Walker quietly repeals equal pay law

[kaz]

Yes republicans believe and vote to make it so women can be discriminated against and not have equal pay, however its not just women

So you seriously think people are too lazy and stupid to just go find a better paying job on their own? Maybe it's just you. Well, and Dragon. Preaching government dependency isn't a solution for anything.

 

[Dragon]

If you think you're being underpaid, you're too lazy to find another job

Blah blah blah. All you're doing is showing yet again that you still don't understand plain English.

Your ideas are way out there, on the fringe, and Walker, who seems to be acting on them, is committing political suicide.

That's all I'm saying. You may disagree by pointing out (somehow) that your ideas are mainstream and popular. Saying anything else is failing to address the point I'm making. You are NOT saying that your ideas are mainstream and popular, therefore you are NOT addressing the point I'm making. Your responses, from start to finish, have been totally irrelevant. This one is no exception.

EDIT: Of course, you don't have to disagree. You could say, "I know that my ideas are on the wacko fringe, but I think they're right anyway, and so I don't care." That's a valid response. But so far, you haven't said that, either.

 

[bripat9643]

No one is underpaid in a free market.

Blah blah blah. You keep restating the tenets of your belief-system as if they were an answer to what I'm saying. That tells me you don't get what I'm saying, not for a second.

MOST PEOPLE DON'T AGREE WITH YOU. By HUGE majorities. THAT'S what I'm saying. Your ideas are WAY OUT THERE ON THE FRINGE in terms of the way most Americans think. When you implement policies based on those beliefs, they are not going to justify them in their own minds the way you do, they're just going to see that you're implementing policies that they STRONGLY disapprove of.

Anyone harboring pretensions of being an intellectual should understand that popular opinion doesn't determine what the facts are. Of course, demagogues such as yourself don't care what the facts are.

And that's what Walker is doing. He's quietly implementing policies that a HUGE majority of the people of his state (and of the nation generally) STRONGLY disapprove of. The fact that you approve of them, and can find ideological reasons to do so, doesn't change that one iota..

Sorry, but there's no evidence that a majority of the populations approves of making it easier to sue corporations for discrimination. Most people are smart enough to understand that excessive lawsuits make it difficult for corporations to compete and thereby provide jobs.

He is committing political suicide. He is increasing his chances of losing the recall, and making it dead certain he will be a one-term governor even if he survives the recall.

He's favored to win the recall, so your claims appear to be whistling past the graveyard.

 

[Dragon]

Anyone harboring pretensions of being an intellectual should understand that popular opinion doesn't determine what the facts are.

When the facts under discussion are precisely popular opinion and nothing else, yes, it does.

 

[bripat9643]

It's called freedom. Economic freedom is called capitalism. I get what you're saying fine, it's just BS.

It's not BS and you don't get it. I can tell, because you keep arguing against me as if I were presenting an economic idea you find wrong. I am not. I am presenting an observable fact that YOUR economic ideas are radical fringe ideas that most people disagree with. Whether those ideas are right or wrong is totally irrelevant to what I'm saying (although I do in fact also believe they're wrong).

Walker is committing political suicide. That's what I'm saying. That's all I'm saying. You are not refuting that in any way by claiming that Walker is right. Even if he was right, he'd still be politically dead meat.

We are all well aware of the fact that you don't care whether your economic theories are right or wrong. You only care if they are popular.

 

[Dragon]

We are all well aware of the fact that you don't care whether your economic theories are right or wrong. You only care if they are popular.

We aren't discussing my economic theories here. We're discussing yours. And it's not so much that they aren't popular (although that's true), as that you guys seem totally clueless about just how unpopular they are.

 

[bripat9643]

Anyone harboring pretensions of being an intellectual should understand that popular opinion doesn't determine what the facts are.

When the facts under discussion are precisely popular opinion and nothing else, yes, it does.

No, that isn't what is under discussion. Economic reality is under discussion.

 

[Dragon]

Anyone harboring pretensions of being an intellectual should understand that popular opinion doesn't determine what the facts are.

When the facts under discussion are precisely popular opinion and nothing else, yes, it does.

No, that isn't what is under discussion. Economic reality is under discussion.

Horseshit. You think I'd bother discussing economic reality with people who wouldn't know it if it bit them? Get real. I'm discussing political reality instead -- and apparently you can't recognize that, either!

Of course, it hasn't bitten you yet. We'll see.

 

[bripat9643]

No, that isn't what is under discussion. Economic reality is under discussion.

Horseshit. You think I'd bother discussing economic reality with people who wouldn't know it if it bit them? Get real. I'm discussing political reality instead -- and apparently you can't recognize that, either!

Of course, it hasn't bitten you yet. We'll see.

Your posts bare no resemblance to reality of any kind.

 

[Dragon]

Your posts bare no resemblance to reality of any kind.

The funny thing is that you're proving my point and you don't even realize it.

In this case, the reality I'm presenting for your consideration is that most Americans don't share your belief that there is something wrong with the government guaranteeing equal pay for equal work on the basis of gender. That's a fact. I've presented evidence already supporting that fact. And all that you or Taz or anyone else has presented in response are arguments for why people SHOULD agree with you.

I haven't addressed those arguments because there's no point in doing so; in the fist place you're the economic equivalent of religious believers and you are no more going to question your root assumptions than a fundamentalist Christian would question the Bible. In the second place, for purpose of the point I was making, they don't matter anyway. Most people don't find them persuasive. Your positions are a political lost cause.

The only logical explanation for why Walker is committing political suicide in this way is that, as someone suggested above, he knows he's dead anyway, so he might as well do as much damage as possible before he gets shoved out of office, either in the recall vote or in the next general election. I don't know if that's a correct assessment of his thinking, but it's the only idea I've seen that makes any sense.

Lyndon Johnson remarked, on signing the Civil Rights Act, that he had just handed the South to the Republicans for a generation. Scott Walker has just handed Wisconsin to the Democrats for at least the same length of time if not longer. That's reality. Take it to the bank.

 

[buckeye45_73]

We are all well aware of the fact that you don't care whether your economic theories are right or wrong. You only care if they are popular.

We aren't discussing my economic theories here. We're discussing yours. And it's not so much that they aren't popular (although that's true), as that you guys seem totally clueless about just how unpopular they are.

Dragon you're right capitalism isnt very popular, socialism is, why is that? and let's look at that thrid world, oh yeah full of socialism, very little capitalism..hmmmmmmm coincidence?

 

[buckeye45_73]

Your posts bare no resemblance to reality of any kind.

The funny thing is that you're proving my point and you don't even realize it.

In this case, the reality I'm presenting for your consideration is that most Americans don't share your belief that there is something wrong with the government guaranteeing equal pay for equal work on the basis of gender. That's a fact. I've presented evidence already supporting that fact. And all that you or Taz or anyone else has presented in response are arguments for why people SHOULD agree with you.

I haven't addressed those arguments because there's no point in doing so; in the fist place you're the economic equivalent of religious believers and you are no more going to question your root assumptions than a fundamentalist Christian would question the Bible. In the second place, for purpose of the point I was making, they don't matter anyway. Most people don't find them persuasive. Your positions are a political lost cause.

The only logical explanation for why Walker is committing political suicide in this way is that, as someone suggested above, he knows he's dead anyway, so he might as well do as much damage as possible before he gets shoved out of office, either in the recall vote or in the next general election. I don't know if that's a correct assessment of his thinking, but it's the only idea I've seen that makes any sense.

Lyndon Johnson remarked, on signing the Civil Rights Act, that he had just handed the South to the Republicans for a generation. Scott Walker has just handed Wisconsin to the Democrats for at least the same length of time if not longer. That's reality. Take it to the bank.

Interesting but I'll look to The HuffPO, a commie rag and while they have one poll showing he MIGHT lose
Scott Walker Recall: Governor Vulnerable In New Poll

I really like this part, even they have to put some facts in, I know liberals hate them.


That's different than two other notable polls on the election. A poll conducted in October by the same North Carolina-based survey company showed Walker topping all challengers. Additionally, another recent poll conducted by Charles Franklin of the Marquette University Law School shows Walker would beat all recall challengers by large margins

So after all the ganshing of teeth, protesting, paid advertisements, bringing in the big guns to hate him, I will laugh my ass off, if he still wins. Then I hope he strips the unions all the way down. They should have bargained in the begining, people are seeing what a scam unions are. Pay for your own shit for once, libtards

 

[Dragon]

Dragon you're right capitalism isnt very popular, socialism is, why is that? and let's look at that thrid world, oh yeah full of socialism, very little capitalism..hmmmmmmm coincidence?

Both these statements are false. Socialism, properly so called, is not popular in the U.S., and there is very little socialism in the third world.

even they have to put some facts in, I know liberals hate them.

Heh. Unintentional irony is such a trip.

 

[buckeye45_73]

Dragon you're right capitalism isnt very popular, socialism is, why is that? and let's look at that thrid world, oh yeah full of socialism, very little capitalism..hmmmmmmm coincidence?

Both these statements are false. Socialism, properly so called, is not popular in the U.S., and there is very little socialism in the third world.

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Really? so what kind of economic system do most 3rd world countries have? I cant wait for this.

Third World Socialism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[uscitizen]

The people of WI need a list of those groups/corps who lobbied for the passage of this law so they can choose to boycott them if they so desire.

It is business and choosing where to spend your money.
Consumer need to make informed decisions that will best benefit them.

 

[Dragon]

Really? so what kind of economic system do most 3rd world countries have?

MOST third world countries practice a kind of crony capitalism. The existence of the IDEA of third world socialism (which is all your link attested to) does not change that fact.

 

[kaz]

You could say, "I know that my ideas are on the wacko fringe, but I think they're right anyway, and so I don't care." That's a valid response. But so far, you haven't said that, either.

Hmmm....I'm saying if someone is worth more then their employer is paying them, they should find a job that pays them what they are worth on their own. Take personal responsibility for their own life. No matter how many people agree with you, no, that's not "wacko fringe," running to a politician is wacko fringe. Someone needs to speak for the terminally lazy, and you're it. I know, I know, "everyone" agrees with you. Your ego is very frail, isn't it? You can't state and support your own ideas. The masses aren't speaking up for you, so you need to say they are on your side. I've never found polls to be a good way to determine facts. Particularly when liberals are involved.

 

[Conservative]

Look to me like Walker's days are numbered.

Then much of what he rammed though legislature is likely to be undone.

Well, if Americans are as dumb as the OP, that's likely. Did you even bother to investigate if what he claims is true? No, of course not. Clue: it's not true.

I tried to explain that in post 34. Perhaps I should have used smaller words?

 

[Conservative]

When the facts under discussion are precisely popular opinion and nothing else, yes, it does.

No, that isn't what is under discussion. Economic reality is under discussion.

Horseshit. You think I'd bother discussing economic reality with people who wouldn't know it if it bit them? Get real. I'm discussing political reality instead -- and apparently you can't recognize that, either!

Of course, it hasn't bitten you yet. We'll see.

Yes, we all keep forgetting how much smarter than the rest of the world you are.

 

[Dragon]

No matter how many people agree with you, no, that's not "wacko fringe,"

Sorry, but that's exactly how "wacko fringe" is defined: by how much agreement it has. An idea that only a few cranks believe in is a wacko fringe idea. That definitely describes your own beliefs, and when they lead you to reject something as popular as equal-pay laws, you demonstrate that.

Now, there's nothing wrong with having wacko-fringe ideas. I have some of my own. For example, I think we are going to have to separate the concepts of income and work in the fairly near future, because we are approaching an economy in which most work is done by machines.

But the difference between you and me is that I KNOW that's a wacko-fringe idea. I know the country isn't ready for it yet. I know that no politician can run on that and have a prayer of winning an election.

You seem totally clueless about just how out there your own ideas are. That's what's so odd here.