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REALITY!!!! that's not a word you can use. Again, nobody on your side has addressed my facts.I get it, you'll never admit reality, but you should try it- the truth shall set you free.
You have not presented reality. The reality is that walls do stop invasions and that includes drugs. No wall is going to stop 100% but it is meant to deter. I don't understand why some would deny that a wall is a deterrent while living behind them themselves. No, the only objection to the wall is that Democrats hate Trump and will not give him even 1 iota. They put their political ambitions and hatred for one man above everyone in the country and outside the country.
Explain what nobody on your side has yet to explain:Trump's speech... wow what a fool.
The drugs come into the country by submarine, tunnel, by car/truck, shipping.
The amount of drugs walked over the border is very small.
Stopping that will have no effect on drugs in our country.
If you think "it's better than nothing" you are completely wrong because the price tag of a wall is high and it would be better to spend the money on more effective means.
Right now we stop such a minor amount of drugs coming into the country that it has no effect at all. A border wall will be the same, it will have no effect. If you want to stop drugs you need a better idea than a border wall, if you can't understand that I feel sorry for you.
Dear God, not another idiot thread which fallaciously claims the impossible: that not a single joint, not a single dime bag will be stopped by a 30 foot wall. Ever. Obviously, the OP is in the wrong field and needs to be a consultant to the DEA where he could save our country millions.
Well use your intellect and integrity to address my facts...
How is a wall going to stop the tunnels?
the HDD drillers:
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...retruck-sized-drillers-to-make-drug-pipelines
the narco submarines:
Six Tons Of Cocaine Seized From Narco-Submarine
What's your question?Well use your intellect and integrity to address my facts...
How is a wall going to stop the tunnels?
the HDD drillers:
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...retruck-sized-drillers-to-make-drug-pipelines
the narco submarines:
Six Tons Of Cocaine Seized From Narco-Submarine
I notice you didn't answer my questions. Most likely due to your intellectual dishonesty. Pretty sure I already addressed part of your question. You answer mine and I'll give a more complete answer to yours.
That's a good point, but the problem is Trump, in his speech Saturday, and many others keep trying to falsely claim that the wall will stop the drugs. It will not. That is why I started this thread.Stemming drug smuggling is not the sole purpose of building a wall. First and foremost, the main purpose is to secure the Southern border of the US from anyone just being able to walk across it.
That's a good point, but the problem is Trump, in his speech Saturday, and many others keep trying to falsely claim that the wall will stop the drugs. It will not. That is why I started this thread.Stemming drug smuggling is not the sole purpose of building a wall. First and foremost, the main purpose is to secure the Southern border of the US from anyone just being able to walk across it.
REALITY!!!! that's not a word you can use. Again, nobody on your side has addressed my facts.I get it, you'll never admit reality, but you should try it- the truth shall set you free.
You have not presented reality. The reality is that walls do stop invasions and that includes drugs. No wall is going to stop 100% but it is meant to deter. I don't understand why some would deny that a wall is a deterrent while living behind them themselves. No, the only objection to the wall is that Democrats hate Trump and will not give him even 1 iota. They put their political ambitions and hatred for one man above everyone in the country and outside the country.
How is a wall going to stop the tunnels?
How is a wall going to stop the HDD?
How is a wall going to stop the narco subs?
It will not and for that reason they will not reduce the drugs in anyway. Any reduction in unsophisticated groups walking drugs over the border will be offset by the more sophisticated means. You don't seem to comprehend that the big cartels have billions of dollars and can easily move drugs across the border at will by the methods I have just listed. If the demand for drugs increases then the cartels will easily import more drugs into the country using their sophisticated, unstoppable methods. It's simple economics...
How do police stop crime?Explain what nobody on your side has yet to explain
AHAHAHAH!! What flawed, failed logic.REALITY!!!! that's not a word you can use. Again, nobody on your side has addressed my facts.I get it, you'll never admit reality, but you should try it- the truth shall set you free.
You have not presented reality. The reality is that walls do stop invasions and that includes drugs. No wall is going to stop 100% but it is meant to deter. I don't understand why some would deny that a wall is a deterrent while living behind them themselves. No, the only objection to the wall is that Democrats hate Trump and will not give him even 1 iota. They put their political ambitions and hatred for one man above everyone in the country and outside the country.
How is a wall going to stop the tunnels?
How is a wall going to stop the HDD?
How is a wall going to stop the narco subs?
It will not and for that reason they will not reduce the drugs in anyway. Any reduction in unsophisticated groups walking drugs over the border will be offset by the more sophisticated means. You don't seem to comprehend that the big cartels have billions of dollars and can easily move drugs across the border at will by the methods I have just listed. If the demand for drugs increases then the cartels will easily import more drugs into the country using their sophisticated, unstoppable methods. It's simple economics...
Here's your entire argument debunked.
How will a wall stop things like submarines and tunnels ? Easy, a wall will make simply walking across the border impossible, thereby allowing Border Patrol to stop wasting limited resources monitoring for people who are simply walking across an open border and focusing on other areas. Throw twice as many resources at stopping your narco sub and we have a better chance of stopping your narco sub.
Again you have not been able to explain how a wall will stop:How do police stop crime?Explain what nobody on your side has yet to explain
How do locks stop break ins?
How do laws stop violence?
How do vaccines, good diets and exercise stop disease and death?
How do prisons stop escapes?
The answer is simple. Walls are but a first line defense like everything else to discourage and make unlawful activity HARDER. Nothing is absolute, nothing CLAIMS to be absolute, but combined with good technology, intelligence, and port management, they collectively cut way down on what the crime might be otherwise.
And for every billion we spend on the wall, that should net roughly a SEVEN billion dollar return on the resulting reduced costs related to handling and processing of the illegals that otherwise would have come in there. It really is a very simple decision. Even if we are somehow 700% off on our calculation, it is still a zero sum gain. We break even and the wall didn't actually cost us anything in the grand picture.
AHAHAHAH!! What flawed, failed logic.REALITY!!!! that's not a word you can use. Again, nobody on your side has addressed my facts.I get it, you'll never admit reality, but you should try it- the truth shall set you free.
You have not presented reality. The reality is that walls do stop invasions and that includes drugs. No wall is going to stop 100% but it is meant to deter. I don't understand why some would deny that a wall is a deterrent while living behind them themselves. No, the only objection to the wall is that Democrats hate Trump and will not give him even 1 iota. They put their political ambitions and hatred for one man above everyone in the country and outside the country.
How is a wall going to stop the tunnels?
How is a wall going to stop the HDD?
How is a wall going to stop the narco subs?
It will not and for that reason they will not reduce the drugs in anyway. Any reduction in unsophisticated groups walking drugs over the border will be offset by the more sophisticated means. You don't seem to comprehend that the big cartels have billions of dollars and can easily move drugs across the border at will by the methods I have just listed. If the demand for drugs increases then the cartels will easily import more drugs into the country using their sophisticated, unstoppable methods. It's simple economics...
Here's your entire argument debunked.
How will a wall stop things like submarines and tunnels ? Easy, a wall will make simply walking across the border impossible, thereby allowing Border Patrol to stop wasting limited resources monitoring for people who are simply walking across an open border and focusing on other areas. Throw twice as many resources at stopping your narco sub and we have a better chance of stopping your narco sub.
Read this article and tell us how more border agents will stop these HDD tunnels.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...retruck-sized-drillers-to-make-drug-pipelines
Border Patrol agents can't stop something that small spread out across a border so large. Border patrol can't stop stealth narco suns in a gigantic ocean. You might get a few of them, but the vast majority of them are still getting through and there is no way to stop these sophisticated methods. They have yet to make any gains in stopping these methods and more border agents will not improve that in any way. If you aren't intelligent enough to comprehend this then there is no debating you as you can't comprehend such simple facts as gravity, 2+2=4, and the earth is round.
Again you have not been able to explain how a wall will stop:
The tunnels
the narco subs
the HDD drillers.
We're not here to debate illegals, we are debating the false claim that the wall will stop drugs. The wall will not stop the drugs and you are avoiding the issue.
I'm still waiting for one of you liberals to explain to me what exactly has changed since 2009 that a perimeter "wall" is no longer acceptable.
Yeah, we know what has changed. That orange bastard would actually build the damn thing , unlike the last 2 Presidents who built as little as possible.
I'm still waiting for one of you liberals to explain to me what exactly has changed since 2009 that a perimeter "wall" is no longer acceptable.
Yeah, we know what has changed. That orange bastard would actually build the damn thing , unlike the last 2 Presidents who built as little as possible.
It was a damned good idea that every democrat president was for and said had to be done until a republican actually came along serious on building it.
Completely false and destroyed by facts:AHAHAHAH!! What flawed, failed logic.REALITY!!!! that's not a word you can use. Again, nobody on your side has addressed my facts.I get it, you'll never admit reality, but you should try it- the truth shall set you free.
You have not presented reality. The reality is that walls do stop invasions and that includes drugs. No wall is going to stop 100% but it is meant to deter. I don't understand why some would deny that a wall is a deterrent while living behind them themselves. No, the only objection to the wall is that Democrats hate Trump and will not give him even 1 iota. They put their political ambitions and hatred for one man above everyone in the country and outside the country.
How is a wall going to stop the tunnels?
How is a wall going to stop the HDD?
How is a wall going to stop the narco subs?
It will not and for that reason they will not reduce the drugs in anyway. Any reduction in unsophisticated groups walking drugs over the border will be offset by the more sophisticated means. You don't seem to comprehend that the big cartels have billions of dollars and can easily move drugs across the border at will by the methods I have just listed. If the demand for drugs increases then the cartels will easily import more drugs into the country using their sophisticated, unstoppable methods. It's simple economics...
Here's your entire argument debunked.
How will a wall stop things like submarines and tunnels ? Easy, a wall will make simply walking across the border impossible, thereby allowing Border Patrol to stop wasting limited resources monitoring for people who are simply walking across an open border and focusing on other areas. Throw twice as many resources at stopping your narco sub and we have a better chance of stopping your narco sub.
Read this article and tell us how more border agents will stop these HDD tunnels.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...retruck-sized-drillers-to-make-drug-pipelines
Border Patrol agents can't stop something that small spread out across a border so large. Border patrol can't stop stealth narco suns in a gigantic ocean. You might get a few of them, but the vast majority of them are still getting through and there is no way to stop these sophisticated methods. They have yet to make any gains in stopping these methods and more border agents will not improve that in any way. If you aren't intelligent enough to comprehend this then there is no debating you as you can't comprehend such simple facts as gravity, 2+2=4, and the earth is round.
narco subs. LOL you have been watching too many movies. In real life most drugs are simply carried across the border either in vehicles or in backpacks and such.
And further your argument essentially boils down to "we can't stop drugs, so why try?"
This thread is not to debate illegals entering the country, it's to debate whether or not a wall will stop drugs.Again you have not been able to explain how a wall will stop:
The tunnels
the narco subs
the HDD drillers.
We're not here to debate illegals, we are debating the false claim that the wall will stop drugs. The wall will not stop the drugs and you are avoiding the issue.
Look ace, tell me you don't lock your car, lock your house. I HAVE explained, you're just refusing to read. Walls are on land, junior. Subs are in the ocean. They put subs in the ocean because it is getting too hard to go the easier route on land (walls work). Tunnels and drillers happen. Why? Because the wall was stopping them, so they try to go around. You install listening devices, vibration devices, then you start catching them as well. If tunnels were truly working, we wouldn't KNOW they were making them!
I'll try to get through your thick head again: if walls weren't effective, they wouldn't be used everywhere for 10,000 years. You wouldn't be protesting them. They cut down on illegals. They cut down on drugs. They reduce the likelihood of terrorist invasion. They cut down on costs related to illegals. Combined with all our other tools, they help fight crime. If the damn wall wasn't so effective, Nancy Pelosi wouldbn't be holding the nation hostage fighting it telling Trump it is immoral.
