Was Andrew Carnegie correct?

[Robert W]

To be fair, this is what he told us.


Andrew Carnegie in The Gospel Of Wealth, where he wrote, “In bestowing charity, the main consideration should be to help those who will help themselves; to provide part of the means by which those who desire to improve may do so; to give those who desire to rise the aids by which they may rise; to assist, but rarely or never to do all.”

Does this fit with your personal philosophy? If he is wrong per you, what is he wrong about?

Few Americans studied this wonderful human being. They don't realize he was a huge donor of libraries to many cities all over America. His idea is clear, when you refuse to help yourself, you deserve no help.

Democrats live by the philosophy saying to Government, you will help us or never get elected. It was not the role of the Federal Government to be our mama. Education is pretty important. But I read reports that Americans are poorly educated. I know for a fact that my desire to learn a lot more enabled my education. But way too many act like they know it all.

I believe this is also PoliticalChic personal view. She can correct me if I am wrong. Foxfyre also is included by me.

 

[Foxfyre]

To be fair, this is what he told us.


Andrew Carnegie in The Gospel Of Wealth, where he wrote, “In bestowing charity, the main consideration should be to help those who will help themselves; to provide part of the means by which those who desire to improve may do so; to give those who desire to rise the aids by which they may rise; to assist, but rarely or never to do all.”

Does this fit with your personal philosophy? If he is wrong per you, what is he wrong about?

Few Americans studied this wonderful human being. They don't realize he was a huge donor of libraries to many cities all over America. His idea is clear, when you refuse to help yourself, you deserve no help.

Democrats live by the philosophy saying to Government, you will help us or never get elected. It was not the role of the Federal Government to be our mama. Education is pretty important. But I read reports that Americans are poorly educated. I know for a fact that my desire to learn a lot more enabled my education. But way too many act like they know it all.

I believe this is also PoliticalChic personal view. She can correct me if I am wrong. Foxfyre also is included by me.

I have been a long time student of Andrew Carnegie and have learned much. But Ben Franklin put it in less complicated terms:

". . .In my youth, I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer. . ."
with the conclusion:

 

[Robert W]

I have been a long time student of Andrew Carnegie and have learned much. But Ben Franklin put it in less complicated terms:

". . .In my youth, I traveled much, and I observed in different countries, that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer. . ."
with the conclusion:
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I was crossing my fingers hoping your enormous wisdom would add to the Andrew Carnegie post. And you hit a grand slam homerun.

 

[DGS49]

There is no better example of the phenomenon than the evolving situation with the "homeless" in California. The more money is spent on homelessness the more homeless people seem to materialize.

Billions and billions of taxpayer dollars with NO PROGRESS reported whatsoever.

 

[Robert W]

There is no better example of the phenomenon than the evolving situation with the "homeless" in California. The more money is spent on homelessness the more homeless people seem to materialize.

Billions and billions of taxpayer dollars with NO PROGRESS reported whatsoever.

I watched a great movie of this daughter who bombed a store that killed the owner. She lived in squalor though her parents lived a wealthy life.

Anyway she chose squalor and bombs to living the wonderful life. The Democrats use the money from the rich to give to the homeless. They don't even ask the rich if it is okay.
They expect a different result though their efforts never vary. They wonder why they fail.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

There is no better example of the phenomenon than the evolving situation with the "homeless" in California. The more money is spent on homelessness the more homeless people seem to materialize.

Billions and billions of taxpayer dollars with NO PROGRESS reported whatsoever.

Progress is increasing the number of homeless.

 

[MarathonMike]

Andew Carnigie was a great man who gave away most of his fortune. I agree to an extent, but I will always help people who are clearly desperate. I give money, care packages and buy meals PERSONALLY for homeless people who are not scammers. I can tell the difference.

 

[Moonglow]

To be fair, this is what he told us.


Andrew Carnegie in The Gospel Of Wealth, where he wrote, “In bestowing charity, the main consideration should be to help those who will help themselves; to provide part of the means by which those who desire to improve may do so; to give those who desire to rise the aids by which they may rise; to assist, but rarely or never to do all.”

Does this fit with your personal philosophy? If he is wrong per you, what is he wrong about?

Few Americans studied this wonderful human being. They don't realize he was a huge donor of libraries to many cities all over America. His idea is clear, when you refuse to help yourself, you deserve no help.

Democrats live by the philosophy saying to Government, you will help us or never get elected. It was not the role of the Federal Government to be our mama. Education is pretty important. But I read reports that Americans are poorly educated. I know for a fact that my desire to learn a lot more enabled my education. But way too many act like they know it all.

I believe this is also PoliticalChic personal view. She can correct me if I am wrong. Foxfyre also is included by me.

You seem to only tell half the story

 

[Robert W]

Andrew Carnegie was a great man who gave away most of his fortune. I agree to an extent, but I will always help people who are clearly desperate. I give money, care packages and buy meals PERSONALLY for homeless people who are not scammers. I can tell the difference.

Would you have given away your fortune? Assume you have one.

 

[Robert W]

You seem to only tell half the story

I am pleased you said the word seem. It means there is a lot of doubt. Will you tell all of the story about Andrew Carnegie?

 

[MarathonMike]

Would you have given away your fortune? Assume you have one.

When I say "fortune" I mean the ultra-wealthy. We will be leaving most of our estate to our kids but we will donate part of it as well to some charity.

 

[Robert W]

When I say "fortune" I mean the ultra-wealthy. We will be leaving most of our estate to our kids but we will donate part of it as well to some charity.

I support you in that. How much has charity given to you? Assume you came up from hard times.

 

[1srelluc]

Carnegie would be aghast at what public libraries have become.....All are run by leftists.

 

[whitehall]

Elitist wealthy politician FDR espoused essentially the same opinion. Was FDR right?

 

[MarathonMike]

I support you in that. How much has charity given to you? Assume you came up from hard times.

It wasn't charity. My wife and I each started with nothing but our college degrees. We met in our 30s when each of us had already done well. She is an amazing money manager and helped me not be so reckless with investments.

 

[Robert W]

It wasn't charity. My wife and I each started with nothing but our college degrees. We met in our 30s when each of us had already done well. She is an amazing money manager and helped me not be so reckless with investments.

Congratulations on a life well lived. I should have married a woman with a degree. But my two wives just wanted to be ordinary women. My first wife was good at money management. My last wife lived the way of when her checks ran out, she quit spending. And she wrote a lot of bad checks that I came along to pay for her. Investments were not her strength at all. She spent money as if she had billions to spend.

 

[MarathonMike]

Congratulations on a life well lived. I should have married a woman with a degree. But my two wives just wanted to be ordinary women. My first wife was good at money management. My last wife lived the way of when her checks ran out, she quit spending. And she wrote a lot of bad checks that I came along to pay for her. Investments were not her strength at all. She spent money as if she had billions to spend.

Pure luck of the draw, my friend.

 

[BackAgain]

To be fair, this is what he told us.


Andrew Carnegie in The Gospel Of Wealth, where he wrote, “In bestowing charity, the main consideration should be to help those who will help themselves; to provide part of the means by which those who desire to improve may do so; to give those who desire to rise the aids by which they may rise; to assist, but rarely or never to do all.”

Does this fit with your personal philosophy? If he is wrong per you, what is he wrong about?

Few Americans studied this wonderful human being. They don't realize he was a huge donor of libraries to many cities all over America. His idea is clear, when you refuse to help yourself, you deserve no help.

Democrats live by the philosophy saying to Government, you will help us or never get elected. It was not the role of the Federal Government to be our mama. Education is pretty important. But I read reports that Americans are poorly educated. I know for a fact that my desire to learn a lot more enabled my education. But way too many act like they know it all.

I believe this is also PoliticalChic personal view. She can correct me if I am wrong. Foxfyre also is included by me.

A terrific OP on a very interesting topic.

Presents a classic quandary: when any panhandler or begger asks one to “help me out because I haven’t eaten in five days!” the usual reactions boil down to:

Trying to ascertain if the money will really go to food or if it will go to drugs or booze?

How does the donor know if he is truly aiding the panhandler?

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Now, consider the issue as a government matter.

A national provides some welfare program to those in need. But the Government has its derogate staff, too. Can’t waste taxpayer money on frauds. So maybe a dole recipient should be kicked-off the dole when they are found to be unwilling to work.

So what then? Is it wrong for the government to arguably let the recipient starve?

 

[hadit]

Progress is increasing the number of homeless.

The difference between the liberal and conservative approach to programs like welfare lies in this. The liberal measures the success of such programs by how many people they benefit while the conservative measures success by how many people don't need them. IOW, the liberal expects such programs to be permanent and only increase in size while the conservative expects them to be so successful they're no longer needed.