Trump seeks to prop up coal (and restart coal fired plants) to feed AI power demand

[1srelluc]

MSN

President Trump signed executive orders Tuesday that use Energy Department emergency authorities and a war-time law to boost the sagging coal industry.

Why it matters: The White House is seeking to lean on coal-fired power —which has been in a steady decline in the U.S. over the last 15 years — to feed rising energy demand driven by artificial intelligence.

What he's saying: "We're ending Joe Biden's war on beautiful, clean coal," Trump said flanked by coal miners in hard hats in the East Room of the White House.

• The orders slash "unnecessary regulations," "rapidly expedite leases and coal mining on federal lands," and "end the government bias against coal," Trump said.

What's inside: The text of the orders weren't immediately available, but Trump said he is invoking the Defense Production Act to back the industry. Trump said he signed a separate order granting emergency authorities under the DOE to keep coal plants running.

We have to. Many of them were closed with no backup plan in place to reconcile the drop in energy production. That was unwise for obvious reasons, but it was the status quo for a while.

The US can't bridge the needed power gap economically until new nuke plants are in place and outputting power. We need cheap power now to afford to build nuke plants.

 

[Manonthestreet]

convert em to natural gas if ya want

 

[Crepitus]

MSN

President Trump signed executive orders Tuesday that use Energy Department emergency authorities and a war-time law to boost the sagging coal industry.

Why it matters: The White House is seeking to lean on coal-fired power —which has been in a steady decline in the U.S. over the last 15 years — to feed rising energy demand driven by artificial intelligence.

What he's saying: "We're ending Joe Biden's war on beautiful, clean coal," Trump said flanked by coal miners in hard hats in the East Room of the White House.

• The orders slash "unnecessary regulations," "rapidly expedite leases and coal mining on federal lands," and "end the government bias against coal," Trump said.

What's inside: The text of the orders weren't immediately available, but Trump said he is invoking the Defense Production Act to back the industry. Trump said he signed a separate order granting emergency authorities under the DOE to keep coal plants running.

We have to. Many of them were closed with no backup plan in place to reconcile the drop in energy production. That was unwise for obvious reasons, but it was the status quo for a while.

The US can't bridge the needed power gap economically until new nuke plants are in place and outputting power. We need cheap power now to afford to build nuke plants.

"defense production act"?

Don't we need to be at war for that? Or at least in some kind of emergency?

Elmo's AI energy needs are not an emergency, BTW.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

There isn't enough coal in the Earth to power all the coming AI datacenters. And its too expensive. Why do you think the companies building these datacenters are looking at nuclear?

Plus, I heard today that the geniuses at HHS have ended the CDC's funding of research and treatments for black lung disease.
So..you should have those 20 something miners lining up at the door.

 

[Votto]

There isn't enough coal in the Earth to power all the coming AI datacenters. And its too expensive. Why do you think the companies building these datacenters are looking at nuclear?

Plus, I heard today that the geniuses at HHS have ended the CDC's funding of research and treatments for black lung disease.
So..you should have those 20 something miners lining up at the door.

Any idea how long it takes to get nuclear up and running genius?

If the Left would have promoted nuclear, which is the only feasible noncarbon energy source available, these things could have been started 4 years ago, but no because the Left thinks nuclear is yucky.

So, in the meantime, you use what you have which is carbon.

Instead of blaming Trump for everything, look in the mirror for a change.

 

[Correll]

MSN

President Trump signed executive orders Tuesday that use Energy Department emergency authorities and a war-time law to boost the sagging coal industry.

Why it matters: The White House is seeking to lean on coal-fired power —which has been in a steady decline in the U.S. over the last 15 years — to feed rising energy demand driven by artificial intelligence.

What he's saying: "We're ending Joe Biden's war on beautiful, clean coal," Trump said flanked by coal miners in hard hats in the East Room of the White House.

• The orders slash "unnecessary regulations," "rapidly expedite leases and coal mining on federal lands," and "end the government bias against coal," Trump said.

What's inside: The text of the orders weren't immediately available, but Trump said he is invoking the Defense Production Act to back the industry. Trump said he signed a separate order granting emergency authorities under the DOE to keep coal plants running.

We have to. Many of them were closed with no backup plan in place to reconcile the drop in energy production. That was unwise for obvious reasons, but it was the status quo for a while.

The US can't bridge the needed power gap economically until new nuke plants are in place and outputting power. We need cheap power now to afford to build nuke plants.

Makes sense. And don't forget all the electric vechiles that we are supposedly switching to.

 

[Votto]

Makes sense. And don't forget all the electric vechiles that we are supposedly switching to.

You mean the EV's Leftists are burning?

That's right everyone, the Left is stopping people from using carbon free cars and burning them instead, which releases carbon into the atmosphere as they are then forced to buy carbon emitting cars so they are no longer targeted for Left wing terrorism.

Now do you still believe these lunatics really believe their Climate Cult talking points?

I know I don't believe they do.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

Any idea how long it takes to get nuclear up and running genius?

If the Left would have promoted nuclear, which is the only feasible noncarbon energy source available, these things could have been started 4 years ago, but no because the Left thinks nuclear is yucky.

So, in the meantime, you use what you have which is carbon.

Instead of blaming Trump for everything, look in the mirror for a change.

A shorter period of time than it would take to mine enough coal to power one of these plants for more than a few weeks.
I'm guessing you're not familiar with the power requirements of a 24x7x365 data center. ...Pssttt...coal ain't gonna cut it. Too expensive to produce, too much of an environmental hassle...wait, wait a minute, didn't Skippy say he was gonna bring back coal in his first term?...how'd that work out?

 

[Votto]

A shorter period of time than it would take to mine enough coal to power one of these plants for more than a few weeks.
I'm guessing you're not familiar with the power requirements of a 24x7x365 data center. ...Pssttt...coal ain't gonna cut it. Too expensive to produce, too much of an environmental hassle...wait, wait a minute, didn't Skippy say he was gonna bring back coal in his first term?...how'd that work out?

Trump is promoting to keep the coal producing centers running dolt while I am talking about trying to build entire nuclear centers of power that is not there.

 

[Correll]

You mean the EV's Leftists are burning?

That's right everyone, the Left is stopping people from using carbon free cars and burning them instead, which releases carbon into the atmosphere as they are then forced to buy carbon emitting cars so they are no longer targeted for Left wing terrorism.

Now do you still believe these lunatics really believe their Climate Cult talking points?

I know I don't believe they do.

I realize that their actions prove that no, they don't believe them.

BUT, a lot of those e.v.s are still out there or in the pipeline.

I don't know how much will come of it, but the more that does, the more strain on the electric grid, which is already not up to snuff.

 

[eagle1462010]

We have a 200 year supply of coal.

Good

 

[1srelluc]

You mean the EV's Leftists are burning?

That's right everyone, the Left is stopping people from using carbon free cars and burning them instead, which releases carbon into the atmosphere as they are then forced to buy carbon emitting cars so they are no longer targeted for Left wing terrorism.

Now do you still believe these lunatics really believe their Climate Cult talking points?

I know I don't believe they do.

I heard that the leftists blew-up a Tesla Supercharging staion in WA last evening.

MSN

Police said they are investigating the incident as “malicious mischief,” which describes the intentional damaging of someone’s property, and encourage anyone with information to reach out to the FBI.

Sounds more like terrorism to me.

 

[Moonglow]

Some people never stop trying to use a fuel that costs more than the cheaper fuels..

 

[fncceo]

Don't we need to be at war for that?

Do you need to be at war to defend yourself?

We might have to disband the Department of Defence.

 

[initforme]

The price of coal will be going up accordingly. So the price of energy will be increasing as well. Coal miners will be earning much more than the market says and that will be a good thing.

 

[Correll]

The price of coal will be going up accordingly. So the price of energy will be increasing as well. Coal miners will be earning much more than the market says and that will be a good thing.

Increasing supply will raise prices?

Can you explain that for me, slowly please?

 

[initforme]

Increasing supply will raise prices?

Can you explain that for me, slowly please?

If we are paying miners $70 per hour, people will cry and complain that's too much and is causing the price to go up. This is america where we say " please work hard but we don't want to pay you".

 

[Crepitus]

Do you need to be at war to defend yourself?

We might have to disband the Department of Defence.

You think you're joking.

The rest of us hope tRump/Elmo didn't hear you.

 

[Zincwarrior]

The coal industry is dead. Its not coming back. China - a primary buyer - is going to stop buying. Tariff wars matter.

 

[Moonglow]

The coal-fired plant in Gentry, Arkansas, never stopped using coal.