may or may not be in a far, far better place, but let's stipulate that we are.
what has obama done, aside from not being george bush, that's gotten us here?

 

[Paulie]

This one's a bit overused, but it's relevant to the thread and I still get a laugh out of it..

 

[Political Junky]

Obama puts on better dog & pony shows with bussed in fake oil clean-up crews, paid fake protesters & fake doctors.

Fake Oil Clean-up
Fake Doctors
Doctor & Pony Show
Doctored Props

Shocking, Faux is critical of Obama.

 

[Polk]

Wait, so the left can claim that people who are opposed to Obama do so because they object to his skin color but . . . . no one voted for Obama because of his skin color? Bullshit.

Are you claiming McCain could have won if Obama was white?

Republicans at all levels of government were voted out of office in 2008. This was because of the collapsing economy, not because all these elections had one candidate who was white and the other was black.

I'm saying that without a doubt there were people who voted for Obama because he was black and yes, this was the only reason for some. Just as there were people who didn't vote for him solely because he was black.

Obama would have won if he were white but I do believe that his being black helped him garner more votes.

So you think the number of white people who feel that strongly moved by our nation's long history of racism is higher than the number of racists? I want some of what you're smoking.

 

[Sheldon]

Obama does a better job presenting speeches than Bush, but Bush's Bushisms were entertaining and I kinda miss those precious moments.

Obama has kept Gitmo open, even though he campaigned on closing it down. I think this is where reality ran against a campaign slogan.

Another example of reality going against a slogan is with DADT. He assertively campaigned for repealing it, but has not been as active in pursing that repeal as he had led me to believe. I feel like a violated sheep on this.

He basically has the same draw-down policy in Iraq that Bush did, and I think Bush, like Obama, would've increased troop levels in Afghanistan were he still president. So on those two fronts I don't see much of a difference. Kept Gates, too.

Both have supported TARP, and based on how lax Bush was about spending, it doesn't seem like a stretch for me to imagine him signing into law some kind of twelve-figure stimulus bill. If I'm remembering right, Bush's Keynesian rhetoric was similar to Obama's during Oct/Nov/Dec 2008, about how the government needs to save capitalism or some such.

It may be a little too early in Obama's term to compare him completely to Bush II's eight years. As of right now, I don't think Obama is as overall leftist to warrant the hysteria. He's left on some things, moderate on others. I think the reality of the Office pulls newbie Presidents toward the middle, and even more-so when the opposing party controls Congress.

I'm not a big fan of the GOP (I wish they'd step away from the social/religious issues and return to the classical, original, liberalism so that there is an option for decentralized governance; as of right now, they're like Democrats but with different Federal priorities) but I think a mixed Washington is usually a good thing.

 

[Polk]

Another example of reality going against a slogan is with DADT. He assertively campaigned for repealing it, but has not been as active in pursing that repeal as he had led me to believe. I feel like a violated sheep on this.

He's been pretty active on it, but you're right, it wasn't at the front of the agenda.

He basically has the same draw-down policy in Iraq that Bush did, and I think Bush, like Obama, would've increased troop levels in Afghanistan were he still president. So on those two fronts I don't see much of a difference. Kept Gates, too.

Except that Bush's policy of his last year or so was a full-fledged surrender to the position of Congressional Democrats. Saying "Obama is following the Bush strategy in Iraq" misses that key point.

 

[Papa Jack]

i thought bush was a terrible pres for the most part, although i did vote for him in 2000 because he wasn't al gore. i voted lib in 2004 and in 2008 i didn't vote for POTUS at all.

if you support pres obama,please tell me why you feel he's a better pres than bush was. from where i sit, it's more business as usual, and if anything, it's more cynical than usual, too.

Let me turn the question around and ask you, in what area are we not now better off than we were on the day Obama took office?

Of course we are in a terrible position on many issues, and they all have to do with our inability to face up to our problems. And, no matter who is president, unless we finally do what we'll have to do on such things as Social Security, Medicare, our Health Care delivery system, our dependence on foreign oil, and what seems to be our willingness to cede Green Technology, which is the next great economic growth area, to our competition, we will continue to slide toward following Greece over the economic edge.

But, back to your question, "why you feel he's a better pres than bush was," pick you category...........be it the economy, wall street, health care, or whatever you wish to discuss........as far as we are from being perfect on anything, we are today in a far, far better place than we were on the day Obama took office.

we may or may not be in a far, far better place, but let's stipulate that we are.
what has obama done, aside from not being george bush, that's gotten us here?

Many things, but let's list two that he is MOST responsible for getting past a Congress that has shown a complete inability to work together in order to solve major problems. Now, these are two things that were universally agreed on that had to be done..........from the far left, and the far right............and that was the Stimulus Bill and Health Care Reform.

That he was able to get a Stimulus Bill passed where the only position the GOP had was to say "NO," was remarkable. But, that he was able to pass a health care reform bill that couldn't be done by strong presidents such as Teddy Roosevelt, FDR, Truman, Nixon, and Clinton, and do it without a single bit of help from the Republican party is historical!

 

[jillian]

i thought bush was a terrible pres for the most part, although i did vote for him in 2000 because he wasn't al gore. i voted lib in 2004 and in 2008 i didn't vote for POTUS at all.

if you support pres obama,please tell me why you feel he's a better pres than bush was. from where i sit, it's more business as usual, and if anything, it's more cynical than usual, too.

1. intelligent assessment of our security needs and none of the 'don't mess with texas' imbecilic neo-con trash.

2. no tax cuts during wartime which the prior idiot in chief was the only leader in recorded history to do.

3. no railing about 'are you with us or agin us', embarrassing us internationally and alienating our allies.

4. doesn't need to be told there's a problem in the gulf by aid who made DVD of crisis just to get him to look.

5. not trying to make us a theocracy (the only time bush showed up from crawford in the middle of the night was to sign the schiavo bill to pander to the religious right).

6. no one creating our energy policy in the backroom with the heads of oil and auto companies.

7. no pro torture agenda.

8. no karl rove.

9. no dick cheney.

10. no appointment of corporatist rightwingnuts who politicize the constitution to the bench and who appear to be in line to pollute jurisprudence for generations.

i could go on....

but let's end with no phony intel to justify an unnecessary war so he could finish the job his daddy didn't and get back at the guy who wanted to kill his daddy.

 

[rightwinger]

i thought bush was a terrible pres for the most part, although i did vote for him in 2000 because he wasn't al gore. i voted lib in 2004 and in 2008 i didn't vote for POTUS at all.

if you support pres obama,please tell me why you feel he's a better pres than bush was. from where i sit, it's more business as usual, and if anything, it's more cynical than usual, too.

Let me turn the question around and ask you, in what area are we not now better off than we were on the day Obama took office?

Of course we are in a terrible position on many issues, and they all have to do with our inability to face up to our problems. And, no matter who is president, unless we finally do what we'll have to do on such things as Social Security, Medicare, our Health Care delivery system, our dependence on foreign oil, and what seems to be our willingness to cede Green Technology, which is the next great economic growth area, to our competition, we will continue to slide toward following Greece over the economic edge.

But, back to your question, "why you feel he's a better pres than bush was," pick you category...........be it the economy, wall street, health care, or whatever you wish to discuss........as far as we are from being perfect on anything, we are today in a far, far better place than we were on the day Obama took office.

we may or may not be in a far, far better place, but let's stipulate that we are.
what has obama done, aside from not being george bush, that's gotten us here?

OK...where do you want to start?

Economy- Was on the brink of total collapse when Obama took office. Obama propped up the banks and passed the stimulus which reversed the panic. Dow was at 6600 at the worst of the panic and is above 10,000 today. The banks are repaying TARP and the US is showing a profit. Same with GM. Obama stopped the collapse of this vital manufacturing giant and we will show a profit here too.

Healthcare- Legislation was blocked under Bush and passed under Obama

Wars- Obama redirected the emphasis away from Iraq and into Afghanistan

Terrorism- Obama forged an alliance with Pakistan to increase the ground offensive against the Taliban while the US picked up the pace of drone attacks

Nuclear Disarmament- Obama brokered the most significant reduction since Ronald Reagan

 

[KissMy]

Obama puts on better dog & pony shows with bussed in fake oil clean-up crews, paid fake protesters & fake doctors.

Fake Oil Clean-up
Fake Doctors
Doctor & Pony Show
Doctored Props

Shocking, Faux is critical of Obama.

CNN was the one claiming the Oil Clean-up was a dog & pony show
CNN - Anderson Cooper AC-360

 

[Papageorgio]

i thought bush was a terrible pres for the most part, although i did vote for him in 2000 because he wasn't al gore. i voted lib in 2004 and in 2008 i didn't vote for POTUS at all.

if you support pres obama,please tell me why you feel he's a better pres than bush was. from where i sit, it's more business as usual, and if anything, it's more cynical than usual, too.

Obama has a better jumpshot than Bush, other than that, it is more of the same and in some ways worse because Congress seems to follow his spending ideas.

That and his 365 24/7 campaigning he is still into.

 

[HUGGY]

Obama puts on better dog & pony shows with bussed in fake oil clean-up crews, paid fake protesters & fake doctors.

Fake Oil Clean-up
Fake Doctors
Doctor & Pony Show
Doctored Props

Shocking, Faux is critical of Obama.

CNN was the one claiming the Oil Clean-up was a dog & pony show

It is rediculous to call the demonstration of gulf clean up to be a dog and pony show.

The clean unis were probably suggested to make the workers look better for the cameras and to make them feel more presentable to them when in the presence of TPOTUS. So what?

Obviously there is an on-going clean up and the workers and thier uniforms get trashed. To make it seem like the clean up is staged is just hack ignorance.

Jeff Sessions had better call for another investigation!!!!!

 

[rightwinger]

Next on the agenda for President Obama

Repeal of "Don't ask...don't tell"

Another issue Bush refused to touch

 

[del]

Another example of reality going against a slogan is with DADT. He assertively campaigned for repealing it, but has not been as active in pursing that repeal as he had led me to believe. I feel like a violated sheep on this.

He's been pretty active on it, but you're right, it wasn't at the front of the agenda.

He basically has the same draw-down policy in Iraq that Bush did, and I think Bush, like Obama, would've increased troop levels in Afghanistan were he still president. So on those two fronts I don't see much of a difference. Kept Gates, too.

Except that Bush's policy of his last year or so was a full-fledged surrender to the position of Congressional Democrats. Saying "Obama is following the Bush strategy in Iraq" misses that key point.

no, bush's policy of the last year was following the policy promulgated by robert gates (thank god bush finally got a real secdef). i give obama credit for keeping both gates and that policy.

 

[KissMy]

CNN was the one claiming the Oil Clean-up was a dog & pony show

It is rediculous to call the demonstration of gulf clean up to be a dog and pony show.

The clean unis were probably suggested to make the workers look better for the cameras and to make them feel more presentable to them when in the presence of TPOTUS. So what?

Obviously there is an on-going clean up and the workers and thier uniforms get trashed. To make it seem like the clean up is staged is just hack ignorance.

Jeff Sessions had better call for another investigation!!!!!

Your whole premise is a total lie. CNN & Anderson Cooper are Obama supporters. They are not ignorant hacks against Obama. You are the HACK asshole!!!