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[RKMBrown]

2) You do owe me a job. And I owe you a job. That's the way it works in a modern economy.

Nope. You are responsible for yourself. I am not responsible for you. I am a free man. If I choose to do business with you then that is between you and me. I don't owe you a damn thing and I do not require you to owe me a damn thing. Liberty. Get used to it. Would it be nice if we work together? yes Is that preferable to the alternative? yes.

My disagreement is to the FORCE implied by the term you used "owe." Owe verb - to have an obligation to pay or repay (something, esp. money) for something received. Owe something, esp. money, to (someone): "I owe you for the taxi".

The act of living does not reciprocate some debt that I now owe people jobs. It's ridiculous. People need to learn to get up off their asses and create jobs rather than sit on them waiting for someone to come along and beg them to come work for them.

 

[RKMBrown]

The marxist policies of the socialists is one of the problems in our Economy.

"The Marxist policies of the Socialists."

Who are you talking about and exactly what do you mean?

Does falling onto hard times and needing financial help make one a Marxist or a committed Socialist? Those whom you've been led (by one corporatist propagandist or other) to believe are "Marxist socialists" have no wish to transform the existing economic system of the U.S., which is regulated capitalism. And for your information, neither Marxism or Socialism theoretically permits any of its citizen/subjects to collect public assistance rather than work simply because they choose to. That is what what your expressed ideology implies -- and is quite mistaken.

I'd say this problem is one of many major problems. For example, if say half the people who are out of work to collect welfare would go back to work the economy's growth as measured by GDP would grow to the point where those folks increase GDP by say 10% vs acting as an anchor on the rest of the population resulting in a slowing of the GDP.

I can assure you that more than half of those you refer to are unemployed through no fault of their own (exported jobs, etc). Most of those collecting unemployment insurance are hoping to find wages equal to what they lost, which I assume you would do in their position. Unfortunately for most of them it soon will be necessary to accept the fact that minimum wage jobs are all that's available to them. Many of them will soon be competing with illegal aliens for work.

As previously mentioned, the only solution to the existing problem is a federal make-work program similar to FDR's WPA and CCC, funded partly by sharply elevated taxes on upper income levels, aimed mainly at offshore tax havens, and applied to repairing the infrastructure. That will stimulate the economy and create many new industries.

The problem is not Marxism or Socialism. It's corporatism and laissez-faire capitalism.

>>> Who are you talking about and exactly what do you mean?

Irresponsible re-distribution of wealth, through forced taxation and selective payments that are designed based on Marx' idiom is what I mean. Stop acting naive. It's not working. We have a class in our society who claim hard times from their first to their last day on earth. They are pan handlers that make a living out of never amounting to more than a part time job and living on welfare and / or fraudulent disability. And the leftists go along with it because it gives them a voting block that they would not have otherwise.

>>>neither Marxism or Socialism theoretically permits any of its citizen/subjects to collect public assistance rather than work simply because they choose to.

ZERO PERCENT PERSONAL INCOME TAX FOR 51% OF US WORKERS... PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAX FOR THE 49% SCALING UP BASED ON INCOME... Ayup that's marx all the way.

>>> I can assure you that more than half of those you refer to are unemployed through no fault of their own (exported jobs, etc). Most of those collecting unemployment insurance are hoping to find wages equal to what they lost, which I assume you would do in their position. Unfortunately for most of them it soon will be necessary to accept the fact that minimum wage jobs are all that's available to them. Many of them will soon be competing with illegal aliens for work.

You would be wrong. Waiting is the problem. I have no patience for people that sit on their butts waiting for a job to show up. None. There is no excuse for it. Silly Pride? hmph. My entire team was off shored to china. Big deal I had five job offers in as many days and a dozen in a few weeks. I took the one that paid half what I was making turning down the ones that paid as much and some that paid even more. Further, I was almost wishing no job were available so I could start up a new business. Life is what you make of it. Stealing a portion of other people's income to make your life easier.. Sorry but that makes me want to puke. I won't do it. I won't take "re-distribution" checks. Hell no. It's bad enough that my tax rate isn't always the highest rate. This class envy tax crap has to stop.

 

[Gadawg73]

I sounds like you don't get out very much, Mr G. Your rant against "moochers" suggests a lack of understanding of the complexity of various social problems, and of the growing inability of the economy today to provide work for all, much less meaningful work. It is the tired old rant of those who have received their education by watching Daniel Boone and Marshall Dillon on the flickering screen. Do you think real life is like that? How many people have you actually met that have been recipients of welfare programs? You see, in real life, the hero does not necessarily ride into town, and make all well for the less fortunate.

We have seen what happens when, in a large and complex society, we leave critical social and economic questions to the private sector. In recent years, wealth polarization has skyrocketed, manufacturing has fled the country, and the most dubious segments of the financial industry have risen to prominence not seen before, with flim flam and near embezzlement now the accepted order of the day. Doesn't sound too heroic, does it? It gets worse. Those now with the most economic options have been so little interested in helping their "fellow man" that they have just about trashed the world economy in their mad scramble to make ever more profit (2008).

In the jurisdiction I live in, about 1 % of the budget goes to direct welfare costs. Yet no one is left out. It is absurd to take a modern day society of tens, or hundreds of millions, and try to run it on some sort of idealized Hollywood cowboy town basis. The only way to have a viable society in today's world is to have effective and pragmatic social programs that meet the challenges of the economy today, which include trends that are too big for any one individual to deal with. That's what works. It works in the EU, in places like Canada, Australia, and others. The US has problems. Listening to the self-serving nonsense of Mit Romney, or similar, or retreating to comic books will not help. Some deeper reading might.

I travel to Puerto Morales, Mexico often and have many Canadian friends.
They tell me a different story than you do.
And right, the EU is doing great! LOL, you live in a la la land.
At least I have read Dickens.

That's your only answer? You have been as far as Mexico, have some anecdotal stories from a few Canadians, and are feel like laughing at the EU? Anything with some more substance?

Been to Greece also. Ever heard of them and their problems?
Do you know that the banks in most all European countries are larger than the entire economies in those countries?
And you call that a model for us to go by?
Your local community college has Econ 101. I suggest you enroll.
Ratio of Government Debt to GNP, I wonder if you even know what GDP is, in most all European countries is over 100%.
Ireland 120%
Portugal 115%
Greece 165%
Italy 130%
And you believe that is good.
France 95%
Germany 85% and they have taken on much of the other countries debt.
Unemployment:
Spain 27%
Pirtugal 17%
Greece 24%
Ireland 18%
And this is your model
Does your mama know how stupid you are?

 

[Rshermr]

I travel to Puerto Morales, Mexico often and have many Canadian friends.
They tell me a different story than you do.
And right, the EU is doing great! LOL, you live in a la la land.
At least I have read Dickens.

That's your only answer? You have been as far as Mexico, have some anecdotal stories from a few Canadians, and are feel like laughing at the EU? Anything with some more substance?

Been to Greece also. Ever heard of them and their problems?
Do you know that the banks in most all European countries are larger than the entire economies in those countries?
And you call that a model for us to go by?
Your local community college has Econ 101. I suggest you enroll.
Ratio of Government Debt to GNP, I wonder if you even know what GDP is, in most all European countries is over 100%.
Ireland 120%
Portugal 115%
Greece 165%
Italy 130%
And you believe that is good.
France 95%
Germany 85% and they have taken on much of the other countries debt.
Unemployment:
Spain 27%
Pirtugal 17%
Greece 24%
Ireland 18%
And this is your model
Does your mama know how stupid you are?

Yup. That is what happens when you push a policy that brings down your gdp, and gnp. So, did you think that meant something. And blows the unemployment rate through the roof. Austerity is a fools game. So, I am sure you would like it.

 

[Auteur]

2) You do owe me a job. And I owe you a job. That's the way it works in a modern economy.

Nope. You are responsible for yourself. I am not responsible for you. I am a free man. If I choose to do business with you then that is between you and me. I don't owe you a damn thing and I do not require you to owe me a damn thing. Liberty. Get used to it. Would it be nice if we work together? yes Is that preferable to the alternative? yes.

My disagreement is to the FORCE implied by the term you used "owe." Owe verb - to have an obligation to pay or repay (something, esp. money) for something received. Owe something, esp. money, to (someone): "I owe you for the taxi".

The act of living does not reciprocate some debt that I now owe people jobs. It's ridiculous. People need to learn to get up off their asses and create jobs rather than sit on them waiting for someone to come along and beg them to come work for them.

You would not be were you are today, unless society, ie taxpayers by way of the state, provided for, or made possible the hospital you where born in, the schools you went to , the roads you drive on, the airports you fly out of, the arrangements for the imported goods you buy, and endless other services. You are a product of those who have gone before. The scientists who invented things to make your life fuller, the social activists and political leaders that created the democracy we live in today. Have you paid all these people? What were you able to give them?

The notion that you are "free", and independent of all, relates to your ego, but not to economics or sociology. Unless you are going to find yourself an abandoned piece of desert somewhere, and grow your own crops, and refuse all modern medical and technical aid, and education for your kids, then you are a part of the system, and have responsibilities as well as rights. You may fantasize about being the Marlboro Man, but you are not. And if everyone did that within our crowded world, we would soon have a situation that would make Somalia seem like a holiday destination.

 

[MikeK]

You would be wrong. Waiting is the problem. I have no patience for people that sit on their butts waiting for a job to show up. None. There is no excuse for it. Silly Pride? hmph.

Do you think someone who lost a job that paid a living wage should spend no more than a week looking for another living wage job and if nothing turns up he/she should take a job flipping burgers or stocking shelves at WalMart for minimum wage? Or do you believe there are plenty of living wage jobs available for anyone who wants one?

Or do you think that everyone who is out of work is "sitting on their butts waiting for jobs to show up?" Do you know that many of these unfortunates have families to support, which simply cannot be done on minimum wage? This isn't the 1950s.

My entire team was off shored to china. Big deal I had five job offers in as many days and a dozen in a few weeks.

So what? You're fortunate enough to have a skill which happens to be in demand. Do you think the same situation applies to everyone who is unemployed?

I took the one that paid half what I was making turning down the ones that paid as much and some that paid even more. Further, I was almost wishing no job were available so I could start up a new business.

I don't know if you're boasting or bullshitting. But if you're boasting you are a pretty fortunate fellow to have such exceptional latitude. Do you really need me to tell you everyone is not so well off?

Life is what you make of it. Stealing a portion of other people's income to make your life easier.. Sorry but that makes me want to puke.

Again you're focused on the least offensive category of those who are "stealing" from the tax base when the worst thieves by far are the categories I outlined in a previous message: the war-mongers, the Military Industrial Complex, the offshore wealth hoarders, the bankers who ripped off the FDIC with their schemes, et al. These guys don't make you "want to puke." The guys who can't find a decent job do.

I won't do it. I won't take "re-distribution" checks. Hell no. It's bad enough that my tax rate isn't always the highest rate. This class envy tax crap has to stop.

You will if you find yourself up the creek without a paddle. And don't think it can't happen, because it's happened to a lot of men who are just as good if not better than you are.

 

[MikeK]

[...]

ZERO PERCENT PERSONAL INCOME TAX FOR 51% OF US WORKERS... PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAX FOR THE 49% SCALING UP BASED ON INCOME... Ayup that's marx all the way.

[...]

Think so? Then, as I suspected, you have no idea of what Marxism is.

That zero percent personal income tax rate applies only to those whose incomes are below the poverty level. What would you have them do, pay a tax on Monday and qualify for welfare on Tuesday?

A progressive assessment imposed on those who can pay millions of dollars in personal income tax without it affecting their lifestyles in any way is more than fair. In fact it is merciful compared to what I advocate -- which is confiscation of every penny of personal wealth in excess of twenty million dollars! And as bad as I'm sure you think that is, it still is a hell of a lot better than Marxism. So you need to do a little reading before tossing around those "Marxist" and "Socialist" accusations.

 

[Gadawg73]

That's your only answer? You have been as far as Mexico, have some anecdotal stories from a few Canadians, and are feel like laughing at the EU? Anything with some more substance?

Been to Greece also. Ever heard of them and their problems?
Do you know that the banks in most all European countries are larger than the entire economies in those countries?
And you call that a model for us to go by?
Your local community college has Econ 101. I suggest you enroll.
Ratio of Government Debt to GNP, I wonder if you even know what GDP is, in most all European countries is over 100%.
Ireland 120%
Portugal 115%
Greece 165%
Italy 130%
And you believe that is good.
France 95%
Germany 85% and they have taken on much of the other countries debt.
Unemployment:
Spain 27%
Pirtugal 17%
Greece 24%
Ireland 18%
And this is your model
Does your mama know how stupid you are?

Yup. That is what happens when you push a policy that brings down your gdp, and gnp. So, did you think that meant something. And blows the unemployment rate through the roof. Austerity is a fools game. So, I am sure you would like it.

LOL, the stock market lost 4% this week and you believe that was because of austerity!
Austerity caused the bull run we have had lately.
The FED announcing they are slowing down the Obama stimulus printing presses that have been buying up bonds propping up the economy with low interest rates is what caused the drop this week. Inflation is on the way and watch what that does to the deficit again.
Hint: When the funds rate goes up from ZERO where it is now to 1% the interest that taxpayers pay on the deficit DOUBLES.
Immediately.
3rd grade math that most Americans do not understand. Instead they blame it on "austerity".
No wonder we are 36th globally in math and science knowledge among high school graduates.

 

[RKMBrown]

[...]

ZERO PERCENT PERSONAL INCOME TAX FOR 51% OF US WORKERS... PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAX FOR THE 49% SCALING UP BASED ON INCOME... Ayup that's marx all the way.

[...]

Think so? Then, as I suspected, you have no idea of what Marxism is.

That zero percent personal income tax rate applies only to those whose incomes are below the poverty level. What would you have them do, pay a tax on Monday and qualify for welfare on Tuesday?

A progressive assessment imposed on those who can pay millions of dollars in personal income tax without it affecting their lifestyles in any way is more than fair. In fact it is merciful compared to what I advocate -- which is confiscation of every penny of personal wealth in excess of twenty million dollars! And as bad as I'm sure you think that is, it still is a hell of a lot better than Marxism. So you need to do a little reading before tossing around those "Marxist" and "Socialist" accusations.

I have no idea what it is that you think is different between your view of re-distribution and Marx view of re-distribution.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs). Karl Marx, 1875

Why don't you explain how your desire to take by force from each according to his ability, and redistribute that to each according to his need or needs is any different that Marx' oft cited idiom.

 

[Gadawg73]

[...]

ZERO PERCENT PERSONAL INCOME TAX FOR 51% OF US WORKERS... PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAX FOR THE 49% SCALING UP BASED ON INCOME... Ayup that's marx all the way.

[...]

Think so? Then, as I suspected, you have no idea of what Marxism is.

That zero percent personal income tax rate applies only to those whose incomes are below the poverty level. What would you have them do, pay a tax on Monday and qualify for welfare on Tuesday?

A progressive assessment imposed on those who can pay millions of dollars in personal income tax without it affecting their lifestyles in any way is more than fair. In fact it is merciful compared to what I advocate -- which is confiscation of every penny of personal wealth in excess of twenty million dollars! And as bad as I'm sure you think that is, it still is a hell of a lot better than Marxism. So you need to do a little reading before tossing around those "Marxist" and "Socialist" accusations.

Using your logic you would agree that if a law was passed that wealth in excess of 20 million dollars would be "confiscated", stolen is what would happen, on Monday then by the next day, Tuesday, the law could not be implemented on Tuesday.
Hey Einstein, guess what EVERYONE would do with their excess of 20 million dollars the day that bill WAS INTRODUCED in Congress?
GONE TO ANOTHER COUNTRY.

 

[Gadawg73]

The liberal may sit idle when the power of government comes to plunder their hard earned personal wealth and take it up the ass.
They have confidence in government to "do what is right".
The rest of us have had our hundreds of thousands of dollars in the market AT RISK and see the theft of our 60 hour work weeks stolen daily.
WE WILL LEAVE if it gets any worse. As it is now we are unwilling to reinvest our capital here because of the rapidly growing welfare state fully supported by progressives as "fair".
I just sold 4.4 acres and am stashing the profits and capital away from the plunderers.

 

[RKMBrown]

Answers in blue.

You would be wrong. Waiting is the problem. I have no patience for people that sit on their butts waiting for a job to show up. None. There is no excuse for it. Silly Pride? hmph.

Do you think someone who lost a job that paid a living wage should spend no more than a week looking for another living wage job <No> and if nothing turns up he/she should take a job flipping burgers or stocking shelves at WalMart for minimum wage? <No> Or do you believe there are plenty of living wage jobs available for anyone who wants one? <No>

Or do you think that everyone who is out of work is "sitting on their butts waiting for jobs to show up?" <No> Do you know that many of these unfortunates have families to support, which simply cannot be done on minimum wage? <Yes>This isn't the 1950s. <Correct>

My entire team was off shored to china. Big deal I had five job offers in as many days and a dozen in a few weeks.

So what? <personal experience... everyone on my team got a job right away>You're fortunate enough to have a skill which happens to be in demand. <Yes>Do you think the same situation applies to everyone who is unemployed? <No>

I don't know if you're boasting or bullshitting. <Just a statement of fact> But if you're boasting you are a pretty fortunate fellow to have such exceptional latitude. <I believe everyone has said latitude.>Do you really need me to tell you everyone is not so well off? <No>

Life is what you make of it. Stealing a portion of other people's income to make your life easier.. Sorry but that makes me want to puke.

Again you're focused on the least offensive category of those who are "stealing" from the tax base <Some level of focus is based on the opinion that this group of people would be helped by switching from hand-outs that make me want to puke with hand-ups that make me proud to be an American.> when the worst thieves by far are the categories I outlined in a previous message: the war-mongers, the Military Industrial Complex, the offshore wealth hoarders, the bankers who ripped off the FDIC with their schemes, et al. <Their number is few, but I do agree we need to correct their behavior. You may have missed my point... I could easily have gone the route of Evil CEO taking advantage of low paid labor... I decided against that route, because it makes me want to puke. Better?> These guys don't make you "want to puke." <Wrong.>The guys who can't find a decent job do. <My issue with the guys who can't find a decent job is that I just don't believe in the concept that a job must be given. Any man worth his salt can start working right now... while looking for better work. When I was in my younger years I always had two jobs. One the one paying a wage and two the job of improving my skills and/or running my own company on the side, etc. building something for the future outside of the paycheck from the man I was currently working for. >

I won't do it. I won't take "re-distribution" checks. Hell no. It's bad enough that my tax rate isn't always the highest rate. This class envy tax crap has to stop.

You will if you find yourself up the creek without a paddle. And don't think it can't happen, because it's happened to a lot of men who are just as good if not better than you are.
<No. I have a very close family. If any one of my family looses a job they are welcome in my home while they pick themselves back up. My Brother, Sister, Father, Kids, Aunts, Uncles, First Cousins,... every single one of them work together as a family unit in this way. We have each other's back. I recognize that some people have no family to watch their back. It makes me want to puke to view, forced theft through re-distributions as someone watching my back. The fact that it's not voluntary, the fact that it's progressive, the fact that it's a hand-out... yeah that makes me want to puke.>

 

[PrometheusBound]

The marxist policies of the socialists is one of the problems in our Economy.

"The Marxist policies of the Socialists."

Who are you talking about and exactly what do you mean?

Does falling onto hard times and needing financial help make one a Marxist or a committed Socialist? Those whom you've been led (by one corporatist propagandist or other) to believe are "Marxist socialists" have no wish to transform the existing economic system of the U.S., which is regulated capitalism. And for your information, neither Marxism or Socialism theoretically permits any of its citizen/subjects to collect public assistance rather than work simply because they choose to. That is what what your expressed ideology implies -- and is quite mistaken.

[
I can assure you that more than half of those you refer to are unemployed through no fault of their own (exported jobs, etc). Most of those collecting unemployment insurance are hoping to find wages equal to what they lost, which I assume you would do in their position.

As previously mentioned, the only solution to the existing problem is a federal make-work program similar to FDR's WPA and CCC, funded partly by sharply elevated taxes on upper income levels, aimed mainly at offshore tax havens, and applied to repairing the infrastructure. That will stimulate the economy and create many new industries.

The problem is not Marxism or Socialism. It's corporatism and laissez-faire capitalism.[/QUOT
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>>>neither Marxism or Socialism theoretically permits any of its citizen/subjects to collect public assistance rather than work simply because they choose to.


>>> I can assure you that more than half of those you refer to are unemployed through no fault of their own (exported jobs, etc). Most of those collecting unemployment insurance are hoping to find wages equal to what they lost, which I assume you would do in their position. Unfortunately for most of them it soon will be necessary to accept the fact that minimum wage jobs are all that's available to them. Many of them will soon be competing with illegal aliens for work.

You would be wrong. Waiting is the problem. I have no patience for people who sit on their butts waiting for a job to show up. None. There is no excuse for it. Silly Pride? hmph. My entire team was off shored to china. Big deal I had five job offers in as many days and a dozen in a few weeks. I took the one that paid half what I was making, turning down the ones that paid as much and some that paid even more. Further, I was almost wishing no jobs were available so I could start up a new business. Life is what you make of it. Stealing a portion of other people's income to make your life easier.. Sorry but that makes me want to puke. I won't do it. I won't take "re-distribution" checks. Hell no. It's bad enough that my tax rate isn't always the highest rate. This class envy tax crap has to stop.

It all depends on how you define terms and how sure you are that your definitions are unbiased. The phony Leftists won't challenge you on such a basic matter, so don't try to hang that ideology on me. Typical of the Leftist fraud was Hillary Clinton saying, "I don't have a problem with moving jobs offshore, but why should the government pay companies to do that?" Instead of this typical deceptive upper-class Leftism, we should pass laws prohibiting both outsourcing and insourcing of foreigners to steal our jobs.

I don't recognize your right to your job or the amount of salary you make. In our time, that only represents brown-nosing to the hereditary ruling class. A country run on birth and not worth will not survive.

The rich don't create jobs; they only hike the ball. Entrepreneurs may be good at starting a business, but that says nothing about their ability to run a business, or again, the value of their contribution. It's as if in a kids' game, whoever provided the ball got to make up special rules for himself. He could try that, but he would get beaten up. That's the attitude adults should take towards their owners and bosses. If you're not a union man, you're not a man at all.

Profit is a tax, excessive profits are as bad as excessive taxes. The Right has "Tax Freedom Day," but you never hear your boogeyman Leftists counteract that with "Profit Freedom Day," do you? So your persecution complex is about imaginary enemies. Believe my definitions and you will have it confirmed by reality that Leftists have been assigned by their Right Wing fathers to aid your side.

Only conceited people use words like "envy" and "jealousy." They imply that we would want to be like them: hollow, greedhead, workoholic, addictive zombies. Most of us had the chance to be rich but wisely realized that's all we would be and would have crippled our personalities to achieve that goal. We don't have to recognize the legality of it either; laws allowing these methods are purchased by the highest bidders. If someone steals my wallet, am I jealous because he has money and I don't?

 

[PrometheusBound]

[...]

ZERO PERCENT PERSONAL INCOME TAX FOR 51% OF US WORKERS... PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAX FOR THE 49% SCALING UP BASED ON INCOME... Ayup that's marx all the way.

[...]

Think so? Then, as I suspected, you have no idea of what Marxism is.

That zero percent personal income tax rate applies only to those whose incomes are below the poverty level. What would you have them do, pay a tax on Monday and qualify for welfare on Tuesday?

A progressive assessment imposed on those who can pay millions of dollars in personal income tax without it affecting their lifestyles in any way is more than fair. In fact it is merciful compared to what I advocate -- which is confiscation of every penny of personal wealth in excess of twenty million dollars! And as bad as I'm sure you think that is, it still is a hell of a lot better than Marxism. So you need to do a little reading before tossing around those "Marxist" and "Socialist" accusations.

You're missing the point. Start with unquestionably unearned wealth first, and you may not have to go beyond that. Above-average inheritance and trust funds must be confiscated. Given an undeserved head start, the spoiled-rotten children of the rich will become a cancer on society. So they must be cut off from Daddy's Money at age 18. If we have to do it on our own, so must they.

 

[RKMBrown]

If you're not a union man, you're not a man at all.

Spoken like a true union brownshirt POS.

 

[RKMBrown]

[...]

ZERO PERCENT PERSONAL INCOME TAX FOR 51% OF US WORKERS... PROGRESSIVE INCOME TAX FOR THE 49% SCALING UP BASED ON INCOME... Ayup that's marx all the way.

[...]

Think so? Then, as I suspected, you have no idea of what Marxism is.

That zero percent personal income tax rate applies only to those whose incomes are below the poverty level. What would you have them do, pay a tax on Monday and qualify for welfare on Tuesday?

A progressive assessment imposed on those who can pay millions of dollars in personal income tax without it affecting their lifestyles in any way is more than fair. In fact it is merciful compared to what I advocate -- which is confiscation of every penny of personal wealth in excess of twenty million dollars! And as bad as I'm sure you think that is, it still is a hell of a lot better than Marxism. So you need to do a little reading before tossing around those "Marxist" and "Socialist" accusations.

You're missing the point. Start with unquestionably unearned wealth first, and you may not have to go beyond that. Above-average inheritance and trust funds must be confiscated. Given an undeserved head start, the spoiled-rotten children of the rich will become a cancer on society. So they must be cut off from Daddy's Money at age 18. If we have to do it on our own, so must they.

Class envy much? Break up all families? What an ass hole you are. You have sex with your Union boss? You want to leave your inheritance to your union? WOW

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

It all depends on how you define terms and how sure you are that your definitions are unbiased. The phony Leftists won't challenge you on such a basic matter, so don't try to hang that ideology on me. Typical of the Leftist fraud was Hillary Clinton saying, "I don't have a problem with moving jobs offshore, but why should the government pay companies to do that?" Instead of this typical deceptive upper-class Leftism, we should pass laws prohibiting both outsourcing and insourcing of foreigners to steal our jobs.

I don't recognize your right to your job or the amount of salary you make. In our time, that only represents brown-nosing to the hereditary ruling class. A country run on birth and not worth will not survive.

The rich don't create jobs; they only hike the ball. Entrepreneurs may be good at starting a business, but that says nothing about their ability to run a business, or again, the value of their contribution. It's as if in a kids' game, whoever provided the ball got to make up special rules for himself. He could try that, but he would get beaten up. That's the attitude adults should take towards their owners and bosses. If you're not a union man, you're not a man at all.

Profit is a tax, excessive profits are as bad as excessive taxes. The Right has "Tax Freedom Day," but you never hear your boogeyman Leftists counteract that with "Profit Freedom Day," do you? So your persecution complex is about imaginary enemies. Believe my definitions and you will have it confirmed by reality that Leftists have been assigned by their Right Wing fathers to aid your side.

Only conceited people use words like "envy" and "jealousy." They imply that we would want to be like them: hollow, greedhead, workoholic, addictive zombies. Most of us had the chance to be rich but wisely realized that's all we would be and would have crippled our personalities to achieve that goal. We don't have to recognize the legality of it either; laws allowing these methods are purchased by the highest bidders. If someone steals my wallet, am I jealous because he has money and I don't?

Profit is a tax, excessive profits are as bad as excessive taxes. The Right has "Tax Freedom Day," but you never hear your boogeyman Leftists counteract that with "Profit Freedom Day," do you?

Business owners can't force you to give them their profits.

 

[RKMBrown]

It all depends on how you define terms and how sure you are that your definitions are unbiased. The phony Leftists won't challenge you on such a basic matter, so don't try to hang that ideology on me. Typical of the Leftist fraud was Hillary Clinton saying, "I don't have a problem with moving jobs offshore, but why should the government pay companies to do that?" Instead of this typical deceptive upper-class Leftism, we should pass laws prohibiting both outsourcing and insourcing of foreigners to steal our jobs.

I don't recognize your right to your job or the amount of salary you make. In our time, that only represents brown-nosing to the hereditary ruling class. A country run on birth and not worth will not survive.

The rich don't create jobs; they only hike the ball. Entrepreneurs may be good at starting a business, but that says nothing about their ability to run a business, or again, the value of their contribution. It's as if in a kids' game, whoever provided the ball got to make up special rules for himself. He could try that, but he would get beaten up. That's the attitude adults should take towards their owners and bosses. If you're not a union man, you're not a man at all.

Profit is a tax, excessive profits are as bad as excessive taxes. The Right has "Tax Freedom Day," but you never hear your boogeyman Leftists counteract that with "Profit Freedom Day," do you? So your persecution complex is about imaginary enemies. Believe my definitions and you will have it confirmed by reality that Leftists have been assigned by their Right Wing fathers to aid your side.

Only conceited people use words like "envy" and "jealousy." They imply that we would want to be like them: hollow, greedhead, workoholic, addictive zombies. Most of us had the chance to be rich but wisely realized that's all we would be and would have crippled our personalities to achieve that goal. We don't have to recognize the legality of it either; laws allowing these methods are purchased by the highest bidders. If someone steals my wallet, am I jealous because he has money and I don't?

Profit is a tax, excessive profits are as bad as excessive taxes. The Right has "Tax Freedom Day," but you never hear your boogeyman Leftists counteract that with "Profit Freedom Day," do you?

Business owners can't force you to give them their profits.

They can when the Government passes a law like Obama Care.

 

[MikeK]

I have no idea what it is that you think is different between your view of re-distribution and Marx view of re-distribution.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs). Karl Marx, 1875

Why don't you explain how your desire to take by force from each according to his ability, and redistribute that to each according to his need or needs is any different that Marx' oft cited idiom.

Marx's Manifesto is a very brief treatise. I suggest you read it (again?) then tell us what Marxist (communist) entity you are aware of in which any citizen/subject is permitted to accumulate a twenty million dollar fortune or its equivalent. Keep in mind that Marxism (communism) cannot take hold, nor has it ever taken hold, in a nation which is not impoverished and typically devastated by war or revolution. So the very suggestion that anything resembling Marxist principles being adopted in a nation as fundamentally wealthy and socially intact as ours is ignorantly absurd and reflective of the opportunistic nonsense that plagued the entertainment industry in the 1950s.

The implementation of moderately socialist regulations and policies for the purpose of preventing the rapacious effects of laissez-faire capitalism, which tends to eventually cause a society to feed on itself, is not Marxism. It's common sense economics.

 

[RKMBrown]

I have no idea what it is that you think is different between your view of re-distribution and Marx view of re-distribution.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need (or needs). Karl Marx, 1875

Why don't you explain how your desire to take by force from each according to his ability, and redistribute that to each according to his need or needs is any different that Marx' oft cited idiom.

Marx's Manifesto is a very brief treatise. I suggest you read it (again?) then tell us what Marxist (communist) entity you are aware of in which any citizen/subject is permitted to accumulate a twenty million dollar fortune or its equivalent. Keep in mind that Marxism (communism) cannot take hold, nor has it ever taken hold, in a nation which is not impoverished and typically devastated by war or revolution. So the very suggestion that anything resembling Marxist principles being adopted in a nation as fundamentally wealthy and socially intact as ours is ignorantly absurd and reflective of the opportunistic nonsense that plagued the entertainment industry in the 1950s.

The implementation of moderately socialist regulations and policies for the purpose of preventing the rapacious effects of laissez-faire capitalism, which tends to eventually cause a society to feed on itself, is not Marxism. It's common sense economics.

IOW you can't contrast your view with the cited idiom. So instead you invite me to prove that your view does not follow every single element to the letter of Marx' manifesto? Puleze.... I'm sure you can find one small element of Marx's Manifesto that does not apply. But that was not my question. I did not accuse you of being a student and lover of Marx. I accused your view as following the cited idiom.

What is a moderately socialist regulation? What is a moderately socialist policy?

How does one regulate a moderate amount of theft? That's like saying it's ok to kill people as long as you don't kill everyone. The wrong of redistribution does not correct a wrong of corporate theft. That would be "revenge" which you denied. If there is a wrong the "wronged" should be the ones compensated, not the general public. If someone commits a crime the criminal should be punished, not everyone with a balance sheet > a particular line drawn up by some marxist. The crime of being rich? The Rich must be punished? WTF?