What came first, white guilt or allowing people to get away with bad behavior because they aren't white?

[1srelluc]

Cashless bail, repeat offenders (usually black) cut loose or pleaded down to nothing compared with what they did....Slack sentencing.

The so-called "white guilt" to allow these weird things to come to pass had to come from somewhere.

Going on three generations have been raised to be civically and socially....Well...."Challenged", to put it kindly....What will it be like when the boomers pass and these "challenged" folks fully take the reigns of power?

I doubt I'll live to see the worst of it but it's coming and it won't be pretty.

Any opinions?

 

[excalibur]

A glimmer of hope.

Thread 'Baltimore sees staggering crime drop as Democratic prosecutor holds repeat offenders accountable'

Dec 11, 2025

Well, we found one Democrat who 'gets it'.

Too bad the Maryland Governor is not such a man.

Baltimore City State’s Attorney Ivan Bates says the days of going easy on repeat offenders are over.

The Democratic prosecutor is promising accountability after years of violent crime in the city, crediting a tougher stance on gun crimes and repeat offenders for a sharp drop in homicides and shootings.

"We realized it’s about the victims," Bates told "Fox & Friends" Wednesday, responding to questioning about soft-on-crime policies adopted by other Democratic prosecutors.

Fox News’ Brian...​

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[1srelluc]

A glimmer of hope.

Thread 'Baltimore sees staggering crime drop as Democratic prosecutor holds repeat offenders accountable'

Dec 11, 2025

Well, we found one Democrat who 'gets it'.

Too bad the Maryland Governor is not such a man.

Baltimore City State’s Attorney Ivan Bates says the days of going easy on repeat offenders are over.

The Democratic prosecutor is promising accountability after years of violent crime in the city, crediting a tougher stance on gun crimes and repeat offenders for a sharp drop in homicides and shootings.

"We realized it’s about the victims," Bates told "Fox & Friends" Wednesday, responding to questioning about soft-on-crime policies adopted by other Democratic prosecutors.

Fox News’ Brian...​

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Yeah, I thought about that one too but it's pretty rare these days.

 

[Meathead]

Cashless bail, repeat offenders (usually black) cut loose or pleaded down to nothing compared with what they did....Slack sentencing.

The so-called "white guilt" to allow these weird things to come to pass had to come from somewhere.

Going on three generations have been raised to be civically and socially....Well...."Challenged", to put it kindly....What will it be like when the boomers pass and these "challenged" folks fully take the reigns of power?

I doubt I'll live to see the worst of it but it's coming and it won't be pretty.

Any opinions?

A + B = AB

 

[citygator]

Cashless bail, repeat offenders (usually black) cut loose or pleaded down to nothing compared with what they did....Slack sentencing.

The so-called "white guilt" to allow these weird things to come to pass had to come from somewhere.

Going on three generations have been raised to be civically and socially....Well...."Challenged", to put it kindly....What will it be like when the boomers pass and these "challenged" folks fully take the reigns of power?

I doubt I'll live to see the worst of it but it's coming and it won't be pretty.

Any opinions?

This post is doing a lot of heavy lifting with stereotypes and no facts.

Every generation complains about the following generations, old man. Boomers said it about Gen X. Gen X said it about Millennials. It’s not prophecy—it’s nostalgia mixed with fear.

Crime today is lower than it was during almost all of the boomer era. If things were supposedly better when “challenged” people had less power, the numbers don’t show it.

Cashless bail is about pre-trial detention, not sentencing. It exists because jailing people before they’re convicted—simply because they’re poor—violates basic due process. Judges still detain people deemed dangerous or a flight risk. Violent crime exceptions are the rule, not the loophole people pretend they are.

If cash bail made us safer, the U.S. (which used it aggressively for decades) wouldn’t have had one of the highest incarceration rates on Earth and higher violent crime than peer nations.

Crime correlates far more strongly with poverty, neighborhood concentration, age, and policing patterns than race. When you control for income and environment, racial differences shrink dramatically.

Also worth noting: white Americans commit the largest number of crimes in the U.S. every year.

Sentencing today (“Slack sentencing”) is not historically lenient. The U.S. still hands out longer sentences than most developed countries for the same offenses. What has changed is a recognition that mandatory minimums and mass incarceration were expensive failures that didn’t reduce crime long-term. Duh. Even conservative states have quietly backed away from those policies because the data didn’t support them.

I am sorry you are having such a tough time in life that demonizing and misstating facts to make yourself feel superior to minority groups is what you have been reduced to. You have my sympathies.

 

[fncceo]

When judges hand down light sentences (they call them rehabilitation-centric) on certain socio-economic offenders, it's not necessarily "white-guilt" behind it.

It is often the racism of lower expectations combined with a sense of paternalism. Another factor is political expedience. A judge in a liberal jurisdiction won't stay a judge very long if they are seen as being intolerant to crime from certain groups in that community.

 

[Meathead]

This post is doing a lot of heavy lifting with stereotypes and no facts.

Every generation complains about the following generations, old man. Boomers said it about Gen X. Gen X said it about Millennials. It’s not prophecy—it’s nostalgia mixed with fear.

Crime today is lower than it was during almost all of the boomer era. If things were supposedly better when “challenged” people had less power, the numbers don’t show it.

Cashless bail is about pre-trial detention, not sentencing. It exists because jailing people before they’re convicted—simply because they’re poor—violates basic due process. Judges still detain people deemed dangerous or a flight risk. Violent crime exceptions are the rule, not the loophole people pretend they are.

If cash bail made us safer, the U.S. (which used it aggressively for decades) wouldn’t have had one of the highest incarceration rates on Earth and higher violent crime than peer nations.

Crime correlates far more strongly with poverty, neighborhood concentration, age, and policing patterns than race. When you control for income and environment, racial differences shrink dramatically.

Also worth noting: white Americans commit the largest number of crimes in the U.S. every year.

Sentencing today (“Slack sentencing”) is not historically lenient. The U.S. still hands out longer sentences than most developed countries for the same offenses. What has changed is a recognition that mandatory minimums and mass incarceration were expensive failures that didn’t reduce crime long-term. Duh. Even conservative states have quietly backed away from those policies because the data didn’t support them.

I am sorry you are having such a tough time in life that demonizing and misstating facts to make yourself feel superior to minority groups is what you have been reduced to. You have my sympathies.

Bullshit, bail is to secure justice.

Criminals are arrested every ******* day on bench warrants by the thousands, usually while committing crimes.

 

[fncceo]

It exists because jailing people before they’re convicted—simply because they’re poor—violates basic due process.

In fact, it doesn't.

A bail hearing which is always before a judge determines the RISK to the community, the risk to witnesses, the risk of them continuing to offend, and the risk of them not returning to court AGAINST the risk that they would likely spend more time in pre-trial than they might receive as a sentence. It is not a hearing about the crime with which they have been accused.

This assessment of risk is made not "beyond a reasonable doubt" but on "the balance of probability", a significantly lower legal bar for evidence.

If the judge determines that those risks are greater than the risk of them spending more time in pre-trial detention, they don't get bail.

 

[citygator]

In fact, it doesn't.

A bail hearing which is always before a judge determines the RISK to the community, the risk to witnesses, the risk of them continuing to offend, and the risk of them not returning to court AGAINST the risk that they would likely spend more time in pre-trial than they might receive as a sentence. It is not a hearing about the crime with which they have been accused.

This assessment of risk is made not "beyond a reasonable doubt" but on "the balance of probability", a significantly lower legal bar for evidence.

If the judge determines that those risks are greater than the risk of them spending more time in pre-trial detention, they don't get bail.

Risks are still able to be managed by the judge. If there is risk NO BAIL is offered. I am not sure what your point is.

 

[citygator]

Bullshit, bail is to secure justice.

Criminals are arrested every ******* day on bench warrants by the thousands, usually while committing crimes.

No. A conviction is to secure justice. A bail is ensure a defendant returns to court. Its not meant to punish, decide guilt, protect the public, or serve as a sentence. The public is protected by judges who holds the accused without bail. If you are a serial killer who has billions to pay bail.. you still dont get bail.

 

[Meathead]

Risks are still able to be managed by the judge. If there is risk NO BAIL is offered. I am not sure what your point is.

For felony charges that could result in conviction and incarceration appearance in court has to be guaranteed.

 

[Meathead]

No. A conviction is to secure justice. A bail is ensure a defendant returns to court. Its not meant to punish, decide guilt, protect the public, or serve as a sentence. The public is protected by judges who holds the accused without bail. If you are a serial killer who has billions to pay bail.. you still dont get bail.

I have no idea where we disagree.

I'll sell you an infinitive since you need one.

 

[citygator]

For felony charges that could result in conviction and incarceration appearance in court has to be guaranteed.

There isnt a rash of no-shows in court that would be solved by money. It's been proven time after time. You wont read them but cliff notes are that cash bails do not impact court appearance rates. Sorry.

New Jerseys Cash Bail Reform Reduced Incarceration Without Increasing Gun Violence, Drexel Study Says

New Jersey’s 2017 cash bail reform law — which eliminated financial barriers to avoiding pretrial detention — successfully reduced the state’s jail population without increasing gun violence, according to a study published this month in JAMA Network Open from researchers at Drexel University’s...

drexel.edu

A Scoping Review of the Relationships Between Cash Bail, Failure to Appear, Re-Arrest, Health and Well-Being, Race, and Gender - American Journal of Criminal Justice

Cash bail has traditionally been used in the United States to prevent defendants from failing to appear in court and from committing additional crimes prior to their hearing. Yet, the inability to afford cash bail has contributed to the expansion of the jail and prison population in the United...

link.springer.com

How Profit Shapes the Bail Bond System

The for-profit bail bond industry is an overlooked but significant factor in pushback against attempts to reform or end the cash bail system.

www.brennancenter.org

 

[Meathead]

I have no idea where we disagree.

I'll sell you an infinitive since you need one.

There isnt a rash of no-shows in court that would be solved by money. It's been proven time after time. You wont read them but cliff notes are that cash bails do not impact court appearance rates. Sorry.

New Jerseys Cash Bail Reform Reduced Incarceration Without Increasing Gun Violence, Drexel Study Says

New Jersey’s 2017 cash bail reform law — which eliminated financial barriers to avoiding pretrial detention — successfully reduced the state’s jail population without increasing gun violence, according to a study published this month in JAMA Network Open from researchers at Drexel University’s...

drexel.edu

A Scoping Review of the Relationships Between Cash Bail, Failure to Appear, Re-Arrest, Health and Well-Being, Race, and Gender - American Journal of Criminal Justice

Cash bail has traditionally been used in the United States to prevent defendants from failing to appear in court and from committing additional crimes prior to their hearing. Yet, the inability to afford cash bail has contributed to the expansion of the jail and prison population in the United...

link.springer.com

How Profit Shapes the Bail Bond System

The for-profit bail bond industry is an overlooked but significant factor in pushback against attempts to reform or end the cash bail system.

www.brennancenter.org

Of course incarceration drops without bail, but then crime increases as do bench warrants resulting ultimately in longer sentences for the same original crime often compounded with additional charges for other crimes.

It ain't rocket science for most of us.

 

[fncceo]

Risks are still able to be managed by the judge.

Judges manage risk with conditions of bail, of which their can be many types. This all depends on the likeliness that the bail applicant will abide by those conditions.

Where they have demonstrated on previous occasions that they will not abide by court-ordered conditions, the judge should (but doesn't always) refuse bail.

 

[LuckyDuck01!]

Cashless bail, repeat offenders (usually black) cut loose or pleaded down to nothing compared with what they did....Slack sentencing.

The so-called "white guilt" to allow these weird things to come to pass had to come from somewhere.

Going on three generations have been raised to be civically and socially....Well...."Challenged", to put it kindly....What will it be like when the boomers pass and these "challenged" folks fully take the reigns of power?

I doubt I'll live to see the worst of it but it's coming and it won't be pretty.

Any opinions?

The left deliberately allowed "violent" offenders to be repeatedly released for the purpose of causing more violence against the general public so that the general public would be easier convinced to ban firearms for everyone, even though the vast, vast majority of firearms owners weren't harming anyone.

 

[1srelluc]

It is often the racism of lower expectations combined with a sense of paternalism.

Ding, ding, ding....Winner, winner, chicken dinner!

 

[citygator]

Bullshit, bail is to secure justice.

Criminals are arrested every ******* day on bench warrants by the thousands, usually while committing crimes.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Bail has NOTHING to do with guilt or justice.

The law is you must be found guilty of a crime by a jury of your peers and are innocent til proven guilty. Bail set ahead of that process cant be justice genius.

We arent Minority Report. You cant predict who will commit a crime. If it is a real risk the judge can hold WITHOUT ANY bail. Why should a psychopath with money be on the streets? He shouldnt.

 

[Meathead]

You have no idea what you are talking about. Bail has NOTHING to do with guilt or justice.

The law is you must be found guilty of a crime by a jury of your peers and are innocent til proven guilty. Bail set ahead of that process cant be justice genius.

We arent Minority Report. You cant predict who will commit a crime. If it is a real risk the judge can hold WITHOUT ANY bail. Why should a psychopath with money be on the streets? He shouldnt.

You really are an idiot. Seriously, you have room temperature IQ in centigrade.

Are you black or a sock for Moonglow?

 

[citygator]

You really are an idiot. Seriously, you have room temperature IQ in centigrade.

Are you black or a sock for Moonglow?

U.S. Supreme Court — Stack v. Boyle (1951) is the clearest and most cited explanation of bail’s purpose:

“The purpose of bail is to assure the presence of the accused at trial.”

The Court explicitly held that bail cannot be used as punishment or set higher than necessary to ensure appearance.

Dude. Its law. You cant make up shit. Feel fee to post your proof. You wont. Its like shooting fish in a barrel here sometimes.