Unions: The New 'Dinosaurs'?

[Toronado3800]

Huh. Lets start with the violence issue.

Are you all familiar with the Pinkertons.

That was like 70-80 years ago, right?
How about today?
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Gotta know where you came from and how you got there.

Are those airline pilots you are talking down on btw

 

[The Rabbi]

So the fact that there were Pinkerton agents 100 years ago excuses union thuggery today?

Really?

 

[Toronado3800]

So the fact that there were Pinkerton agents 100 years ago excuses union thuggery today?

Really?

Not really, but it explains how the mafia strongman types got their hold.

Terrible what them rich folks did with the Pinkertons in the name of a buck huh.

Think society has come far? No, we have merely taken union won workers "rights" and entrusted big brother with maintaining them.

 

[william the wie]

Best advice I ever got was never work in a union shop because management is guaranteed to be a pack of assholes.

 

[The Rabbi]

So the fact that there were Pinkerton agents 100 years ago excuses union thuggery today?

Really?

Not really, but it explains how the mafia strongman types got their hold.

Terrible what them rich folks did with the Pinkertons in the name of a buck huh.

Think society has come far? No, we have merely taken union won workers "rights" and entrusted big brother with maintaining them.

Whatever happened 100 years ago pales in comparison to the union corruption, violence and thuggery we see around us every day.

 

[thanatos144]

The uprising of labor to demand safer working conditions and better pay were not unions.....They were people who worked there getting together......They were not some monolithic machine that puts its nose in every place and FORCES all businesses and workers to join.

 

[Toronado3800]

So the fact that there were Pinkerton agents 100 years ago excuses union thuggery today?

Really?

Not really, but it explains how the mafia strongman types got their hold.

Terrible what them rich folks did with the Pinkertons in the name of a buck huh.

Think society has come far? No, we have merely taken union won workers "rights" and entrusted big brother with maintaining them.

Whatever happened 100 years ago pales in comparison to the union corruption, violence and thuggery we see around us every day.

Anti-union violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Every time I read about this there is some incident I was unaware of. Unions were compelled to find strongmen of their own and while the Pinkertons and others were unable to immediately break the will of the workers they did scar their unions by leaving a dispicable mafia presence.

Remember unions are a formation of many humans, aka employees, and even if a worker/slave is only 3/5 a "human" business owner in your eyes the employees are still the majority. Darned good of the many comes into play.

 

[The Rabbi]

Not really, but it explains how the mafia strongman types got their hold.

Terrible what them rich folks did with the Pinkertons in the name of a buck huh.

Think society has come far? No, we have merely taken union won workers "rights" and entrusted big brother with maintaining them.

Whatever happened 100 years ago pales in comparison to the union corruption, violence and thuggery we see around us every day.

Anti-union violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Every time I read about this there is some incident I was unaware of. Unions were compelled to find strongmen of their own and while the Pinkertons and others were unable to immediately break the will of the workers they did scar their unions by leaving a dispicable mafia presence.

Remember unions are a formation of many humans, aka employees, and even if a worker/slave is only 3/5 a "human" business owner in your eyes the employees are still the majority. Darned good of the many comes into play.

So what happened 100 years ago excuses violence today?

Corporations are also formations of many humans, aka managers and owners, and I realize to you they simply represent sheep to be fleeced for your little socialist schemes.

 

[Rshermr]

Whatever happened 100 years ago pales in comparison to the union corruption, violence and thuggery we see around us every day.

Anti-union violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Every time I read about this there is some incident I was unaware of. Unions were compelled to find strongmen of their own and while the Pinkertons and others were unable to immediately break the will of the workers they did scar their unions by leaving a dispicable mafia presence.

Remember unions are a formation of many humans, aka employees, and even if a worker/slave is only 3/5 a "human" business owner in your eyes the employees are still the majority. Darned good of the many comes into play.

So what happened 100 years ago excuses violence today?

Corporations are also formations of many humans, aka managers and owners, and I realize to you they simply represent sheep to be fleeced for your little socialist schemes.

Look, rabbi is a con tool. As soon as you post union in a title of a thread, you know what you will get from rabbi. No conversation at all. Just con dogma.
So, apparently rabbi thinks that people change. Some sort of metamorphosis has happened that will make corporations more interested in their employees. All princes today, you know.

So here is the issue.
Top 1% Got 93% of Income Growth as Rich-Poor Gap Widened - Bloomberg

So, read this article. Simple facts. And the cons do not want you to understand, and do not want you to believe it is a problem. But this IS the problem. The wealthy have been getting a larger and larger piece of the pie as they are able to roll over unions. They have a well funded propoganda campaign telling all that will listen that the unions are bad, and that they should be out of the way.

We need perspective. Unions are far from perfect. And when business enterprises were small, we did not much need unions. But as business enterprises have grown, and grown, and corporations became the norm, and huge corporations became common, and multinational corporations took over, and mergers and acquisitions became so common, then you have monopoly power unbridaled.
We no longer use the antitrust laws except in extreme situations.
So where does that leave labor. Where does that leave the guy, working for a corporation making billions in profits, while he is forced to take a second job. The ceo is worried about auto elevators in his home, while the worker is worried about loosing his modest home.
So, does the worker go to the ceo and say I need a raise? Obviously that does not happen. It is not 1850 any more. We no longer live in an agrarian society. So, if there is to be any chance for a better life for the workers of the world, it is unions, imperfect as they may be. Then maybe, just maybe, we will start to see some change.

 

[The Rabbi]

You dont really hold a job, do you?

 

[Rshermr]

You dont really hold a job, do you?

I am so humbled. I did not know that you cared about my personal situation.
No, rabbi, I retired recently after working for 44 years.
Question is, rabbi, how do you manage to be around this post all day every day?? You get paid to post dogma?? Or do you just do it for free cause you are light on the grey matter?

 

[Old Rocks]

'Conservatives', old pale dinosaurs?

 

[Old Rocks]

So the fact that there were Pinkerton agents 100 years ago excuses union thuggery today?

Really?

Ludlow and Blair Mountain. The unions primary mistake was not taking the violence to the people at the top.

 

[The Rabbi]

You dont really hold a job, do you?

I am so humbled. I did not know that you cared about my personal situation.
No, rabbi, I retired recently after working for 44 years.
Question is, rabbi, how do you manage to be around this post all day every day?? You get paid to post dogma?? Or do you just do it for free cause you are light on the grey matter?

You must not have done much or paid attention. Typically people who work understand that employers are chronically short of valuable employees and seek them out. This obviates the need for unions. So unions exist only to protect people who otherwise wouldn't be protected,i.e. the lazy shiftless and worthless.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Not really, but it explains how the mafia strongman types got their hold.

Terrible what them rich folks did with the Pinkertons in the name of a buck huh.

Think society has come far? No, we have merely taken union won workers "rights" and entrusted big brother with maintaining them.

Whatever happened 100 years ago pales in comparison to the union corruption, violence and thuggery we see around us every day.

Anti-union violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Every time I read about this there is some incident I was unaware of. Unions were compelled to find strongmen of their own and while the Pinkertons and others were unable to immediately break the will of the workers they did scar their unions by leaving a dispicable mafia presence.

Remember unions are a formation of many humans, aka employees, and even if a worker/slave is only 3/5 a "human" business owner in your eyes the employees are still the majority. Darned good of the many comes into play.

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http://www.redstate.com/tag/seiu-thugs/

 

[Toronado3800]

Don't misunderstand. I am not saying union fellows don't deserve the credit the get for intimidation of picket line crossers. And I was soo rooting for the Feds to take down Tony Soprano in that last episode. I am no friend of organized crime.

I just like popping up the historical perspective on what monsters our nation guard and corporations have been AS WELL. There are TERRIBLE union guys too.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Don't misunderstand. I am not saying union fellows don't deserve the credit the get for intimidation of picket line crossers. And I was soo rooting for the Feds to take down Tony Soprano in that last episode. I am no friend of organized crime.

I just like popping up the historical perspective on what monsters our nation guard and corporations have been AS WELL. There are TERRIBLE union guys too.

As I have stated that I support unions in general, but this pretty much documents union intimidation as a method of choice:


"The free-choice legislation passed the U.S. House of Representatives in 2007 on a party-line vote but did not pass the Senate. Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was a co-sponsor in the Senate and is likely to sign it if he's elected.
Opponents of the measure say it goes against the democratic principles of the secret ballot because union officials would be able to determine who is for and against their efforts through the signed authorization cards."

 

[The Rabbi]

Don't misunderstand. I am not saying union fellows don't deserve the credit the get for intimidation of picket line crossers. And I was soo rooting for the Feds to take down Tony Soprano in that last episode. I am no friend of organized crime.

I just like popping up the historical perspective on what monsters our nation guard and corporations have been AS WELL. There are TERRIBLE union guys too.

Except you miss the point that corporate intimidation of workers is 100 years old while union thuggery goes on today. There is no equivalence here.

 

[Toronado3800]

Don't misunderstand. I am not saying union fellows don't deserve the credit the get for intimidation of picket line crossers. And I was soo rooting for the Feds to take down Tony Soprano in that last episode. I am no friend of organized crime.

I just like popping up the historical perspective on what monsters our nation guard and corporations have been AS WELL. There are TERRIBLE union guys too.

Except you miss the point that corporate intimidation of workers is 100 years old while union thuggery goes on today. There is no equivalence here.

I did not say it was ok. I just said how it got started.

Now if you really really wanna argue I could say the threat of union violence may be necessary after seeing what Union Carbide would do for a buck but man, mostly I am just saying that as I feel pushed into a corner by talk radio style bully tactics and it makes me want to argue with you.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

[ I am just saying that as I feel pushed into a corner by talk radio style bully tactics and it makes me want to argue with you.

this is why you appear to be so stupid. You argue not because you have better more logical arguments, but becuase your weak psychology forces you too.

Keep it up you make all liberals look stupid with your stupid arguments!!