Understanding the Tenth Amendment

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Essentially, the story of our Constitution goes like this: After the Declaration of Independence, there were thirteen colonies that transitioned to mini-COUNTRIES (a "State" is a country, not a subdivision of a country) that generally agreed that they needed to combine in some way, but disagreed about how.

The ultimate deal was that they would centralize the government functions where it made sense to do them collectively, but retain all other government functions for themselves. The listing of the functions that were ceded to the new central government are listed in Article I, Section 8...the "powers" of Congress.

They include things like printing money, funding the Armed Forces and the post office, regulating commerce with foreign countries and commerce among (but not within) the different states, and so on. It all makes good sense.

The Tenth Amendment is the flip side of that coin. It says in essence that the powers of the central government are detailed in the Constitution, and ALL OTHER POWERS are reserved to the States and the private sector. So if Congress does something that goes outside the powers listed in Article I, it is unconstitutional.

Given how Congress spends our money these days, the most astounding thing about Article I is that NONE of Congress' powers includes the power to convey any benefit to any individual person. That would include food, healthcare, housing, education, or cash. Congress lacks the Constitutional power to fund any of these benefits. NPR? Department of Education? Are you kidding me?

The principle is illustrated by President Grover Cleveland's veto in 1887 of the "Texas Seed Bill." He explained that the bill was unconstitutional because Congress lacked the power to provide any benefit to individuals.

And guess what: Nothing in the Constitution has changed since 1887; the same principle still applies.

Constitutional illiterates like to point to the "general welfare" wording in Article I, but if their reading of Article I were valid there would have been no point in detailing the powers laid out in Section 8.

Do you want a balanced budget? Stop the unconstitutional spending. Done.

Social Security and Medicare are a separate matter altogether, as they are theoretically not funded by taxes. I'm willing to argue those programs, but they are not part of this discussion.
 
Essentially, the story of our Constitution goes like this: After the Declaration of Independence, there were thirteen colonies that transitioned to mini-COUNTRIES (a "State" is a country, not a subdivision of a country) that generally agreed that they needed to combine in some way, but disagreed about how.

The ultimate deal was that they would centralize the government functions where it made sense to do them collectively, but retain all other government functions for themselves. The listing of the functions that were ceded to the new central government are listed in Article I, Section 8...the "powers" of Congress.

They include things like printing money, funding the Armed Forces and the post office, regulating commerce with foreign countries and commerce among (but not within) the different states, and so on. It all makes good sense.

The Tenth Amendment is the flip side of that coin. It says in essence that the powers of the central government are detailed in the Constitution, and ALL OTHER POWERS are reserved to the States and the private sector. So if Congress does something that goes outside the powers listed in Article I, it is unconstitutional.

Given how Congress spends our money these days, the most astounding thing about Article I is that NONE of Congress' powers includes the power to convey any benefit to any individual person. That would include food, healthcare, housing, education, or cash. Congress lacks the Constitutional power to fund any of these benefits. NPR? Department of Education? Are you kidding me?

The principle is illustrated by President Grover Cleveland's veto in 1887 of the "Texas Seed Bill." He explained that the bill was unconstitutional because Congress lacked the power to provide any benefit to individuals.

And guess what: Nothing in the Constitution has changed since 1887; the same principle still applies.

Constitutional illiterates like to point to the "general welfare" wording in Article I, but if their reading of Article I were valid there would have been no point in detailing the powers laid out in Section 8.

Do you want a balanced budget? Stop the unconstitutional spending. Done.

Social Security and Medicare are a separate matter altogether, as they are theoretically not funded by taxes. I'm willing to argue those programs, but they are not part of this discussion.
Stop giving Elon Musk money since it is not provisioned as such in the Constitution.
 
Essentially, the story of our Constitution goes like this: After the Declaration of Independence, there were thirteen colonies that transitioned to mini-COUNTRIES (a "State" is a country, not a subdivision of a country) that generally agreed that they needed to combine in some way, but disagreed about how.

The ultimate deal was that they would centralize the government functions where it made sense to do them collectively, but retain all other government functions for themselves. The listing of the functions that were ceded to the new central government are listed in Article I, Section 8...the "powers" of Congress.

They include things like printing money, funding the Armed Forces and the post office, regulating commerce with foreign countries and commerce among (but not within) the different states, and so on. It all makes good sense.

The Tenth Amendment is the flip side of that coin. It says in essence that the powers of the central government are detailed in the Constitution, and ALL OTHER POWERS are reserved to the States and the private sector. So if Congress does something that goes outside the powers listed in Article I, it is unconstitutional.

Given how Congress spends our money these days, the most astounding thing about Article I is that NONE of Congress' powers includes the power to convey any benefit to any individual person. That would include food, healthcare, housing, education, or cash. Congress lacks the Constitutional power to fund any of these benefits. NPR? Department of Education? Are you kidding me?

The principle is illustrated by President Grover Cleveland's veto in 1887 of the "Texas Seed Bill." He explained that the bill was unconstitutional because Congress lacked the power to provide any benefit to individuals.

And guess what: Nothing in the Constitution has changed since 1887; the same principle still applies.

Constitutional illiterates like to point to the "general welfare" wording in Article I, but if their reading of Article I were valid there would have been no point in detailing the powers laid out in Section 8.

Do you want a balanced budget? Stop the unconstitutional spending. Done.

Social Security and Medicare are a separate matter altogether, as they are theoretically not funded by taxes. I'm willing to argue those programs, but they are not part of this discussion.

SCOTUS decides what is constitutional ... and the President appoints and Congress approves the justices ... elect better congresspeoples ... problem solved ...

A balanced budget means less government service ... let each state decide their own level of government regulation, and taxation ... "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." ...
 
Stop giving Elon Musk money since it is not provisioned as such in the Constitution.
The same can be said for every Government contract. Are you saying we should stop space exploration ? Musk's SpaceX is better and cheaper than companies like Boeing and NASA is nothing but a bloated Bureaucracy.
 
The same can be said for every Government contract. Are you saying we should stop space exploration ? Musk's SpaceX is better and cheaper than companies like Boeing and NASA is nothing but a bloated Bureaucracy.
It's not in the Constitution.
 
It's not in the Constitution.

Are you using dollars for commerce? ... because those dollars have crossed state lines and are covered in the interstate commerce clauses of the Constitution ...

This is how we outlawed slavery ... tough beans if you don't like it ...
 
Stop giving Elon Musk money since it is not provisioned as such in the Constitution.
I think that they are going to do away with the EV tax credit.
Electric vehicle (EV) tax breaks may hit a dead end under Trump’s ‘Big Beautiful Bill’
 
You mean like the corrupt whackos of the FDR court?

No ... I mean the corrupt politicians who confirmed these judges you don't like ... how far are you behind on child support? ...

The sad part is Republicans have been bragging about stuffing the courts with conservative judges, and Bubba still complains ... too funny ...
 
No ... I mean the corrupt politicians who confirmed these judges you don't like ... how far are you behind on child support? ...

The sad part is Republicans have been bragging about stuffing the courts with conservative judges, and Bubba still complains ... too funny ...

What judges do I not like ? I don't recall saying that.
 
thus the term '10ther'......~S~
10ther tends to refer to those who believe in nullification and use the 10th amendment as their justification.

The concept is incorrect in that states can't pick and choose which federal laws they will follow.

While there is passive nullification, this is more behavior than anything.
 
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Bubba's this stupid:



[Hand wave] ... maybe, if you're able, you should read the Articles of Confederation ...
That was 100 years ago you moron.

I have been more than pleased with the judged Trump appointed to the SCOTUS in his first term. Hoping Kagen will keel over sometime soon.
 
I like that Tenth Amendment organization. I'll have to revisit their site.
 
The 10th is clear: If a "power" is not granted to the Feds in the Constitution, then it is reserved to the States and/or the private sector.

Where in Article I (or elsewhere) is the "power" given to Congress to provide FOOD, HOUSING, HEALTHCARE, or EDUCATION to the masses?

I'll wait.
 

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