Walmart subsidizes the U.S. government's welfare program to a tune of. $15,080 per employee a year

[Ray From Cleveland]

So the guy couldn't handle being a "Squirrel Cop", so let's put him in a crime ridden city.

The Man Who Killed Tamir Rice

In five short months, Loehmann was deemed “emotionally unstable” and unfit for service as a police officer. In his personnel records, his direct supervisors described him as having a “lack of maturity” as well as an “inability to perform basic functions as instructed.” These supervisors were referring to the disturbing behavior Loehmann exhibited during a weapons training session.

Loehmann’s worrisome conduct and mental instability when handling weapons would become a reoccurring theme in his personnel files.

In another training session held at a gun range, Loehmann suffered what was described as an “emotional meltdown.” In a memo sent to Human Resources, Deputy Chief Jim Polak of the Independence Police Department referred to this incident as a “dangerous loss of composure.” Polak noted that Loehmann’s “handgun performance was dismal” and that he was “distracted and weepy” during the training session. After Loehmann’s weapons were taken away by the training officer, he continued his “emotional meltdown” with detailed descriptions of his apparent issues with a girlfriend.

Deputy Chief Polak’s memo included several additional incidents of worrisome misconduct. He concluded the memo with the following:

“Individually, these events would not be considered major situations but, when taken together, they show a pattern of a lack of maturity, indiscretion, and not following instructions.”

“I do not believe time nor training will be able to change or correct these deficiencies.”

Yes, that was one mans opinion.

But the multiple instructors at the Cleveland Police academy didn't seem to find the same thing. Hmmmm.

Now if it's true that the officer put in his resignation which was declined, then of course there were people in that police force that had a chip on their shoulders. Now I've been to the shooting range many times, and for the life of me, I can't figure out how one has an "emotional meltdown" at a gun range.

Nobody can walk into a police department, fill out an application and become a cop. You have to go to police academies to become an officer. This particular officer went to two: Independence and Cleveland.

For some reason, the police academy he attended to get into a very nice city like Independence didn't seem to have a problem with him either. Hmmmm.

So what we have here is one mans testimony against all the instructors at two police academies that had the opposite opinion. Nobody passes the police academy unless they successfully perform all the training and testing needed to become a cop, and yes, that includes the gun range.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes, if you show a bunch of mutants on a grand jury a frame by frame showing, they'll probably get confused at a certain point, too.

Sorry, man, if the City felt that cop was in the right, they wouldn't have paid off Tamir's family.

Sure they would have. Most of the citizens in Cleveland are black, just like what took place in Baltimore. It would have been political suicide to do the right thing. And remember, Cleveland is totally run by Democrats as well.

Same thing took place in the George Zimmerman case. The investigation wasn't even over before the HOA handed over an undisclosed amount of money to the parents of Travon Martin. The HOA had nothing to do with the shooting because Zimmerman was not on block watch that evening. He was simply going to the grocery store when he spotted Martin.

This is why we need to have a national Loser Pays All law in this country. You can sue for anything you want, but if you lose, you pay all expenses and costs associated with the person or company you tried to sue. Because in all these cases, the defendant makes out better by just paying up (right or wrong) than it is to fight it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

which only worked because Clinton had an awesome economy. ONce Bush fucked up everything, those welfare rolls shot right back up.

I thought we had an awesome economy now! At least that's what the Democrats keep telling us.

 

[beagle9]

To vote down anything at all that will help working people should be considered anti american inclufing paid sick days, paid vacation, duty free lunch, maternity leave etc. If those cause hesitation i will wear a t shirt that the usa aint great.

One of the definitions of fascism is companies being privately owned, but with heavy government involvement running them.

So if you want your government to force companies to provide benefits they could never afford, then just support getting rid of private ownership of companies and let government run them all. Or maybe move to North Korea or Cuba to see how it works for them first.

. If any of this happens that you speak of here, then I will say that it's not the private ownership of "companies" that has caused it, but rather it has been the changing from the old private ownership "character" to the new so called private ownership "character" that has allowed the governments hand to be placed upon all of this. We need to put the blame where it belongs. Begin to fix those things in which they have broken, and the nation will begin to heal. Once fixed, then we should turn and get government out of this dictating to the private sector, and back to doing what it was supposed to be doing in the first place which is (governing governmental things it was created or designed for only).

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, that was one mans opinion.

But the multiple instructors at the Cleveland Police academy didn't seem to find the same thing. Hmmmm.

Just tells me what an awful organization the Cleveland PD is. Guy, I've been to Cleveland. The whole city needs to be plowed under and put out of its misery.

Now if it's true that the officer put in his resignation which was declined, then of course there were people in that police force that had a chip on their shoulders. Now I've been to the shooting range many times, and for the life of me, I can't figure out how one has an "emotional meltdown" at a gun range.

Guy, frankly, when you go to a gun range, it's probably the only time you are aroused... but let's not get into your fetish, okay?

Nobody can walk into a police department, fill out an application and become a cop. You have to go to police academies to become an officer. This particular officer went to two: Independence and Cleveland.

I'm not seeing any evidence he did attend Cleveland's academy. What I am seeing is that he got fired from Indepenence after 5 months, and after 8 months on the job at Cleveland, he shot a child playing with a toy.

For some reason, the police academy he attended to get into a very nice city like Independence didn't seem to have a problem with him either. Hmmmm.

So what we have here is one mans testimony against all the instructors at two police academies that had the opposite opinion. Nobody passes the police academy unless they successfully perform all the training and testing needed to become a cop, and yes, that includes the gun range.

Uh, guy, he quit before being fired. This man never should have been made a cop.

But let's talk about his partner.

Cleveland paid out $100,000 to woman involving excessive force lawsuit against officer in Tamir Rice shooting

Cleveland paid out $100,000 earlier this year to a city resident to settle an excessive force lawsuit brought against an officer involved in the Tamir Rice shooting.

The settlement, reached in U.S. District Court in Cleveland, involved Cleveland Patrolman Frank Garmback and stemmed from a 2010 confrontation he had with Tamela Eaton while the officer and his partner were tracking a slaying suspect near West 112th and Clifton Boulevard, records show.


What kind of fucked up police department do you guys have?

 

[JoeB131]

Sure they would have. Most of the citizens in Cleveland are black, just like what took place in Baltimore. It would have been political suicide to do the right thing. And remember, Cleveland is totally run by Democrats as well.

You mean when black people get a say in Justice, Justice actually happens. AMAZING.

IN related news, water is wet.

Same thing took place in the George Zimmerman case. The investigation wasn't even over before the HOA handed over an undisclosed amount of money to the parents of Travon Martin. The HOA had nothing to do with the shooting because Zimmerman was not on block watch that evening. He was simply going to the grocery store when he spotted Martin.

Um, yeah, and the HOA authorized him to go around playing "wanna-be" cop for months before he finally managed to kill someone. The reason they settled is because Zimmerman never should have been allowed to be on a neighborhood watch. That was clear when all the domestic abuse and molestation and violence reports came out.

This is why we need to have a national Loser Pays All law in this country. You can sue for anything you want, but if you lose, you pay all expenses and costs associated with the person or company you tried to sue. Because in all these cases, the defendant makes out better by just paying up (right or wrong) than it is to fight it.

Yeah, let's take away the right of working people to get any kind of compensation from the wealthy and government.

Battered Housewife Conservatism, everyone. Battered Housewife Conservatism.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yes, that was one mans opinion.

But the multiple instructors at the Cleveland Police academy didn't seem to find the same thing. Hmmmm.

Just tells me what an awful organization the Cleveland PD is. Guy, I've been to Cleveland. The whole city needs to be plowed under and put out of its misery.

Now if it's true that the officer put in his resignation which was declined, then of course there were people in that police force that had a chip on their shoulders. Now I've been to the shooting range many times, and for the life of me, I can't figure out how one has an "emotional meltdown" at a gun range.

Guy, frankly, when you go to a gun range, it's probably the only time you are aroused... but let's not get into your fetish, okay?

Nobody can walk into a police department, fill out an application and become a cop. You have to go to police academies to become an officer. This particular officer went to two: Independence and Cleveland.

I'm not seeing any evidence he did attend Cleveland's academy. What I am seeing is that he got fired from Indepenence after 5 months, and after 8 months on the job at Cleveland, he shot a child playing with a toy.

For some reason, the police academy he attended to get into a very nice city like Independence didn't seem to have a problem with him either. Hmmmm.

So what we have here is one mans testimony against all the instructors at two police academies that had the opposite opinion. Nobody passes the police academy unless they successfully perform all the training and testing needed to become a cop, and yes, that includes the gun range.

Uh, guy, he quit before being fired. This man never should have been made a cop.

But let's talk about his partner.

Cleveland paid out $100,000 to woman involving excessive force lawsuit against officer in Tamir Rice shooting

Cleveland paid out $100,000 earlier this year to a city resident to settle an excessive force lawsuit brought against an officer involved in the Tamir Rice shooting.

The settlement, reached in U.S. District Court in Cleveland, involved Cleveland Patrolman Frank Garmback and stemmed from a 2010 confrontation he had with Tamela Eaton while the officer and his partner were tracking a slaying suspect near West 112th and Clifton Boulevard, records show.


What kind of fucked up police department do you guys have?

Uh, guy, he quit before being fired. This man never should have been made a cop.

But let's talk about his partner.

Cleveland paid out $100,000 to woman involving excessive force lawsuit against officer in Tamir Rice shooting

Cleveland paid out $100,000 earlier this year to a city resident to settle an excessive force lawsuit brought against an officer involved in the Tamir Rice shooting.

The settlement, reached in U.S. District Court in Cleveland, involved Cleveland Patrolman Frank Garmback and stemmed from a 2010 confrontation he had with Tamela Eaton while the officer and his partner were tracking a slaying suspect near West 112th and Clifton Boulevard, records show.


What kind of fucked up police department do you guys have?

Grabbing for straws, huh Joe? Typical liberal tactic.

I'm not seeing any evidence he did attend Cleveland's academy. What I am seeing is that he got fired from Indepenence after 5 months, and after 8 months on the job at Cleveland, he shot a child playing with a toy.

That toy thing again, huh? And if some brother whipped out that toy on you, you would be shaking like a leaf in the wind while handing over all your money.

Cleveland officer who shot Tamir Rice had 'dismal' handgun performance for Independence police

Guy, frankly, when you go to a gun range, it's probably the only time you are aroused... but let's not get into your fetish, okay?

It's not my fetish, it's yours. For some strange reason, you relate guns to sex. Us normal people don't do that.

Just tells me what an awful organization the Cleveland PD is. Guy, I've been to Cleveland. The whole city needs to be plowed under and put out of its misery.

Yes, that's the liberal mentality "If I don't like something, nobody should like it either." And be careful out there Joe. More people getting killed over in your town than solders in the middle-east.

 

[JoeB131]

Grabbing for straws, huh Joe? Typical liberal tactic.

Um, no, i just have to wonder how the two guys least qualified to be police officers just happened to be in the same car that night, or if all the CPD cops are that level of misfit?

Yes, that's the liberal mentality "If I don't like something, nobody should like it either." And be careful out there Joe. More people getting killed over in your town than solders in the middle-east.

Yes, Obama did a great job getting us out of Bush's war. Thanks for pointing that out.

But Cleveland is a fucking dump. I would say it was the most depressing place I ever visited. the only new buildings were the banks...

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Grabbing for straws, huh Joe? Typical liberal tactic.

Um, no, i just have to wonder how the two guys least qualified to be police officers just happened to be in the same car that night, or if all the CPD cops are that level of misfit?

Yes, that's the liberal mentality "If I don't like something, nobody should like it either." And be careful out there Joe. More people getting killed over in your town than solders in the middle-east.

Yes, Obama did a great job getting us out of Bush's war. Thanks for pointing that out.

But Cleveland is a fucking dump. I would say it was the most depressing place I ever visited. the only new buildings were the banks...

Yes, Obama did a great job getting us out of Bush's war. Thanks for pointing that out.

But Cleveland is a fucking dump. I would say it was the most depressing place I ever visited. the only new buildings were the banks...

You should have tried visiting downtown. All our sports arenas are fairly new, our Science Center is new, the Rock and Roll Hall of fame is new, the Cleveland aquarium is only a couple of years old, the Medical Mart is new and so are the casinos.

And yes, DumBama got us out of a war and handed over a country to ISIS. Thanks on all our behalves DumBama!

Um, no, i just have to wonder how the two guys least qualified to be police officers just happened to be in the same car that night, or if all the CPD cops are that level of misfit?

So who deemed them the least qualified? You?

 

[boilermaker55]

Fine, if you are a HS student.
It would be interesting to see the statistics of the ages of their workers.

My daughter works at Walmart,,,makes $11.00 part time........still in hs ......

 

[JoeB131]

You should have tried visiting downtown. All our sports arenas are fairly new, our Science Center is new, the Rock and Roll Hall of fame is new, the Cleveland aquarium is only a couple of years old, the Medical Mart is new and so are the casinos.

Casinos are the last cancer of dying cities.

What I remember being downtown, other than being afraid to leave my hotel at night, was how everything was crumbling and half hte houses were empty. They didn't even bother taking down a Hollywood Video Sign off a closed store.

And yes, DumBama got us out of a war and handed over a country to ISIS. Thanks on all our behalves DumBama!

Why is any of that our problem, again? Besides the fact that the Iraqis were in chaos before we left, I mean. Petreaus paid the Sunnis to play nice until we left... good money spent.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You should have tried visiting downtown. All our sports arenas are fairly new, our Science Center is new, the Rock and Roll Hall of fame is new, the Cleveland aquarium is only a couple of years old, the Medical Mart is new and so are the casinos.

Casinos are the last cancer of dying cities.

What I remember being downtown, other than being afraid to leave my hotel at night, was how everything was crumbling and half hte houses were empty. They didn't even bother taking down a Hollywood Video Sign off a closed store.

And yes, DumBama got us out of a war and handed over a country to ISIS. Thanks on all our behalves DumBama!

Why is any of that our problem, again? Besides the fact that the Iraqis were in chaos before we left, I mean. Petreaus paid the Sunnis to play nice until we left... good money spent.

Casinos are the last cancer of dying cities.

What I remember being downtown, other than being afraid to leave my hotel at night, was how everything was crumbling and half hte houses were empty. They didn't even bother taking down a Hollywood Video Sign off a closed store.

Like I said Joe, Cleveland has been run by liberal Democrats for decades. What did you expect?

Why is any of that our problem, again? Besides the fact that the Iraqis were in chaos before we left, I mean. Petreaus paid the Sunnis to play nice until we left... good money spent.

I don't believe you just wrote what you did. Why is a country that cost thousands of American lives handed over to ISIS a problem? Of course, how could that be a problem to anybody???? Especially when DumBama went against the advice of every military advisor he had because it was about him getting reelected. Nothing else mattered, not our American lives lost, not the people in Iraq who were tortured to death by being nailed to crosses and hung to die, or watching their babies killed in cold blood. How could anybody find a problem with that? DumBama got reelected. That's all that matters to a liberal.

 

[JoeB131]

Like I said Joe, Cleveland has been run by liberal Democrats for decades. What did you expect?

Except for hte times you had Republican mayors, um, yeah, right. Had nothing to do with big industry raping the city, leaving the river polluted and pulling out.

I don't believe you just wrote what you did. Why is a country that cost thousands of American lives handed over to ISIS a problem? Of course, how could that be a problem to anybody????

So your argument is because Bush threw away thousands of lives on a LIE, we need to throw away MORE lives to hold on to a country getting involved in a fight between Shi'ites and Sunnis about how many imams can dance on the head of a pin?

NOT MY PROBLEM. And until you right wingers start sending your own kids over to fight it instead of sending over poor brown kids, you all need to shut the fuck up. Seriously.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Like I said Joe, Cleveland has been run by liberal Democrats for decades. What did you expect?

Except for hte times you had Republican mayors, um, yeah, right. Had nothing to do with big industry raping the city, leaving the river polluted and pulling out.

I don't believe you just wrote what you did. Why is a country that cost thousands of American lives handed over to ISIS a problem? Of course, how could that be a problem to anybody????

So your argument is because Bush threw away thousands of lives on a LIE, we need to throw away MORE lives to hold on to a country getting involved in a fight between Shi'ites and Sunnis about how many imams can dance on the head of a pin?

NOT MY PROBLEM. And until you right wingers start sending your own kids over to fight it instead of sending over poor brown kids, you all need to shut the fuck up. Seriously.

So your argument is because Bush threw away thousands of lives on a LIE, we need to throw away MORE lives to hold on to a country getting involved in a fight between Shi'ites and Sunnis about how many imams can dance on the head of a pin?

NOT MY PROBLEM. And until you right wingers start sending your own kids over to fight it instead of sending over poor brown kids, you all need to shut the fuck up. Seriously.

Are you living in the 60s or something? We don't send other peoples kids anywhere. They volunteer. It's been a volunteer military for decades now. They joined to fight for America.

And yes, Iraq was in pretty good shape until dumbo ears showed up. We had it under control and the dying slowed down quite dramatically. People were voting, they had freedom, some for the first time in their lives. The men and women who died there had plenty to be proud of. Then dummy decided he wanted to get reelected as President, and threw it all away for his own selfish reasons.

Except for hte times you had Republican mayors, um, yeah, right. Had nothing to do with big industry raping the city, leaving the river polluted and pulling out.

Yeah, the last Republican Mayor we had was Mayor George Voinovich. As you may know, he advanced to Governor George Voinovich for two terms and later US Senator George Voinovich. Gives you an idea of how long it's been since Cleveland had a Republican Mayor.

 

[paulitician]

The U.S. itself is becoming one massive-sized Walmart store. Walmart merely represents what we are sadly becoming... Dirty, stinky, greedy, hateful, ignorant, chaotic. Well, you get the picture.

Walmart appeals to the worst in human nature. It promotes greed, hate, ignorance, and misery. Next time you're in one, take a closer look around. It's pretty sad. So many lost souls in a rabid frenzy to buy more cheap shitty stuff they don't need.

This dude summed it up best...

 

[paulitician]

As George Carlin said, 'Americans are Pigtime Bigtime.' They're getting fatter and dumber. Walmart represents that perfectly. It encourages it.

 

[initforme]

Our comedians have our country figured out.

 

[paulitician]

Our comedians have our country figured out.

Yeah, Carlin sure did.

"Consumerism, the only lasting American value left. People spending money they don't have, on things they don't need."

Pretty much sums it up.

 

[JoeB131]

Are you living in the 60s or something? We don't send other peoples kids anywhere. They volunteer. It's been a volunteer military for decades now. They joined to fight for America.

They joined for a college education that doesn't happen for most of them. If the Army was like any other job, you should be able to say, "Fuck this, I quit", just like every other job.

And yes, Iraq was in pretty good shape until dumbo ears showed up

Your right. Saddam had the country under control Until Bush Showed up...oh, wait, that's not what you meant...

People were voting, they had freedom, some for the first time in their lives. The men and women who died there had plenty to be proud of. Then dummy decided he wanted to get reelected as President, and threw it all away for his own selfish reasons.

You mean that it was what he promised to do and what 90% of Americans wanted?


http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ir...jority-regret-iraq-war-exclusive-poll-n139686

Seventy-one percent of Americans now say that the war in Iraq “wasn’t worth it,” a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Annenberg poll shows, with skepticism about the lengthy war effort up substantially even in the last 18 months.

Yeah, Obama totally needed to double down on that.

Here's my idea. We should create an elite unit of the Children of Republican Politicians, the Wealthy and Fat-ass talk radio hosts. And then send THAT unit over, if htey think Iraq was so worth it...

My guess is, they wouldn't think it was.

 

[beagle9]

Are you living in the 60s or something? We don't send other peoples kids anywhere. They volunteer. It's been a volunteer military for decades now. They joined to fight for America.

They joined for a college education that doesn't happen for most of them. If the Army was like any other job, you should be able to say, "Fuck this, I quit", just like every other job.

And yes, Iraq was in pretty good shape until dumbo ears showed up

Your right. Saddam had the country under control Until Bush Showed up...oh, wait, that's not what you meant...

People were voting, they had freedom, some for the first time in their lives. The men and women who died there had plenty to be proud of. Then dummy decided he wanted to get reelected as President, and threw it all away for his own selfish reasons.

You mean that it was what he promised to do and what 90% of Americans wanted?


Not Worth It: Huge Majority Regret Iraq War, Exclusive Poll Shows - NBC News

Seventy-one percent of Americans now say that the war in Iraq “wasn’t worth it,” a new NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Annenberg poll shows, with skepticism about the lengthy war effort up substantially even in the last 18 months.

Yeah, Obama totally needed to double down on that.

Here's my idea. We should create an elite unit of the Children of Republican Politicians, the Wealthy and Fat-ass talk radio hosts. And then send THAT unit over, if htey think Iraq was so worth it...

My guess is, they wouldn't think it was.

. So what is it "your black, and you hate whitey right, and so you use politics as your tool or weapon so it won't be so blatant ?... Are you just using the forum & politics to work your frustrations out ?