No, they have Title 24.Do they have an occupation there, too?
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No, they have Title 24.Do they have an occupation there, too?
Can you be any more stupid and obtuse? If you can't empathize what it would be like to live under the occupation of a foreign force, then you got no business commenting on why the rockets are fired.You're the one who is claiming that is the reason for the rockets, not Hamas.
And the Rockets don't stop any of the things you mentioned, all they do is piss off siuther ers and the government and from time to time they kill and cause damage. Nonetheless, Israel will always strike at Hamas when they launch rockets, which is exactly what Hamas wants.
Let's face it, you're an Israeli homer, who has no intention of looking at this issue honestly and objectively.
(COMMENT)1967, when they held onto land they seized during the 6-day war.Billo_Really, et al,
I'm interested in the initial point of contact.
When and where?
Most Respectfully,
R
That's like saying,Lets face it, you're an anti Zionist DELUDED shmuck who's biased. All you donis cry 'it's the occupation', but you're not able to comprehend that these Hamas attacks are what's resulting in Palestinian deaths
An occupation is temporary. It is illegal to hold onto land seized in war. Israel does not own that land. Nor will they ever own that land. It doesn't matter how you classify the Palestinian's, it's irrelevant for an occupation to exist. What matters is, Israel has no clear title to that land.
In 1967:
- The West Bank was sovereign Jordanian Territory. The War between Israel and Jordan had started in 1948 when Jordan, as one of 5 armies of the Arab League, crossed their border and attempted to invaded the newly formed State of Israel. That War went into an Armistice arrangement in 1949. Jordan, with the assistance of Palestinian self-determination, annexed the West Bank in 1950. At the conclusion of the 6-Day War, the West Bank was "occupied Jordanian territory" (oJt) and NOT "occupied Palestinian territory" (oPt).
Neither the West Bank or the Gaza Strip were under the effective control of "Palestinians" in 1967 before the 6-Day War; nor was that territory under the "Palestinians" after the 6-Day War.
- The Gaza Strip was under the Egyptian Military Administrators, since 1959 when the All-Palestine Government was officially merged into the United Arab Republic. The Egyptian Military had seized the Gaza Strip when --- as one of 5 armies of the Arab League, Egyptian forces crossed their border and attempted to invaded the newly formed State of Israel in 1948 --- and transition in the 1949 Armistice arrangements. At the conclusion of the 6-Day War, the Gaza Strip went from being occupied by the Egyptians to being occupied by Israelis.
From the objective perspective of the Arab Palestinian, there was no net change. The 'effective control" changed hands.
Most Respectfully,
R
What are the most important principles governing occupation?
The duties of the occupying power are spelled out primarily in the 1907 Hague Regulations (arts 42-56) and the Fourth Geneva Convention (GC IV, art. 27-34 and 47-78), as well as in certain provisions of Additional Protocol I and customary international humanitarian law.
Agreements concluded between the occupying power and the local authorities cannot deprive the population of occupied territory of the protection afforded by international humanitarian law (GC IV, art. 47) and protected persons themselves can in no circumstances renounce their rights (GC IV, art. 8).
The main rules o f the law applicable in case of occupation state that:
- The occupant does not acquire sovereignty over the territory.
- Occupation is only a temporary situation, and the rights of the occupant are limited to the extent of that period.
- To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the occupying power must ensure sufficient hygiene and public health standards, as well as the provision of food and medical care to the population under occupation.
- Collective or individual forcible transfers of population from and within the occupied territory are prohibited.
- Transfers of the civilian population of the occupying power into the occupied territory, regardless whether forcible or voluntary, are prohibited.
- Collective punishment is prohibited.
- The taking of hostages is prohibited.
- Reprisals against protected persons or their property are prohibited.
- The confiscation of private property by the occupant is prohibited.
- The destruction or seizure of enemy property is prohibited, unless absolutely required by military necessity during the conduct of hostilities.
- Cultural property must be respected.
Nothing happens in a vacuum. They endured 37 years of martial law before the first rocket was fired. They are a population living under the belligerent occupation of a foreign force. Anything they do against that foreign force is considered resistance. That's the facts. That's the law. That's the truth.Because launching rockets indiscriminatly, suicide bombs and random shooktings isn't resisting anything. It's random violence.
Laugh all you like.....I repeat my question Again......yeah Thought NOT..............anyhow Israel are and have been in discussions with Hamas for the past 18 months...........keep up to speedI agree on one condition,THAT THE UN WEAPONS INSPECTORS,LOOK INTO ISRAELS.......NUCLEAR FACILITY.........Thought NOT“I look forward to a thorough investigation by the Israeli Defense Forces of this and other incidents in which UN facilities sustained hits and many innocent people were killed,” he said. “I am planning to move forward with an independent Board of Inquiry to look into the most serious of those cases, as well as instances in which weaponry was found on UN premises.”
UN's Ban speaks in New York to the security council. And yeah for you pali's he is mostly concerned with the destruction of his precious UN facilities and any mention of inquiry into the illegal storage of weapons at UN sites was actually just lip service.
What a cull.
Further into the article:
In his meeting on Monday with Ya’alon, Ban confirmed his intention to establish a board of inquiry, and welcomed Israel’s support in bringing reconstruction materials into Gaza. Dujarric did not have any comment on assertions by Hamas that materials now coming into Gaza under a UN mechanism will be used for rebuilding the destroyed tunnels into Israel.
Hehehe, of course no comment. It seems as though Hamas and the UN are bed fellows.
Link: UN s Ban vows inquiry into weapons found at UN sites during Gaza war
Perhaps you could explain how Israel is relevant to the matter of UNRWA's collusion with Hamas? Thought NOT.
They have indiscriminate weapons. They target anything, dumbass!Because they target schools, children and other places children congregate, and not the military. In the case of gaza they freely admit that they are not occupied so have no need to " resist " anything, yet they are the biggest offenders for targeting children.
Is there an electrical engineer here?And why is it not resistance?What Hamas does is not resistance. And no, they should not have weapons
That's like saying,Lets face it, you're an anti Zionist DELUDED shmuck who's biased. All you donis cry 'it's the occupation', but you're not able to comprehend that these Hamas attacks are what's resulting in Palestinian deaths
"It's the woman's fault she was raped; she was wearing a red dress!"
An occupation is temporary. It is illegal to hold onto land seized in war. Israel does not own that land. Nor will they ever own that land. It doesn't matter how you classify the Palestinian's, it's irrelevant for an occupation to exist. What matters is, Israel has no clear title to that land.In 1967:
- The West Bank was sovereign Jordanian Territory. The War between Israel and Jordan had started in 1948 when Jordan, as one of 5 armies of the Arab League, crossed their border and attempted to invaded the newly formed State of Israel. That War went into an Armistice arrangement in 1949. Jordan, with the assistance of Palestinian self-determination, annexed the West Bank in 1950. At the conclusion of the 6-Day War, the West Bank was "occupied Jordanian territory" (oJt) and NOT "occupied Palestinian territory" (oPt).
Neither the West Bank or the Gaza Strip were under the effective control of "Palestinians" in 1967 before the 6-Day War; nor was that territory under the "Palestinians" after the 6-Day War.
- The Gaza Strip was under the Egyptian Military Administrators, since 1959 when the All-Palestine Government was officially merged into the United Arab Republic. The Egyptian Military had seized the Gaza Strip when --- as one of 5 armies of the Arab League, Egyptian forces crossed their border and attempted to invaded the newly formed State of Israel in 1948 --- and transition in the 1949 Armistice arrangements. At the conclusion of the 6-Day War, the Gaza Strip went from being occupied by the Egyptians to being occupied by Israelis.
From the objective perspective of the Arab Palestinian, there was no net change. The 'effective control" changed hands.
Most Respectfully,
R
What are the most important principles governing occupation?
The duties of the occupying power are spelled out primarily in the 1907 Hague Regulations (arts 42-56) and the Fourth Geneva Convention (GC IV, art. 27-34 and 47-78), as well as in certain provisions of Additional Protocol I and customary international humanitarian law.
Agreements concluded between the occupying power and the local authorities cannot deprive the population of occupied territory of the protection afforded by international humanitarian law (GC IV, art. 47) and protected persons themselves can in no circumstances renounce their rights (GC IV, art. 8).
The main rules o f the law applicable in case of occupation state that:
- The occupant does not acquire sovereignty over the territory.
- Occupation is only a temporary situation, and the rights of the occupant are limited to the extent of that period.
- To the fullest extent of the means available to it, the occupying power must ensure sufficient hygiene and public health standards, as well as the provision of food and medical care to the population under occupation.
- Collective or individual forcible transfers of population from and within the occupied territory are prohibited.
- Transfers of the civilian population of the occupying power into the occupied territory, regardless whether forcible or voluntary, are prohibited.
- Collective punishment is prohibited.
- The taking of hostages is prohibited.
- Reprisals against protected persons or their property are prohibited.
- The confiscation of private property by the occupant is prohibited.
- The destruction or seizure of enemy property is prohibited, unless absolutely required by military necessity during the conduct of hostilities.
- Cultural property must be respected.
That's what palistanians have chosen as per freedom of occupation. They'd been having some other occupation otherwise, of course.They don't. They claim the right to resist occupation and oppression by any and all means at their disposal, and no people have a "right of self defence" over territory it illegally occupies. 2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978
I am still waiting for team Palestine to explain how digging a tunnel into Israel to end underneath a school and then packing the end with High Explosives to MASS MURDER all the children is seen as resistance
Care to cite a source for this allegation?
They have indiscriminate weapons. They target anything, dumbass!Because they target schools, children and other places children congregate, and not the military. In the case of gaza they freely admit that they are not occupied so have no need to " resist " anything, yet they are the biggest offenders for targeting children.
Disagree, they have inaccurate weapons.
What's a shookting?Because launching rockets indiscriminatly, suicide bombs and random shooktings isn't resisting anything. It's random violence.And why is it not resistance?What Hamas does is not resistance. And no, they should not have weapons
(CORRECTION) For proper context.An occupation is temporary. It is illegal to hold onto land seized in war. Israel does not own that land. Nor will they ever own that land. It doesn't matter how you classify the Palestinian's, it's irrelevant for an occupation to exist. What matters is, Israel has no clear title to that land.
...or take the land back themselves by any means they have at their disposal....If the Arab Palestinians want a conclusion, they must actively seek-out and negotiate a treaty. It is really that simple.
What's a shookting?Because launching rockets indiscriminatly, suicide bombs and random shooktings isn't resisting anything. It's random violence.And why is it not resistance?What Hamas does is not resistance. And no, they should not have weapons
A typo as you well know, and it is a neo Marxist trick to call out any typo when they don't have an answer to the points raised.
They have indiscriminate weapons. They target anything, dumbass!Because they target schools, children and other places children congregate, and not the military. In the case of gaza they freely admit that they are not occupied so have no need to " resist " anything, yet they are the biggest offenders for targeting children.
Disagree, they have inaccurate weapons.
They also have very accurate weapons that are used to target children, as shown by the school bus targeted by an anti tank missile.
No, it has nothing to do with the Palestinian's. Resolution 242 tells Israel to get the fuck off that land! Those settlements they keep building are a clear violation of international law. The ICC has ruled as such. You cannot transfer a part of your population into an area you occupy. And Israel is not doing anything to protect the population living under their occupation.Billo_Really, et al,
I'm not sure that I disagree entirely with this statement; with minor corrections.
(CORRECTION) For proper context.An occupation is temporary. It is illegal to hold onto land seized in war. Israel does not own that land. Nor will they ever own that land. It doesn't matter how you classify the Palestinian's, it's irrelevant for an occupation to exist. What matters is, Israel has no clear title to that land.
- Guided by the principles of the Charter of the United Nations affirming the inadmissibility of the acquisition of territory by force and recalling relevant Security Council resolutions, including resolutions 242 (1967) of 22 November 1967, 252 (1968) of 21 May 1968, 338 (1973) of 22 October 1973, 465 (1980) of 1 March 1980 and 497 (1981) of 17 December 1981,
- It is NOT "illegal to hold onto land seized in war." There is no law, convention or rule that prohibits this. What is prohibited is the annexation of territory acquired through the use of force.
In general, the State of Israel is not permanently claiming the Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967. It is not a land seizure effort in the context of ownership through a real estate "clear title."
- Reaffirming the applicability of the Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of 12 August 1949, to the Occupied Palestinian Territory (oPt), including East Jerusalem, and other Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967,
(COMMENT)
In June 67, the Israel Defense Force (IDF) occupied what remained of the territory that was allocated for the Arab State, pursuant to the Partition Plan outlined in General Assembly Resolution 181(II); the remainder of the former Mandated Palestine consisting of the:
The State of Israel became a belligerent occupation power and the civilian population, thereinafter became "protected persons." Since that time, with the exception of the Oslo Accords, the Arab Palestinians have not concluded a peace treaty with the Israelis. Thus, no final resolution has been made as to the status of Arab territories occupied by Israel since 1967.
- West Bank, including East Jerusalem, which was under Jordanian control,
- Gaza Strip, which was under Egyptian administration.
If the Arab Palestinians want a conclusion, they must actively seek-out and negotiate a treaty. It is really that simple.
Most Respectfully,
R