Trump allies, private sector quietly prepare for mass detention of immigrants

[JackOfNoTrades]

The economy's already collapsing because of everything we're spending on those illegals, dipshit. The tax revenue they generate doesn't even come close to covering their cost: Even though illegal immigrants make up about 4.5% of the labor force, their payments represent less than 1% of the taxes collected from these sources.

https://www.fairus.org/sites/default/files/2023-03/Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on American Taxpayers 2023 WEB_0.pdf

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on United States Taxpayers

"At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $182 billion to cover the costs
incurred by the presence of more than 15.5 million illegal aliens, and about 5.3 million citizen children
of illegal aliens. That amounts to a tax burden of approximately $8,730 per illegal alien family member.
These figures are before taxes paid by illegal aliens are factored in. The totals with taxes factored in are
as follows:

Total Expenditures:
Total Federal Expenditures $66,449,136,000
Total State and Local Expenditures $115,608,729,000
Total National Expenditures $182,057,865,000

Net Tax Contributions:
Net Federal Taxes Paid $16,219,495,000
Net State and Local Taxes Paid $15,172,140,000
Total Net Tax Contributions $31,391,635,000

Total Cost of Illegal Immigration:
Total National Expenditures $182,057,865,000
Minus Total Tax Contributions $31,391,635,000
Total Fiscal Cost of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers: $150,666,230,000"


The Cost of Illegal Immigration to Taxpayers

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_immigration_to_taxpayers.pdf

The Cost of Illegal Immigration​

The Cost of Illegal Immigration

The Cost of the Border Crisis: $150.7 Billion and Counting​

The Cost of the Border Crisis: $150.7 Billion and Counting | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

No it isn't. You need to come up with better sources than alt-right media.

Try again.

 

[Rogue AI]

No it isn't. You need to come up with better sources than alt-right media.

Try again.

You should learn to read. The data itself is provided by .gov sites.

 

[pknopp]

Business doesn't run this country, nor do they make and enforce the laws.

No one is enforcing the laws nor will anyone.

Those would be President Donald J. Trump, Congress, and the Justice System.

Just like last time right?

 

[pknopp]

It's this sort of Negative Nancy thinking that never sees things get done. If you folks haven't figured it out by now, Trump isn't your normal politician. He's been underestimated at every step. Perhaps it's time for you folks to get out of the way before you get trampled.

Ignoring empty rhetoric changes nothing especially the empty rhetoric.

 

[martybegan]

Oh..I respectfully disagree. And whether you like it or not, immigration (whether you think they are here illegally or not) is a protected CONSTITUTIONAL right.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-2/ALDE_00001262/

Key sentence in this linked piece is CONGRESS has the right to regulate it...and has miserably failed to do so (mostly the fault of Republicans) for over two decades now.

There are laws on the books that these people have broken.

There is no right to be here if you weren't born here, if that were the case the whole world could show up and demand to be let in.

 

[martybegan]

You don't care if the economy collapses, corporations can't fill basic jobs, and the travel and entertainment industry goes in the tank??...cause that's what's gonna happen
if you go John Wick on immigration.

That'll put an end to the feel good Trump victory quickly.

Any shortfalls will be made up by those we let in legally.

Where there is a will, there's a way.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

There are laws on the books that these people have broken.

Whelp, then its up to government agencies to enforce them. And for Congress to fix the immigration process.

There is no right to be here if you weren't born here, if that were the case the whole world could show up and demand to be let in.

But if they are here, the Constitution explicitly extends rights to those people.

 

[Rogue AI]

Ignoring empty rhetoric changes nothing especially the empty rhetoric.

Folks told us for decades strict enforcement would not stem the tide of illegal invaders, Trump proved that wrong too. The empty rhetoric is all yours.

 

[LeftofLeft]

Folks told us for decades strict enforcement would stem the tide of illegal invaders, Trump proved that wrong too. The empty rhetoric is all yours.

The empty rhetoric delivers better results than Biden/Harris gave us on illegal immigration. They gave us mass immigration and gangs taking over apartments.

 

[debbiedowner]

They have never been immigrants nor asylum seekers
Asylum requires that when traversing across other countries you must first try to settle there. Came right straight through those countries in a beeline to USA.
Media constantly lied about their status and changes in Media will be the biggest surprise of Trumps Presidency

Wrong again.

No, when traveling through other countries to seek asylum in the United States, you do not need to settle in any of those countries first; you can apply for asylum once you are physically present in the U.S. or at a port of entry, meaning you can arrive at the border and request asylum without having to settle in another country beforehand.



Key points to remember:

• No obligation to claim asylum in first country: Under international law, you are not required to seek asylum in the first country you reach.
  
  
  
  
• Must be present in the US: To apply for asylum in the United States, you must be physically present within the country or at a port of entry.
  
  
  
  
• Seeking asylum at the border: You can request asylum when arriving at a US border crossing.
  

 

[martybegan]

Whelp, then its up to government agencies to enforce them. And for Congress to fix the immigration process.

But if they are here, the Constitution explicitly extends rights to those people.

That's what handed Harris the loss. Dems don't want to enforce laws already on the books.

It gives them basic due process, and that's it.

are you saying it gives them things like the right to vote?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

That's what handed Harris the loss. Dems don't want to enforce laws already on the books.

It gives them basic due process, and that's it.

are you saying it gives them things like the right to vote?

You forgot Republicans in there as well. Congress has both parties..last time I checked quickly.
You said due process. Which it what it gives. Not mass deportation by default.
Undocumented immigrants can't vote in any national, state, or local election save for a few areas where they are allowed to vote in school board elections..and only if they have kids in the system.

 

[martybegan]

You forgot Republicans in there as well. Congress has both parties..last time I checked quickly.
You said due process. Which it what it gives. Not mass deportation by default.
Undocumented immigrants can't vote in any national, state, or local election save for a few areas where they are allowed to vote in school board elections..and only if they have kids in the system.

The Executive enforces the laws on the books, Biden didn't want to do that. Trump will do it with gusto.

Bring them through the process, find them to be here illegally, send them home.

But if it's a "right" for them to come here as you say, why can't they?

No one has a right to enter another country and claim they can stay here. Your statement is false.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

The Executive enforces the laws on the books, Biden didn't want to do that. Trump will do it with gusto.

Bring them through the process, find them to be here illegally, send them home.

But if it's a "right" for them to come here as you say, why can't they?

No one has a right to enter another country and claim they can stay here. Your statement is false.

I believe the Constitution already states that. And yes, they have rights. Even if they are here illegally.

My statement is correct. It's all there in black and white.
Sucks when that yellowed scrap of paper applies to everyone, doesn't it? Not just the people you deem worthy.

 

[JGalt]

No it isn't. You need to come up with better sources than alt-right media.

Try again.

Regardless of whether you think the source is relevant or not, there's really nothing about this conversation that's going to change a single thing.

They will be deported. End of story, period.

 

[martybegan]

I believe the Constitution already states that. And yes, they have rights. Even if they are here illegally.

My statement is correct. It's all there in black and white.
Sucks when that yellowed scrap of paper applies to everyone, doesn't it? Not just the people you deem worthy.

They have the right to be told they are here illegally and sent back.

Where does it say everyone on the planet has the right to live here?

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

They have the right to be told they are here illegally and sent back.

Where does it say everyone on the planet has the right to live here?

You're not getting this, are you?
Let's forget your just and righteous indignation and the fact that these immigrants underpin quite a bit of our economy. And taking them away suddenly would be a disaster of monumental proportions.

The Constitution states that immigrants, even illegal ones have the right to due process. 5th and 14th Amendments.
Mass deportations didn't happen under Trump's first administration. Not even when he had a Republican majority (which he may have again).
And I don't expect things will be different this time either.

 

[martybegan]

You're not getting this, are you?
Let's forget your just and righteous indignation and the fact that these immigrants underpin quite a bit of our economy. And taking them away suddenly would be a disaster of monumental proportions.

The Constitution states that immigrants, even illegal ones have the right to due process. 5th and 14th Amendments.
Mass deportations didn't happen under Trump's first administration. Not even when he had a Republican majority (which he may have again).
And I don't expect things will be different this time either.

show me where they use the word "immigrant" in the Constitution.

Quote the exact parts of the Amendments you are talking about.

It's not mass deportations, it's deportations.

 

[LAUGHatLEFTISTS]

Oh..I respectfully disagree. And whether you like it or not, immigration (whether you think they are here illegally or not) is a protected CONSTITUTIONAL right.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S8-C18-8-7-2/ALDE_00001262/

Key sentence in this linked piece is CONGRESS has the right to regulate it...and has miserably failed to do so (mostly the fault of Republicans) for over two decades now.

Why did you drop “illegal” in front of immigration in your post.
Because you’re lying to yourself.

 

[pknopp]

Folks told us for decades strict enforcement would not stem the tide of illegal invaders, Trump proved that wrong too. The empty rhetoric is all yours.

No he didn't. They still came.