What are Putin's Territorial Ambitions in Ukraine?

[jwoodie]

What are Putin's territorial ambitions in Ukraine? Setting aside the ridiculous assertions that Ukraine is his first step in conquering Europe, what do you think are his actual goals? He could have invaded the entire country, especially with air power, but he chose limited incursions into largely Russian speaking areas. He obviously wants to keep the rest of Ukraine out of NATO, but I don't think he wants to incorporate all of its restive population into Russia proper. This would mean that Ukraine would remain a neutral state with cooperative ties to Russia.

I doubt that Putin wants another Berlin Wall erected across Ukraine, but what sort of "buffer zone" arrangement might be acceptable to him?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Whatever is left of Ukraine, stays neutral and never joins NATO

 

[Kruska]

What are Putin's territorial ambitions in Ukraine? Setting aside the ridiculous assertions that Ukraine is his first step in conquering Europe, what do you think are his actual goals? He could have invaded the entire country, especially with air power, but he chose limited incursions into largely Russian speaking areas. He obviously wants to keep the rest of Ukraine out of NATO, but I don't think he wants to incorporate all of its restive population into Russia proper. This would mean that Ukraine would remain a neutral state with cooperative ties to Russia.

I doubt that Putin wants another Berlin Wall erected across Ukraine, but what sort of "buffer zone" arrangement might be acceptable to him?

According to Putin's own claims and speeches - he wants Ukraine & Transnistria - he clearly has ambitions to absorb Belarus into the Russian Federation and all or parts of Georgia.

He needs the dissolution of NATO (Which Trump is fully supporting) so that he also can get his hands onto the Baltic States.

That's about it - after-all he is already 72 years old and doesn't really look healthy.

 

[Zavulon]

Crimea, Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye are already (according Russian Constitution) parts of the Russian Federation. Other regions of former Ukraine, after de-nazification should have possibility to make their own referendums and self-determinate their way. Highly likely, it will include (may be few years later) Kharkov, Nikolaev, Odessa, Dniepropetrovsk, Sumy, and some other regions, mostly at the east and south of former Ukraine. Biting more than the system can chew without negative consequences hardly can be expected, so it's unlikely more than 2 regions at once.

 

[luiza]

Whatever is left of Ukraine, stays neutral and never joins NATO

As good a way of answering as any other , imho . Part non commital

Feel confident he will try to quickly take Sumy Oblast and then he will surely weigh up Chernhiv and Poltava .

But he will surely have to weigh up the consequences extremely cautiously of moving to take Odessa , and hence the full southern coast and ports .

US and NATO cannot beat him in open conflict but if they were to exceed all likely expectations, they might prevent Moscow advancing that far and at great cost to both sides .


Are there any extra real sanctions that could be applied against Russia?
I do not know .
But never lose sight of it all being Theatre, if both Pooters and Trumpfy are Deep State and more interested in the longer game .

 

[Zincwarrior]

What are Putin's territorial ambitions in Ukraine?

Er...Ukraine. Who doesn't know this?

 

[ThirdTerm]

Putin wants the United States to formally recognize Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye and Kherson, as well as Crimea, as Russian territory. Putin will not claim the Ukrainian port city of Odessa or any other Ukrainian territory, according to the Kommersant report.

Putin may well get what he wants in Ukraine

The Russian president is quite close to drawing a thick red line in Eastern Europe that the West will have to respect.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Zavulon]

Putin wants the United States to formally recognize Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporozhye and Kherson, as well as Crimea, as Russian territory. Putin will not claim the Ukrainian port city of Odessa or any other Ukrainian territory, according to the Kommersant report.

Putin may well get what he wants in Ukraine

The Russian president is quite close to drawing a thick red line in Eastern Europe that the West will have to respect.

www.aljazeera.com

Yes, of course he doesn't claim. But, after de-nazification of Ukraine, Odessa People Republic (as well as some other former regions) will try to join Russian Federation.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

I don't think Ukraine and the European Union support as well as the Baltic States, Georgia, Belarus, etc., any of what Putin wants.

Poland and Ukraine want parts of western Russia.

 

[JWBooth]

What are Putin's Territorial Ambitions in Ukraine?​

Putin has never made it a secret, he has been consistent every time the subject has come up, Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye.

I don’t know why he limited himself thus. Everything east of the Dnieper and Odessa only make sense given the effort so far.

 

[Zavulon]

I don't think Ukraine and the European Union support as well as the Baltic States, Georgia, Belarus, etc., any of what Putin wants.

Poland and Ukraine want parts of western Russia.

And who cares about what Ukrainian and/or European politicians want?

 

[Zavulon]

What are Putin's Territorial Ambitions in Ukraine?​

Putin has never made it a secret, he has been consistent every time the subject has come up, Crimea, Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporozhye.

I don’t know why he limited himself thus. Everything east of the Dnieper and Odessa only make sense given the effort so far.

Why he is that limited? Its simple. If you annex territory with 2 mln population, in which 90% support that annexation, it means that you have 10 other percents - 200K, who don't support it. And 200K potential terrorists (or even 10K) - its a potential problem even with all those new technologies. So, its better to solve them slowly but steadily. Step by step. Without biting more than you can chew.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Maybe 5% of the population of the four oblasts want to join Russia, maybe less.

 

[Zavulon]

Maybe 5% of the population of the four oblasts want to join Russia, maybe less.

Who said you this? Zelenskiy?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Who said you this? Zelenskiy?

Use 'Who told you this?'

 

[Zavulon]

Use 'Who told you this?'

Thanks. Who told you this?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

None of your business.

 

[Zavulon]

None of your business.

Ok. I'll take it as "voices in my head told me this".

 

[eagle1462010]

What are Putin's territorial ambitions in Ukraine? Setting aside the ridiculous assertions that Ukraine is his first step in conquering Europe, what do you think are his actual goals? He could have invaded the entire country, especially with air power, but he chose limited incursions into largely Russian speaking areas. He obviously wants to keep the rest of Ukraine out of NATO, but I don't think he wants to incorporate all of its restive population into Russia proper. This would mean that Ukraine would remain a neutral state with cooperative ties to Russia.

I doubt that Putin wants another Berlin Wall erected across Ukraine, but what sort of "buffer zone" arrangement might be acceptable to him?

Institute for the Study of War

 

[eagle1462010]

Crimea, Donbass, Kherson and Zaporozhye are already (according Russian Constitution) parts of the Russian Federation. Other regions of former Ukraine, after de-nazification should have possibility to make their own referendums and self-determinate their way. Highly likely, it will include (may be few years later) Kharkov, Nikolaev, Odessa, Dniepropetrovsk, Sumy, and some other regions, mostly at the east and south of former Ukraine. Biting more than the system can chew without negative consequences hardly can be expected, so it's unlikely more than 2 regions at once.

Beach front property taken by force Ivan.

This works 2 ways. You keep pushing you WILL GET WAR WITH NATO.

If that is what you want fire on Poland and lets get it over with.