we need to address the disparity in “ownership and equity” in the United States...

[thereisnospoon]

"Marxist tool......... "
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Why is it that you're in such a big denial that there is truly a wealth gap? It's a fact that the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer.
As I have not yet reached my 15 post minimum posts, I am not allowed to post links, so let's try this:
Go to Google, use the following words in Google's Advanced Search
"15 Mind-Blowing Facts About Wealth And Inequality In America", there you will find easy to understand graphs.
Also put this in a Google Advanced Search from the Minneapolis Federal Reserve Bank, "Dimensions of Inequality:Facts on the U.S. Distributionsof Earnings, Income, and Wealth".

You people keep harping on the "wealth gap"..This was the same old song during the Bush 41 years. This was the main plank in Wm Clinton's platoform for his campaign for president. Class envy. It worked. Once Clinton was in office ,his advisors were smart enough to stay out of things economic and VOILA!! The economy of the US boomed in the early to mid 90's, sagged during ther dot com bust and then zoomed away again all the way into the mid 2000's.
Anyway , what is your solution to the so-called "wealth gap"? What would you like to see done about it?

 

[skookerasbil]

In her latest stunning declaration, San Francisco socialist Nancy Pelosi told the Steelworkers Union on Monday, that we need to address the disparity in “ownership and equity” in the United States.
Click on Image for Video–

“We’re talking about addressing the disparity of income where the wealthy people continue to get wealthier and some other people are falling out of the middle class when we want to bring many more people into the middle class. But that disparity is not just about wages alone, that disparity is about ownership and equity. It’s all about fairness in our country,”

Thank God after January, we dont have to see her hideous face ever again!!!

 

[daveman]

And the people who set up and support the present system do so not out of concern for the people they're trying to "help", but in order to gain and consolidate political power.

I agree. And would like to add to the "pot" the almighty green!

It's only going to change if WE all become very involved with our congressional reps. We must hold them accountable in every district throughtout the US. Most people don't even know what district they reside in nor do they know who reps them in DC. I'm fortunate that the people who live in my district have banded together to unseat our current rep. Once that happens on Nov 2nd, the guy we vote in, is already prepared to begin to answer and work for his constituants. We let him know early on, he can run, but he can't hide from us. I really urge everyone to not just assume that their rep has their best interests at heart. We have to "police" them every step of the way. And if they let us down...then one session is all they'll have. It must start at the local level...in every disctrict.

Yes indeed.

 

[daveman]

If we don't have social programs that foster stable families and the health of the population we'd be a third-world country right now.

But we don't. Thanks to the Left, we have a welfare system that encourages women to have multiple children out of wedlock.

Welfare transfer payments have created a permanent underclass of under employed and entitlement mentality people.

Yes. The Left would rather give a man a government fish every day. The Right would rather teach him to fish so he can catch his own.

 

[midcan5]

So many assumptions so many deeply ingrained myths so little time....

"What is called sound economics is very often what mirrors the needs of the respectably affluent." J. K. Galbraith

The Brits offer another example. Subscription is free.

"There is a sense of injustice in modern society, and this induces a feeling of instability even in normal circumstances. The rewards are not in keeping with social worth, and the consciousness of this, both among the successful and the unsuccessful, will simmer and bubble, blowing up into geysers of political and social disturbance in times of economic stress." Nye Bevan

FT.com / UK - Rise of 'casino capitalism' shakes faith of moderate Monks


"All this is too important to be left to the practitioners who have a vested interest in obscuring what they do from the rest of us,... And, with bonus season fast approaching, he took one final, sweeping aim at the high rollers of "casino capitalism". Their actions are "dangerous to economic stability, traditional industry and jobs", he said. "I would like to see the City pages of the press more challenging and less respectful on these matters . . . Our future - the world's future - is too important to place in the hands of the new capitalists." John Monks



"For most of the population of the United States, the quarter century from 1980 to 2005 was an era in which they became far less secure economically, and the decrease in security affected their lives and political attitudes," he writes. "It is important to note that this decrease was the result of conscious policy, not the accidental workings of the market."" Seth Sandronsky: The US Economy Since 1980

 

[Capitalist]

So many assumptions so many deeply ingrained myths so little time....

"What is called sound economics is very often what mirrors the needs of the respectably affluent." J. K. Galbraith

The Brits offer another example. Subscription is free.

"There is a sense of injustice in modern society, and this induces a feeling of instability even in normal circumstances. The rewards are not in keeping with social worth, and the consciousness of this, both among the successful and the unsuccessful, will simmer and bubble, blowing up into geysers of political and social disturbance in times of economic stress." Nye Bevan

FT.com / UK - Rise of 'casino capitalism' shakes faith of moderate Monks


"All this is too important to be left to the practitioners who have a vested interest in obscuring what they do from the rest of us,... And, with bonus season fast approaching, he took one final, sweeping aim at the high rollers of "casino capitalism". Their actions are "dangerous to economic stability, traditional industry and jobs", he said. "I would like to see the City pages of the press more challenging and less respectful on these matters . . . Our future - the world's future - is too important to place in the hands of the new capitalists." John Monks



"For most of the population of the United States, the quarter century from 1980 to 2005 was an era in which they became far less secure economically, and the decrease in security affected their lives and political attitudes," he writes. "It is important to note that this decrease was the result of conscious policy, not the accidental workings of the market."" Seth Sandronsky: The US Economy Since 1980

As government takes more control of our economic affairs, businesses are forced to lobby Washington – not to reap unearned rewards, but to protect themselves from looters like you. Without private property rights we have no rights. I prefer freedom..........

 

[editec]

The reason the superwealthy are superwealthy can usually be traced back to their connections to government.

AFter all, the market is designed and modified by the government policies and laws.

The last thing the superwealthy really want is a level playing field without government interference working on their behalf.

I'm not sure that such a thing as a level playing field can really exist in a modern society, anyway, but there are issues of the DEGREE to which grant some of us advantages, and personally, I think we've gone overboard thanks to SUPPLY SIDE economic policies.

We are in a DEPRESSION right now, because of the pernicious long term effects of income and asset inequity that were advanced by government policies and tax laws over at least the last 40 years.

 

[Capitalist]

The reason the superwealthy are superwealthy can usually be traced back to their connections to government.

AFter all, the market is designed and modified by the government policies and laws.

The last thing the superwealthy really want is a level playing field without government interference working on their behalf.

I'm not sure that such a thing as a level playing field can really exist in a modern society, anyway, but there are issues of the DEGREE to which grant some of us advantages, and personally, I think we've gone overboard thanks to SUPPLY SIDE economic policies.

We are in a DEPRESSION right now, because of the pernicious long term effects of income and asset inequity that were advanced by government policies and tax laws over at least the last 40 years.

With the mixed economy dictated by statism what should we expect.
Keep government with it's orgy of government authority, power-lusting politicians and debt away from business, period........
BTW
Profit is a virtue.

 

[asterism]

If we don't have social programs that foster stable families and the health of the population we'd be a third-world country right now.

But we don't. Thanks to the Left, we have a welfare system that encourages women to have multiple children out of wedlock.

This is absolutely true. We have a social system that encourages irreponsibility, single parenthood that dooms millions of children to poverty, that discourages marriage, that encourages dependency, that discourages traditional values which in turn encourages antisocial behavior.

We once had a social system that encouraged entreprenourship, innovation, accomplishment, and valued personal responsibility and accountability. We once had a social system with ideals and values that encouraged charity and offering a hand up to folks, but who did not diminish or demean them with assumptions that they aren't smart or capable enough to do something for themselves.

I'm all for an expensive, generous, and effective safety net with more bounce than cushion. I oppose it being a "hammock."

--Hat Tip to Boogs

 

[asterism]

"For most of the population of the United States, the quarter century from 1980 to 2005 was an era in which they became far less secure economically, and the decrease in security affected their lives and political attitudes," he writes. "It is important to note that this decrease was the result of conscious policy, not the accidental workings of the market."" Seth Sandronsky: The US Economy Since 1980

What is your opinion on the decline of the national savings rate? Seems to have a lot to do with economic security.

 

[Vanquish]

#1 The education would be even worse WITHOUT the U.S. Dept of Education

#2 There's nothing intrinsic about the government that makes it bad at fostering education.

#3 THe welfare myth is just that...a myth. I've already posted info on the fact, but apparently it got sidestepped above. I know you all think that lazy bums are the reason why the country is in the tank, but it's not. It's bad government.

I'm not saying there aren't lazy bums, but they're not the huge problem you're making them out to be in this thread.

Let me go back to #2 and #3. If the government can't get anything right...ever...then you're for anarchy. You're to the point that you think the entire country has totally degraded to where nothing we can do together ever matters.

That's pretty sad, really.

 

[Cecilie1200]

One of the reasons cited in that link, why the middle class is dissappearing, was too much government involvement, not too little. i.e. the government passing more and more regulations that make it more difficult for companies to do business here, so they move overseas to do business.

You've got that right. You could make a full-time job just out of handling the red tape involved in starting a new business, without any of the work involved in actually running the business. And nowadays, if you're trying to run even a small, two-person business without a CPA on retainer, you're crazy. The financial and tax regs will land your ass in hock in no time.

 

[PLYMCO_PILGRIM]

#1 The education would be even worse WITHOUT the U.S. Dept of Education

#2 There's nothing intrinsic about the government that makes it bad at fostering education.

#3 THe welfare myth is just that...a myth. I've already posted info on the fact, but apparently it got sidestepped above. I know you all think that lazy bums are the reason why the country is in the tank, but it's not. It's bad government.

I'm not saying there aren't lazy bums, but they're not the huge problem you're making them out to be in this thread.

Let me go back to #2 and #3. If the government can't get anything right...ever...then you're for anarchy. You're to the point that you think the entire country has totally degraded to where nothing we can do together ever matters.

That's pretty sad, really.

Lets go one at a time. Do you have evidence to back up your claim #1?

 

[Cecilie1200]

So many assumptions so many deeply ingrained myths so little time....

"What is called sound economics is very often what mirrors the needs of the respectably affluent." J. K. Galbraith

The Brits offer another example. Subscription is free.

"There is a sense of injustice in modern society, and this induces a feeling of instability even in normal circumstances. The rewards are not in keeping with social worth, and the consciousness of this, both among the successful and the unsuccessful, will simmer and bubble, blowing up into geysers of political and social disturbance in times of economic stress." Nye Bevan

FT.com / UK - Rise of 'casino capitalism' shakes faith of moderate Monks


"All this is too important to be left to the practitioners who have a vested interest in obscuring what they do from the rest of us,... And, with bonus season fast approaching, he took one final, sweeping aim at the high rollers of "casino capitalism". Their actions are "dangerous to economic stability, traditional industry and jobs", he said. "I would like to see the City pages of the press more challenging and less respectful on these matters . . . Our future - the world's future - is too important to place in the hands of the new capitalists." John Monks



"For most of the population of the United States, the quarter century from 1980 to 2005 was an era in which they became far less secure economically, and the decrease in security affected their lives and political attitudes," he writes. "It is important to note that this decrease was the result of conscious policy, not the accidental workings of the market."" Seth Sandronsky: The US Economy Since 1980

Here's the most relevant question about your post: Why the fuck am I supposed to listen to any of these people?

 

[Cecilie1200]

#1 The education would be even worse WITHOUT the U.S. Dept of Education

#2 There's nothing intrinsic about the government that makes it bad at fostering education.

#3 THe welfare myth is just that...a myth. I've already posted info on the fact, but apparently it got sidestepped above. I know you all think that lazy bums are the reason why the country is in the tank, but it's not. It's bad government.

I'm not saying there aren't lazy bums, but they're not the huge problem you're making them out to be in this thread.

Let me go back to #2 and #3. If the government can't get anything right...ever...then you're for anarchy. You're to the point that you think the entire country has totally degraded to where nothing we can do together ever matters.

That's pretty sad, really.

1) Prove it.
2) Prove it.
3) Of course it got ignored. "Proof" from biased, agenda-driven propaganda sites usually is.

No one is saying the government can't do anything right. The government is suited to handling certain types of jobs, and abysmal at doing jobs it's not designed for.

 

[saveliberty]

#1 The education would be even worse WITHOUT the U.S. Dept of Education

#2 There's nothing intrinsic about the government that makes it bad at fostering education.

#3 THe welfare myth is just that...a myth. I've already posted info on the fact, but apparently it got sidestepped above. I know you all think that lazy bums are the reason why the country is in the tank, but it's not. It's bad government.

I'm not saying there aren't lazy bums, but they're not the huge problem you're making them out to be in this thread.

Let me go back to #2 and #3. If the government can't get anything right...ever...then you're for anarchy. You're to the point that you think the entire country has totally degraded to where nothing we can do together ever matters.

That's pretty sad, really.

Education is hurt by the huge influence of teacher lobbyists, making schools responsible for student success instead of parents and students and spending far too much in resources on the bottom third of students.

About 50% of our citizenry pay no taxes yet represent a huge part of the entitlements. That is pretty lazy, if you ask me. Bad government exists because of lazy citizens.

 

[Big Fitz]

In her latest stunning declaration, San Francisco socialist Nancy Pelosi told the Steelworkers Union on Monday, that we need to address the disparity in “ownership and equity” in the United States.
Click on Image for Video–

“We’re talking about addressing the disparity of income where the wealthy people continue to get wealthier and some other people are falling out of the middle class when we want to bring many more people into the middle class. But that disparity is not just about wages alone, that disparity is about ownership and equity. It’s all about fairness in our country,”

I believe if we are going to defund the rich, we should do it in stages, starting with proponants of the idea.

I think it would be fun to see George Soros forced to only live on his gubmint alotted $35,000/year. Envision Arianna Huffington on less than 50k a year. Or Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, the Kennedys, P-BO, Mark Dayton, and every hollywood marxist in the bunch. A regular laugh riot

If we're gonna do this, let's fuck over the proper people first. Once we see how well it works, we can decide if we want to move it to everyone else in stage two.

 

[Big Fitz]

But we don't. Thanks to the Left, we have a welfare system that encourages women to have multiple children out of wedlock.

Welfare transfer payments have created a permanent underclass of under employed and entitlement mentality people.

Yes. The Left would rather give a man a government fish every day. The Right would rather teach him to fish so he can catch his own.

Due to budget cuts, it will be one fish every other day for a family of less than 3, gets two fishes every three days for a family of 4 and a single mother crackhead with 5 kids will get twelve fishes.

We must save and protect the most needy among us. To hell with the most productive and best achievers. They're just greedy bastards who stole from the poor anyway.

 

[Foxfyre]

#1 The education would be even worse WITHOUT the U.S. Dept of Education

#2 There's nothing intrinsic about the government that makes it bad at fostering education.

#3 THe welfare myth is just that...a myth. I've already posted info on the fact, but apparently it got sidestepped above. I know you all think that lazy bums are the reason why the country is in the tank, but it's not. It's bad government.

I'm not saying there aren't lazy bums, but they're not the huge problem you're making them out to be in this thread.

Let me go back to #2 and #3. If the government can't get anything right...ever...then you're for anarchy. You're to the point that you think the entire country has totally degraded to where nothing we can do together ever matters.

That's pretty sad, really.

I'm guessing that you've got nothing to back up any one of your three numbered points. Some of us have experience with the Public Schools BEFORE the government decided they could educate kids better than local school boards, teachers, and parents could educate them. For decades now, we've watched the declining educational standards that follow almost exactly in tandem with rising Federal involvement.

At what point does a statist, a member of the political class, a liberal admit that something isn't working and what it replaced was far superior?

I will agree with you that the reason everything is in the 'tank' is 'bad government' and that should be a ringing endorsement that most of what is now Federal government should be returned to the people where the Founders intended that it should be.

 

[daveman]

Welfare transfer payments have created a permanent underclass of under employed and entitlement mentality people.

Yes. The Left would rather give a man a government fish every day. The Right would rather teach him to fish so he can catch his own.

Due to budget cuts, it will be one fish every other day for a family of less than 3, gets two fishes every three days for a family of 4 and a single mother crackhead with 5 kids will get twelve fishes.

We must save and protect the most needy among us. To hell with the most productive and best achievers. They're just greedy bastards who stole from the poor anyway.

The hell of it is, there are people who really believe that shit.