Vaccine Bombshell

[martybegan]

As far as Aspergers goes, it is on a spectrum, but it is a litte more serious than anti-social behavior, and there is typically significant dysfunction. You might try educating yourself because you appear ignorant.

That's keeping it civil BOY????...... You tell me to F---- myself???????

It was a choice, you went with the insult first, I reciprocated. Still in your court.

Besides the social interaction issues what are the other symptoms of Asparagers that put it on the line of more serious autistic disorders?

Since it is a spectrum the degree of effect will vary greatly, From a pragmatic view it is all serious. What percentage of those on the autistic spectrum will be self-supporting or will require support services. That is, no taxes in, lots of services out. For all but the highest functioning Asparagers these people will not be self-supporting. Most peoploe with Asparagers will not. Maybe you might get a few sheltered workshops out of the others.

Now for frequency, 1 in a 100 is a catastrophie. The human toll on the individual and family is staggering. The economic cost will impact the next generation. That is why we need to look into the vaccine connection. Run some honest studies. Re-think our vaccination schedule. I am not talking about terminating vaccines, but that is the position many pro-vaccine people try to pigeon hole anyone who is concerned about a possible connection between autism and vaccines.

Does anyone believe that the rise autism rates can be attriburted to genetics, age of fathers, drug use and different diagnostic criteria? That is an ignorant position. It is all liklihood genetically related with other factors being a trigger.

For example, do we really need to be vaccinating for chicken pox? Can the vasccination schedule be rolled back a bit to allay parental concerns? Can we try more single dose vaccines? Or is the option to demonize those who do not vaccinate and move towards forced vaccines better? That seems to be where we are heading.

The problem is 95% of the concern with vaccines being a trigger for autism are still based on that discredited study from the lancet.

Lancet Retracts Study Tying Measles, Mumps and Rubella Vaccine to Autism - WSJ.com

That study has been retracted, and the person respobsible for it has had thier medical license stripped from them. Yet vaccines still get blamed for autism, or at least partially blamed.

At this point the researchers need to go back to square one, and concentrate on other lines of analysis. The problem is the public still equates vaccines with possible autism.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I don't think anyone here would want to go back to pre-vaccines. O'the time when ten million a year could die.

 

[barry1960]

It was a choice, you went with the insult first, I reciprocated. Still in your court.

Besides the social interaction issues what are the other symptoms of Asparagers that put it on the line of more serious autistic disorders?

Since it is a spectrum the degree of effect will vary greatly, From a pragmatic view it is all serious. What percentage of those on the autistic spectrum will be self-supporting or will require support services. That is, no taxes in, lots of services out. For all but the highest functioning Asparagers these people will not be self-supporting. Most peoploe with Asparagers will not. Maybe you might get a few sheltered workshops out of the others.

Now for frequency, 1 in a 100 is a catastrophie. The human toll on the individual and family is staggering. The economic cost will impact the next generation. That is why we need to look into the vaccine connection. Run some honest studies. Re-think our vaccination schedule. I am not talking about terminating vaccines, but that is the position many pro-vaccine people try to pigeon hole anyone who is concerned about a possible connection between autism and vaccines.

Does anyone believe that the rise autism rates can be attriburted to genetics, age of fathers, drug use and different diagnostic criteria? That is an ignorant position. It is all liklihood genetically related with other factors being a trigger.

For example, do we really need to be vaccinating for chicken pox? Can the vasccination schedule be rolled back a bit to allay parental concerns? Can we try more single dose vaccines? Or is the option to demonize those who do not vaccinate and move towards forced vaccines better? That seems to be where we are heading.

The problem is 95% of the concern with vaccines being a trigger for autism are still based on that discredited study from the lancet.

Lancet Retracts Study Tying Measles, Mumps and Rubella Vaccine to Autism - WSJ.com

That study has been retracted, and the person respobsible for it has had thier medical license stripped from them. Yet vaccines still get blamed for autism, or at least partially blamed.

At this point the researchers need to go back to square one, and concentrate on other lines of analysis. The problem is the public still equates vaccines with possible autism.

The study has been discredited and the British physician who conducted persecuted. The concern of vaccinations pre-dated this study so it is false to say 95% of the concern revolves around this discredited study. The public still equates vaccines with autism because of two coincidences that have not been explained:

1) The onset of autistic symptoms after vaccinations

2) The increase in vaccinations coinciding with a ten fold increase in autism

There are two problems here:

1) The rise in autism
2) The loss of public confidence in vaccinations resulting in lower overall rate of vaccination and the endangerment of herd immunity

There are some solutions:

1) Change the vaccination schedule. Reduce some of the less important vaccinations such as smallpox. Spread the vaccines out more and no more multi-vaccine shots.

2) Do some honest studies between autism rates between vaccinated and unvaccinated.

Or the other route:

1) Outright deny there could be a link between vaccinations and autism

2) Since this will not restore public confidence, pass laws to force vaccinations and have law enforcement drag the children from their homes to enforce these laws

3) If autism rates continue to climb, blame it on genetics, drug use, age of the father, over-diagnosis, and parents looking for government handouts.

4) Minimize the consequences and cut social services because we cannot avoid to support the millions of autistics in this country. Let the families look to churches and charitable institutions for assistance.

As far as going back to square one, I do not see a concentration of research in vaccinations, only unaddressed parental fear. Researchers are looking elsewhere and pretty much avoid avoiding vannines. The pharmacuetical companies and the CDC do have a vested interest and no one wants to risk their wrath.