Welfare equivalent to $50,000 a year job in many states

[Ray From Cleveland]

You're out of touch with reality. You being in your early 60s, will most likely see completely autonomous trucks by the time you're 70, 75 at the most. The early to mid-2030s, about 10 to 12 years from now. Eventually, there will be autonomous truck convoys transporting goods on our highways, monitored by artificial intelligence, with a few people in a remote location looking at some big computer flat screens on the wall, telling them where all of the truck convoys are and how they're doing. Even if that is 20 or 30+ years away, that's still an undiscernible "bleep" in history. What're twenty, thirty, or even forty years? Nothing.

Eventually, no matter how much you try to postpone the inevitable adoption of a non-profit system of production, it will come, knocking on our door. Inevitably, we will be forced due to advanced technology, to adopt a democratic form of socialism and communism. It won't be Soviet-style communism or what you had in Poland under the USSR. But nonetheless, it will be an American, democratic form of communism. That's inevitable.

Independent posted that he wants the government to intervene and make complete automation illegal. That's an example of capitalism, undermining human progress by using the government to criminalize an activity that forces the market to take a certain course. The "free market" itself naturally leads to extreme efficiency in production, eliminating the need for human wage labor. Capitalism cancels itself out, it eliminates itself, creating the technology that makes production "hands-free", and low-cost. A robot can work, 24/7, without getting sick, or complaining about wages, or bad conditions in the workplace. Robots don't unionize and cause trouble for capitalists. What might begin as a spiteful "fuck you" to the working class by capitalists, ends with the demise of capitalism, due to the lack of wage labor.

No wage labor = no paying consumer = no capitalism.




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Understood but these advancements have been going on for 30 years or more, and look at us today, a huge labor shortage. When some jobs close down, others open up or expand. Growing up nobody used a lawn care service in our neighborhood. As people decided they didn't want to take care of their lawns and yard, landscaping became very popular. Now most people use them. Want a big mac meal but too lazy to get it yourself? No problem, call Uber eats. They'll pickup your order and deliver it to your door. Same holds true of your grocery store. Give them a call or go online, choose what you wish to buy, and they too will deliver it to your door. Same with your drug stores as well.

I've been a landlord for 30 years, and the last ten years have never been better for us. Supply and demand sent rental prices through the roof. How did this happen? People decided they don't want to deal with home ownership anymore. If the hot water stops working, you have a water leak under your kitchen sink, a light stops working, people don't want to call around for a reasonably priced repairman. They want to make one call, and that's to the landlord to get their problems solved.

Yes, we've lost millions of jobs thanks to automation and will continue to lose millions more. But we will also create more jobs as people are wanting more convenience in their lives and willing to pay for it.

 

[Red Front]

Understood but these advancements have been going on for 30 years or more, and look at us today, a huge labor shortage. When some jobs close down, others open up or expand. Growing up nobody used a lawn care service in our neighborhood. As people decided they didn't want to take care of their lawns and yard, landscaping became very popular. Now most people use them. Want a big mac meal but too lazy to get it yourself? No problem, call Uber eats. They'll pickup your order and deliver it to your door. Same holds true of your grocery store. Give them a call or go online, choose what you wish to buy, and they too will deliver it to your door. Same with your drug stores as well.

I've been a landlord for 30 years, and the last ten years have never been better for us. Supply and demand sent rental prices through the roof. How did this happen? People decided they don't want to deal with home ownership anymore. If the hot water stops working, you have a water leak under your kitchen sink, a light stops working, people don't want to call around for a reasonably priced repairman. They want to make one call, and that's to the landlord to get their problems solved.

Yes, we've lost millions of jobs thanks to automation and will continue to lose millions more. But we will also create more jobs as people are wanting more convenience in their lives and willing to pay for it.

I agree with some of what you're saying, but you don't have a clear view of the type of technology we have available today and where that is leading in the not-too-distant future. It's not the same type of automation or robotics that we had thirty or forty years ago. New jobs and industries will be created, yes indeed, but they won't be able to replace the tens of millions of jobs that are going to be lost by advanced automation. Not everyone can become a robot repair-tech, and even that job will be lost when the automation repairs itself. Robots with artificial intelligence will maintain and repair themselves. Eventually, capitalism and its markets will become superfluous.

The capitalists in their insatiable pursuit of profits are competing with one another for market share and that involves making production as efficient as possible. Lowering the cost of doing business i.e. the "overhead", in order to increase profits. As a capitalist, you want to produce and deliver the product at the lowest cost possible, to increase your profits, without compromising quality or your competitive edge. One of the major expenses, liabilities, and headaches ("pains in the butts") that capitalists have, is their human labor. Their employees (exploitees).

Employers (exploiters), are forced due to the nature of the market, to compete for market share with other capitalists and if their competition replaces half of their employees with robots, then they have to do the same or more. Capitalists create the conditions by competing with other capitalists for market share, for the public ownership of the means of production. They make themselves i.e. capitalists and capitalism, superfluous through advanced automation technology.

Look Ray, if the working class fails to get this, ironically, it will be the capitalists who will adopt a non-profit system of production. The capitalist themselves will adopt a democratic form of communism, among themselves, and consign the rest of the population to slavery or the compost heap. People are worthless under a capitalist-run system if they're not employed by a capitalist employer or don't have a business (aren't a capitalist themselves). The wealthy owners of the robots, of the advanced automation technology, will organize themselves (the members of their own socioeconomic class), into a society that produces everything that they consume, without profits, employing advanced technology (not human beings), creating a democratic high-tech communist society. Those who aren't wealthy or don't own any robots, will be completely useless to the wealthy capitalist class, and hence will either become slaves or compost. Again, ironically, it's the rich capitalists who own the technology that will become the communists. This is crazy but it's true.

Hopefully the American working class, the public, will wake up in a good way. Not waking up with purple hair and a syringe full of puberty blockers, but a good awakening, because if the American public fails to do so, it will be rendered worthless by advanced technology and the rich tech-lords will become the communists.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I agree with some of what you're saying, but you don't have a clear view of the type of technology we have available today and where that is leading in the not-too-distant future. It's not the same type of automation or robotics that we had thirty or forty years ago. New jobs and industries will be created, yes indeed, but they won't be able to replace the tens of millions of jobs that are going to be lost by advanced automation. Not everyone can become a robot repair-tech, and even that job will be lost when the automation repairs itself. Robots with artificial intelligence will maintain and repair themselves. Eventually, capitalism and its markets will become superfluous.

The capitalists in their insatiable pursuit of profits are competing with one another for market share and that involves making production as efficient as possible. Lowering the cost of doing business i.e. the "overhead", in order to increase profits. As a capitalist, you want to produce and deliver the product at the lowest cost possible, to increase your profits, without compromising quality or your competitive edge. One of the major expenses, liabilities, and headaches ("pains in the butts") that capitalists have, is their human labor. Their employees (exploitees).

Employers (exploiters), are forced due to the nature of the market, to compete for market share with other capitalists and if their competition replaces half of their employees with robots, then they have to do the same or more. Capitalists create the conditions by competing with other capitalists for market share, for the public ownership of the means of production. They make themselves i.e. capitalists and capitalism, superfluous through advanced automation technology.

Look Ray, if the working class fails to get this, ironically, it will be the capitalists who will adopt a non-profit system of production. The capitalist themselves will adopt a democratic form of communism, among themselves, and consign the rest of the population to slavery or the compost heap. People are worthless under a capitalist-run system if they're not employed by a capitalist employer or don't have a business (aren't a capitalist themselves). The wealthy owners of the robots, of the advanced automation technology, will organize themselves (the members of their own socioeconomic class), into a society that produces everything that they consume, without profits, employing advanced technology (not human beings), creating a democratic high-tech communist society. Those who aren't wealthy or don't own any robots, will be completely useless to the wealthy capitalist class, and hence will either become slaves or compost. Again, ironically, it's the rich capitalists who own the technology that will become the communists. This is crazy but it's true.

Hopefully the American working class, the public, will wake up in a good way. Not waking up with purple hair and a syringe full of puberty blockers, but a good awakening, because if the American public fails to do so, it will be rendered worthless by advanced technology and the rich tech-lords will become the communists.

Nobody is going to become Communist via capitalism. Industry only invests in automation when it's cheaper than human labor. These machines are not available through Amazon. These things cost millions of dollars depending on what it needs to do. And they need maintenance and the repairs are costly.

The former company I worked for delivered to a lot of plastic molding places. The robotics are amazing, but after I found out what it takes to buy and maintain them, I was shocked myself. One place made plastic flashlights for Eveready. Like humans, machines F-up too. They threw away 25 pallets of bad flashlights because the machine goofed and it wasn't caught until QC found a problem. It was a small problem, but one where the customer would send the stuff back. That's a hell of a lot of plastic they had to throw away at their own expense. The supervisor told me before they bought these machines, a human press operator would have known of the problem right away. And guess what? After that huge investment, they lost the contract to China anyway.

 

[Red Front]

Nobody is going to become Communist via capitalism. Industry only invests in automation when it's cheaper than human labor. These machines are not available through Amazon. These things cost millions of dollars depending on what it needs to do. And they need maintenance and the repairs are costly.

The former company I worked for delivered to a lot of plastic molding places. The robotics are amazing, but after I found out what it takes to buy and maintain them, I was shocked myself. One place made plastic flashlights for Eveready. Like humans, machines F-up too. They threw away 25 pallets of bad flashlights because the machine goofed and it wasn't caught until QC found a problem. It was a small problem, but one where the customer would send the stuff back. That's a hell of a lot of plastic they had to throw away at their own expense. The supervisor told me before they bought these machines, a human press operator would have known of the problem right away. And guess what? After that huge investment, they lost the contract to China anyway.

To the extent that it is cheaper to hire a human being than use a robot or autonomous machine, there will be jobs and capitalism will continue. As this technology continues to advance, more jobs will be lost and eventually, society will have to re-organize its production, adopting a non-profit system centered on the use value of what is produced, rather than its market value/profitability. That's the discrete and nice way of saying "communism". If you believe this technology isn't eventually going to replace human wage labor at a massive skill within the next forty years, you're out of touch with what is happening.

 

[Red Front]

To the extent that it is cheaper to hire a human being than use a robot or autonomous machine, there will be jobs and capitalism will continue. As this technology continues to advance, more jobs will be lost and eventually, society will have to re-organize its production, adopting a non-profit system centered on the use value of what is produced, rather than its market value/profitability. That's the discrete and nice way of saying "communism". If you believe this technology isn't eventually going to replace human wage labor at a massive skill within the next forty years, you're out of touch with what is happening.

"massive scale". Fucking typos.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

To the extent that it is cheaper to hire a human being than use a robot or autonomous machine, there will be jobs and capitalism will continue. As this technology continues to advance, more jobs will be lost and eventually, society will have to re-organize its production, adopting a non-profit system centered on the use value of what is produced, rather than its market value/profitability. That's the discrete and nice way of saying "communism". If you believe this technology isn't eventually going to replace human wage labor at a massive skill within the next forty years, you're out of touch with what is happening.

To be honest this was a concern for a lot of people 30 years ago. What are we going to do with all these people that used to do these jobs? Well we created different jobs at the same time. Computers took over phone operators. What did they do? They had to find a different line of work. You virtually cant call any business today where you're not screened by a computer first, and worse, one that uses voice recognition. If you need a human to discuss a problem or situation, after ten minutes of trying to get the computer to send you to a customer service rep, it sends the call to India or somewhere and that's who you discuss the problem with. It happened to me last night when my DVR started acting up and I had to call AT&T. The foreign dummy didn't even know what she was doing. I was telling her what was on my screen, and you could hear her thinking out loud as she was scrolling down her list of error messages and she couldn't find what my message was.

 

[Red Front]

To be honest this was a concern for a lot of people 30 years ago. What are we going to do with all these people that used to do these jobs? Well we created different jobs at the same time. Computers took over phone operators. What did they do? They had to find a different line of work. You virtually cant call any business today where you're not screened by a computer first, and worse, one that uses voice recognition. If you need a human to discuss a problem or situation, after ten minutes of trying to get the computer to send you to a customer service rep, it sends the call to India or somewhere and that's who you discuss the problem with. It happened to me last night when my DVR started acting up and I had to call AT&T. The foreign dummy didn't even know what she was doing. I was telling her what was on my screen, and you could hear her thinking out loud as she was scrolling down her list of error messages and she couldn't find what my message was.

There will come a point where there aren't enough jobs or people working for a wage, due to advanced automation. When we reach around 25% unemployment as a result of automation, that's when we'll see the beginning of the end of capitalism and the beginning of non-profit production and public ownership of the "means of production", the technology, and facilities. etc, will be owned by everyone collectively.

You don't realize how advanced and capable artificial intelligence is and what modern automation can do. It can now practically, with few exceptions do everything. There aren't enough new jobs or industries that will be created to replace the ones lost. You just can't get yourself to admit where this technology is heading and that's fine. Maybe you'll live long enough to see it. It's ten to twenty years away, at the most.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There will come a point where there aren't enough jobs or people working for a wage, due to advanced automation. When we reach around 25% unemployment as a result of automation, that's when we'll see the beginning of the end of capitalism and the beginning of non-profit production and public ownership of the "means of production", the technology, and facilities. etc, will be owned by everyone collectively.

You don't realize how advanced and capable artificial intelligence is and what modern automation can do. It can now practically, with few exceptions do everything. There aren't enough new jobs or industries that will be created to replace the ones lost. You just can't get yourself to admit where this technology is heading and that's fine. Maybe you'll live long enough to see it. It's ten to twenty years away, at the most.

Nope. I won't be here. the docs say maybe another year or two, and anything after that will be a bonus unless they find a spectacular cure for cancer in that time.

As a blue collar worker I used to get worried about things like automation years ago. I figured if people lose jobs they will be coming to my line of work lowering my wages because of too much supply and not enough demand. Of course it never happened. Just the opposite did.

As time went on more and more younger people prepared for the future by attending college. When I was in high school, you could get a really great paying blue collar job. We were a steel town with multiple auto plants within 50 miles of the city. So maybe out of a class of 35, perhaps 7 or 8 actually went to college. Today, most of the class does.

Automation will never replace people in the construction trade. Going back to our earlier conversation it will never replace truck drivers either. Even if they are not driving, you have to have a licensed driver in the truck and pay him or her whether they are driving or not. And as I said, trucks automation will never be able to do city and road driving. Too much calculation that can only be done by a human being. And trust me on this as I drove T/T for 30 years.

 

[Red Front]

Nope. I won't be here. the docs say maybe another year or two, and anything after that will be a bonus unless they find a spectacular cure for cancer in that time.

As a blue collar worker I used to get worried about things like automation years ago. I figured if people lose jobs they will be coming to my line of work lowering my wages because of too much supply and not enough demand. Of course it never happened. Just the opposite did.

As time went on more and more younger people prepared for the future by attending college. When I was in high school, you could get a really great paying blue collar job. We were a steel town with multiple auto plants within 50 miles of the city. So maybe out of a class of 35, perhaps 7 or 8 actually went to college. Today, most of the class does.

Automation will never replace people in the construction trade. Going back to our earlier conversation it will never replace truck drivers either. Even if they are not driving, you have to have a licensed driver in the truck and pay him or her whether they are driving or not. And as I said, trucks automation will never be able to do city and road driving. Too much calculation that can only be done by a human being. And trust me on this as I drove T/T for 30 years.

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Have you tried immunotherapy or anything to do with CRISPR-based genetic therapy?

Check this out:

Check this out..



Look how cannabis cures skin cancer and other cancers:




High Dose Vitamin C via IV:




Another treatment involves a hypobaric chamber:



Also the following diet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=42qdqjF4OKk

Throw the kitchen sink at it. I would try everything above. I hope you get better.




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[Ray From Cleveland]

Have you tried immunotherapy or anything to do with CRISPR-based genetic therapy?

Check this out:

Too far gone. Stage 4 in the colon, spread to the liver and a little to the lung. I'm being treated at the world famous Cleveland Clinic, so I'm sure I'm getting the highest tech care anybody has to offer.

 

[Red Front]

Too far gone. Stage 4 in the colon, spread to the liver and a little to the lung. I'm being treated at the world famous Cleveland Clinic, so I'm sure I'm getting the highest tech care anybody has to offer.

No, you're not too far gone. as long as you have breath there is hope. I would throw the kitchen sink at it, and try immunotherapy and everything else that might help control, even cure it. But it's up to you, no one can force you to do anything. See what experimental treatment you can join, with immunotherapy or DNA therapy. Watch the video on how cannabis oil has eliminated a lot of cancers.

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Go to a medical marijuana dispensary and buy some THC oil. Also, get some raw cannabis plants and juice them. Adopt a high-nutrient plant-based diet:

If you have the money, get one of these:

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KETOSIS is the opposite of a plant-based diet. You fill your body with ketones when you deprive it of all carbs or sugars. Those ketones have been proven to kill cancer and when combined with hyperbaric oxygen therapy, it is even more effective. A whole-foods, plant-based diet is very good in controlling cancer growth, but if that doesn't work, I would try ketosis as a last resort. Ketosis can also be achieved through water fasting.

I would try it all, the traditional route and all of the above. But again, it's up to you.


This can be very effective. Starving the cancer:





Starve the son of a bitch.

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[Red Front]

Too far gone. Stage 4 in the colon, spread to the liver and a little to the lung. I'm being treated at the world famous Cleveland Clinic, so I'm sure I'm getting the highest tech care anybody has to offer.

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The BEST FOODS That Heal The Body & STARVE Cancer! | Dr. William Li​

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