UN vows inquiry into weapons found at UN sites in Gaza

[docmauser1]

They don't. They claim the right to resist occupation and oppression by any and all means at their disposal, and no people have a "right of self defence" over territory it illegally occupies. 2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978

That's what palistanians have chosen as per freedom of occupation. They'd been having some other occupation otherwise, of course.

 

[docmauser1]

Drivel.

Plagiarism.

 

[Phoenall]

Billo_Really, et al,

In any civilized country in the world, you will almost find (near universally) that they are all concerned and have laws pertaining to the use of small arms and light weapons (SALW) in the furtherance of peace and stability. This is not a policy shared by the Palestinians.

Why can't Hamas have weapons?

Are you saying they don't have a right to defend themselves?

(COMMENT)

The Palestinians, in fact all people, have the right of self-defense. But no one can claim the right of aggression. In the case of the Palestinians, they have consistently initiated hostilities in the name of liberating Palestine from Israeli Occupation. The Hostile Arab Palestinian have a an established policy to eliminate the Israeli State.

Reaffirms its Resolution 1373 (2001) and in particular its decisions that all States shall prevent and suppress the financing of terrorist acts and refrain from providing any form of support, active or passive, to entities or persons involved in terrorist acts, including by suppressing recruitment of members of terrorist groups and eliminating the supply of weapons to terrorists;​

The events that fomented and instigated Operation Protective Edge are aggressive actions, with the Palestinians as the aggressor.

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  The first use of armed force by a State in contravention of the Charter shall constitute prima facie evidence of an act of aggression [Article 2. A/RES/3314(XXIX)] although the Security Council may, in conformity with the Charter.

The appropriate action, in the face of an aggressor with the well established past history of criminal and terrorist behaviors is:

Measures to eliminate international terrorism (A/RES/46/51) Calls upon all States to fulfill their obligations under international law to refrain from organizing, instigating, assisting or participating in terrorist acts in other States, or acquiescing in or encouraging activities within their territory directed towards the commission of such acts;​

The Palestinians instigated the assault on Israel, using weapons in a matter inconsistent with "self-defense."

Most Respectfully,
R

"In the case of the Palestinians, they have consistently initiated hostilities in the name of liberating Palestine from Israeli Occupation."​

As they have every right to do.

Even after Israel has ceased to occupy their land as they did in 2005 ?

Nope. Still occupied.

Who should I believe you or the co founder of hamas . I think I will go with Mahmoud Zahar


Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Ma’an, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency.
Zahar was casting doubt on whether Hamas would organize anti-Israel marches in Gaza in conjunction with similar protests that the Fatah-controlled Palestinian Authority would organize in the West Bank.
“Against whom could we demonstrate in the Gaza Strip? When Gaza was occupied, that model was applicable,” Zahar said.
The radical Islamist organization has merely recognized the obvious: that after Israel in 2005 dismantled its military administration in Gaza, forcibly evicted all Israeli residents and withdrew every last soldier, Israel no longer occupies the territory by any legal definition or other sense of the term.
Whatever external control Israel – and Egypt - may exercise, everyone in Gaza knows that Hamas rules the territory with an iron fist.


Hamas says Gaza not occupied UN disagrees

 

[Phoenall]

Challenger, et al,

Yes, I've seen this before and used by pro-Johadist.

The Palestinians, in fact all people, have the right of self-defense. But no one can claim the right of aggression...

They don't. They claim the right to resist occupation and oppression by any and all means at their disposal, and no people have a "right of self defence" over territory it illegally occupies.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;

A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978

(COMMENT)

It is a non-bidding General Assembly Resolution that pre-dates the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence. So, even if it were applicable, its application ceased on the acquisition of Independence.

Secondly, it is applicable to non-self-governing states seeking relief from foreign domination and occupation; not a rogue state controlled by international terrorists and Jihadist. It doesn't apply to states governed by governments with a long past history of criminal behaviors.

You will notice that it is never used as a recollection in Resolutions talking about Palestine.

Most Respectfully,
R

On the contrary, this and several other preceeding resolutions form part of the corpus of Customary International Law in that the overwhelming majority of states on the planet recognise the validity of the principle involved. Moreover, since the fundamental, collective human right to self-determination is arguably the cornerstone of the entire international legal order, no nation state can legally oppose or prevent a peoples' right to self determination, which can entail resisting an armed foreign occupation of their land and oppression of their people.

Which the Palestinians have been granted when they declared independence under UN res 181. There was no interference from any source to oppose their free determination then or since. What has happened is they have shown their inability to self govern and act in accordance with the UN charter that calls for dialogue and debate instead of violence and war.

Drivel.

Nope historical fact backed up by the Palestinians themselves, now who should I believe you or the Palestinians. I think I will go for who knows best, the Palestinians.

 

[Phoenall]

They don't. They claim the right to resist occupation and oppression by any and all means at their disposal, and no people have a "right of self defence" over territory it illegally occupies. 2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978

That's what palistanians have chosen as per freedom of occupation. They'd been having some other occupation otherwise, of course.

I am still waiting for team Palestine to explain how digging a tunnel into Israel to end underneath a school and then packing the end with High Explosives to MASS MURDER all the children is seen as resistance

 

[RoccoR]

Phoenall, et al,

Sometimes I just have to chuckle at the Palestinians; as well as the UNRWA.

Who should I believe you or the co founder of hamas . I think I will go with Mahmoud Zahar

Hamas co-founder Mahmoud Zahar confirmed Tuesday there is no Israeli occupation of Gaza, according to a report published by Ma’an, a Bethlehem- based Palestinian news agency.
Zahar was casting doubt on whether Hamas would organize anti-Israel marches in Gaza in conjunction with similar protests that the Fatah-controlled Palestinian Authority would organize in the West Bank.
“Against whom could we demonstrate in the Gaza Strip? When Gaza was occupied, that model was applicable,” Zahar said.
The radical Islamist organization has merely recognized the obvious: that after Israel in 2005 dismantled its military administration in Gaza, forcibly evicted all Israeli residents and withdrew every last soldier, Israel no longer occupies the territory by any legal definition or other sense of the term.
Whatever external control Israel – and Egypt - may exercise, everyone in Gaza knows that Hamas rules the territory with an iron fist.

Hamas says Gaza not occupied UN disagrees

(COMMENT)

All the arguments that the pro-Palestinian movement in Gaza use just flew out the window. Since 2005, the claim of "Occupation" (by the Israelis) in Gaza --- absence of "effective control" (by the Israeli) has been bogus.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Billo_Really]

What Hamas does is not resistance. And no, they should not have weapons

And why is it not resistance?

 

[Phoenall]

What Hamas does is not resistance. And no, they should not have weapons

And why is it not resistance?

Because they target schools, children and other places children congregate, and not the military. In the case of gaza they freely admit that they are not occupied so have no need to " resist " anything, yet they are the biggest offenders for targeting children.

 

[toastman]

What Hamas does is not resistance. And no, they should not have weapons

And why is it not resistance?

Because launching rockets indiscriminatly, suicide bombs and random shooktings isn't resisting anything. It's random violence.

 

[Billo_Really]

Because launching rockets indiscriminatly, suicide bombs and random shooktings isn't resisting anything. It's random violence.

Nothing happens in a vacuum. They endured 37 years of martial law before the first rocket was fired. They are a population living under the belligerent occupation of a foreign force. Anything they do against that foreign force is considered resistance. That's the facts. That's the law. That's the truth.

 

[Billo_Really]

Because they target schools, children and other places children congregate, and not the military. In the case of gaza they freely admit that they are not occupied so have no need to " resist " anything, yet they are the biggest offenders for targeting children.

They have indiscriminate weapons. They target anything, dumbass!

 

[docmauser1]

What Hamas does is not resistance. And no, they should not have weapons

And why is it not resistance?

Is there an electrical engineer here?

 

[docmauser1]

Nothing happens in a vacuum. They endured 37 years of martial law before the first rocket was fired. They are a population living under the belligerent occupation of a foreign force. Anything they do against that foreign force is considered resistance. That's the facts. That's the law. That's the truth.

That's drivel.

 

[Challenger]

Nothing happens in a vacuum. They endured 37 years of martial law before the first rocket was fired. They are a population living under the belligerent occupation of a foreign force. Anything they do against that foreign force is considered resistance. That's the facts. That's the law. That's the truth.

That's drivel.

No that's plagiarism.

 

[Challenger]

They don't. They claim the right to resist occupation and oppression by any and all means at their disposal, and no people have a "right of self defence" over territory it illegally occupies. 2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978

That's what palistanians have chosen as per freedom of occupation. They'd been having some other occupation otherwise, of course.

I am still waiting for team Palestine to explain how digging a tunnel into Israel to end underneath a school and then packing the end with High Explosives to MASS MURDER all the children is seen as resistance

Care to cite a source for this allegation?

 

[Challenger]

Because they target schools, children and other places children congregate, and not the military. In the case of gaza they freely admit that they are not occupied so have no need to " resist " anything, yet they are the biggest offenders for targeting children.

They have indiscriminate weapons. They target anything, dumbass!

Disagree, they have inaccurate weapons.

 

[Challenger]

What Hamas does is not resistance. And no, they should not have weapons

And why is it not resistance?

Because launching rockets indiscriminatly, suicide bombs and random shooktings isn't resisting anything. It's random violence.

What's a shookting?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Challenger, et al,

Yes, I've seen this before and used by pro-Johadist.

The Palestinians, in fact all people, have the right of self-defense. But no one can claim the right of aggression...

They don't. They claim the right to resist occupation and oppression by any and all means at their disposal, and no people have a "right of self defence" over territory it illegally occupies.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;

A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978

(COMMENT)

It is a non-bidding General Assembly Resolution that pre-dates the 1988 Palestinian Declaration of Independence. So, even if it were applicable, its application ceased on the acquisition of Independence.

Secondly, it is applicable to non-self-governing states seeking relief from foreign domination and occupation; not a rogue state controlled by international terrorists and Jihadist. It doesn't apply to states governed by governments with a long past history of criminal behaviors.

You will notice that it is never used as a recollection in Resolutions talking about Palestine.

Most Respectfully,
R

Considering that the activities of Israel, in particular the denial to the Palestinian people of their right to self-determination and independence, constitute a serious and increasing threat to international peace and security,

Indignant at the continued violations of the human rights of the peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, the continuation of the illegal occupation of Namibia and South Africa's attempts to dismember its territory, the perpetuation of the racist minority régimes in Zimbabwe and South Africa and the denial to the Palestinian people of their inalienable national rights,

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;

10. Strongly condemns all Governments which do not recognize the right of self-determination and independence of all peoples still under colonial and foreign domination and alien subjugation, notably the peoples of Africa and the Palestinian people;

12. Further condemns the expansionist activities of Israel in the Middle East, as well as the continuous bombing of civilian Arab and, in particular, Palestinian populations and the destruction of their villages and encampments, which constitutes a serious obstacles to the realization of the self-determination and independence of the Palestinian people.

A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978

 

[docmauser1]

Nothing happens in a vacuum. They endured 37 years of martial law before the first rocket was fired. They are a population living under the belligerent occupation of a foreign force. Anything they do against that foreign force is considered resistance. That's the facts. That's the law. That's the truth.

That's drivel.

No that's plagiarism.

Did our honorable billo_really plagiarize our honorable challenger?

 

[toastman]

Because launching rockets indiscriminatly, suicide bombs and random shooktings isn't resisting anything. It's random violence.

Nothing happens in a vacuum. They endured 37 years of martial law before the first rocket was fired. They are a population living under the belligerent occupation of a foreign force. Anything they do against that foreign force is considered resistance. That's the facts. That's the law. That's the truth.

Try again. They are launching rockets in Israel which is not occupied.
Regardless, you are claiming that Hamas can do ANYTHING they want to Israel and call it resistance. Well understand this. Israel will always hit back at the so called 'resistance'.