There is an active shooter at a Florida Highschool

[SassyIrishLass]

Well, here's some responses from the kids that were actually at the shooting to what Trump said. Most of them sound like they are pissed and want to have some kind of gun control.

Students from high school targeted in mass shooting criticize GOP reaction

We have 20,000 gun control laws......felons can't own guns, the dangerously mentally ill can't own guns...you need to do a federal background check to buy a gun....

What exactly do they want?

Gun bans

 

[Flopper]

LOL

Lemme guess — you’re one of those dumb-******* conservatives. Am I right?

Obviously gun free zones never have worked, never will work and do not work.
We have a bunch of dead kids as proof...

Dumb-******* conservative, trained police have had their guns wrestled from them. You’re beyond stupid to think that’s not gonna happen when Mr. Hand carries a weapon in class.

Except....doofus.......we have story after story of people, most with little training, who do not get disarmed, and use their guns even after they are injured in the initial attack by a violent criminal who has attacked them in an ambush......and again....

The main point isn't to have Teachers engage these mass shooters....the main point, doofus.....is to tell these killers that they will be engaged if they attack a school....and from actual research into these killers we know that they do not want to attack targets that shoot back....actual research...not pulling our emotions out of our ass and acting like we know something......so please...do some basic research, you will post more intelligently when you do...

I think very few teachers would want to carry a gun at school. If you do the math, you'll see the chance of a teacher ever being faced with a shooting situation during their 30 year career is very small. For most teachers, the concern that a student might get hold of the gun or they would make a mistake or misinterpret the situation and kill an innocent child is enough for most teachers to say no to guns in schools.

IMHO, firearms at schools should be left to trained professionals: School Resource Officers (SROs) and school police department officers. The vast majority of teachers want to be armed with textbooks and computers, not guns.

First...the main point is removing the gun free zone status......Ben shapiro on his daily wire podcast talked about going to Jewish school as a kid. They had a mass shooter scope out their school....he saw armed security and chose a different Jewish school to attack.

Getting rid of the gun free zone let's killers know they likely will meet armed resistance...and as I keep telling you guys, the shooters who lived, and the shooters who left notes say the same thing......they chose different targets when they realized their initial targets would have armed security or were gun free zones where they might encounter armed citizens....

And you wouldn't need to arm teachers, you have secretaries, principles, and other staff without as much direct, hour to hour contact with students who could be trained......and again, the major deterrent is just letting shooters know the building is no longer a gun free zone.

Studies of the effect of gun free zones on mass killings go all over the place. If you google Gun Free Zones, you'll see an FBI study that concludes that only 13% occur in gun free zones. There is another study just under that concludes 62% of killings occur in gun free zones. So I'm just a bit skeptical of your claim that abolishing gun free zones will reduce mass shooting.

As a parent, I would be concerned about having Principal Rambo running around the school with a loaded gun trying to handle a situation in which he is a complete novice and has relatively little training. Even Trump has recognized the stupidity of this.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Obviously gun free zones never have worked, never will work and do not work.
We have a bunch of dead kids as proof...

Dumb-******* conservative, trained police have had their guns wrestled from them. You’re beyond stupid to think that’s not gonna happen when Mr. Hand carries a weapon in class.

Except....doofus.......we have story after story of people, most with little training, who do not get disarmed, and use their guns even after they are injured in the initial attack by a violent criminal who has attacked them in an ambush......and again....

The main point isn't to have Teachers engage these mass shooters....the main point, doofus.....is to tell these killers that they will be engaged if they attack a school....and from actual research into these killers we know that they do not want to attack targets that shoot back....actual research...not pulling our emotions out of our ass and acting like we know something......so please...do some basic research, you will post more intelligently when you do...

I think very few teachers would want to carry a gun at school. If you do the math, you'll see the chance of a teacher ever being faced with a shooting situation during their 30 year career is very small. For most teachers, the concern that a student might get hold of the gun or they would make a mistake or misinterpret the situation and kill an innocent child is enough for most teachers to say no to guns in schools.

IMHO, firearms at schools should be left to trained professionals: School Resource Officers (SROs) and school police department officers. The vast majority of teachers want to be armed with textbooks and computers, not guns.

First...the main point is removing the gun free zone status......Ben shapiro on his daily wire podcast talked about going to Jewish school as a kid. They had a mass shooter scope out their school....he saw armed security and chose a different Jewish school to attack.

Getting rid of the gun free zone let's killers know they likely will meet armed resistance...and as I keep telling you guys, the shooters who lived, and the shooters who left notes say the same thing......they chose different targets when they realized their initial targets would have armed security or were gun free zones where they might encounter armed citizens....

And you wouldn't need to arm teachers, you have secretaries, principles, and other staff without as much direct, hour to hour contact with students who could be trained......and again, the major deterrent is just letting shooters know the building is no longer a gun free zone.

Studies of the effect of gun free zones on mass killings go all over the place. If you google Gun Free Zones, you'll see an FBI study that concludes that only 13% occur in gun free zones. There is another study just under that concludes 62% of killings occur in gun free zones. So I'm just a bit skeptical of your claim that abolishing gun free zones will reduce mass shooting.

As a parent, I would be concerned about having Principal Rambo running around the school with a loaded gun trying to handle a situation in which he is a complete novice and has relatively little training. Even Trump has recognized the stupidity of this.

As parent of children who go to a school which has armed personal I sleep better at night. They are trained to handle situations and it's a defense. I suspect many parents of 17 dead children wish they'd been protected like ours are

 

[2aguy]

Obviously gun free zones never have worked, never will work and do not work.
We have a bunch of dead kids as proof...

Dumb-******* conservative, trained police have had their guns wrestled from them. You’re beyond stupid to think that’s not gonna happen when Mr. Hand carries a weapon in class.

Except....doofus.......we have story after story of people, most with little training, who do not get disarmed, and use their guns even after they are injured in the initial attack by a violent criminal who has attacked them in an ambush......and again....

The main point isn't to have Teachers engage these mass shooters....the main point, doofus.....is to tell these killers that they will be engaged if they attack a school....and from actual research into these killers we know that they do not want to attack targets that shoot back....actual research...not pulling our emotions out of our ass and acting like we know something......so please...do some basic research, you will post more intelligently when you do...

I think very few teachers would want to carry a gun at school. If you do the math, you'll see the chance of a teacher ever being faced with a shooting situation during their 30 year career is very small. For most teachers, the concern that a student might get hold of the gun or they would make a mistake or misinterpret the situation and kill an innocent child is enough for most teachers to say no to guns in schools.

IMHO, firearms at schools should be left to trained professionals: School Resource Officers (SROs) and school police department officers. The vast majority of teachers want to be armed with textbooks and computers, not guns.

First...the main point is removing the gun free zone status......Ben shapiro on his daily wire podcast talked about going to Jewish school as a kid. They had a mass shooter scope out their school....he saw armed security and chose a different Jewish school to attack.

Getting rid of the gun free zone let's killers know they likely will meet armed resistance...and as I keep telling you guys, the shooters who lived, and the shooters who left notes say the same thing......they chose different targets when they realized their initial targets would have armed security or were gun free zones where they might encounter armed citizens....

And you wouldn't need to arm teachers, you have secretaries, principles, and other staff without as much direct, hour to hour contact with students who could be trained......and again, the major deterrent is just letting shooters know the building is no longer a gun free zone.

Studies of the effect of gun free zones on mass killings go all over the place. If you google Gun Free Zones, you'll see an FBI study that concludes that only 13% occur in gun free zones. There is another study just under that concludes 62% of killings occur in gun free zones. So I'm just a bit skeptical of your claim that abolishing gun free zones will reduce mass shooting.

As a parent, I would be concerned about having Principal Rambo running around the school with a loaded gun trying to handle a situation in which he is a complete novice and has relatively little training. Even Trump has recognized the stupidity of this.

Wrong.....98% occur in gun free zones....they include homes because people have guns in their homes.....we are talking about public spaces where law abiding citizens are not allowed to carry their legal guns....

You don't understand........getting rid of the gun free zone creates a detterrent.....go look up the statements and notes of the mass shooters....they state they switch targets when they find out there will be armed people ...........they are not looking for a gun fight, they are looking to murder helpless people....

 

[TyroneSlothrop]

 

[2aguy]

Americans use their guns 1,500,000 times a year to save lives and stop criminals......and as more Americans own and carry guns, our gun murder rate went down......saving lives...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 16.3 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Flopper]

Well, here's some responses from the kids that were actually at the shooting to what Trump said. Most of them sound like they are pissed and want to have some kind of gun control.

Students from high school targeted in mass shooting criticize GOP reaction

We have 20,000 gun control laws......felons can't own guns, the dangerously mentally ill can't own guns...you need to do a federal background check to buy a gun....

What exactly do they want?

I think what these students want is the same thing that all advocates of strong gun control legislation want, nationwide gun control laws without all the loopholes that actually reduce the number of guns on the streets, seriously restricting the firearms designed for mass killings and making the right to own a gun a privilege and not a right. Don't worry it ain't gonna happen, not in your life time or mine. Your guns are safe.

 

[beagle9]

Dumb-******* conservative, trained police have had their guns wrestled from them. You’re beyond stupid to think that’s not gonna happen when Mr. Hand carries a weapon in class.

Except....doofus.......we have story after story of people, most with little training, who do not get disarmed, and use their guns even after they are injured in the initial attack by a violent criminal who has attacked them in an ambush......and again....

The main point isn't to have Teachers engage these mass shooters....the main point, doofus.....is to tell these killers that they will be engaged if they attack a school....and from actual research into these killers we know that they do not want to attack targets that shoot back....actual research...not pulling our emotions out of our ass and acting like we know something......so please...do some basic research, you will post more intelligently when you do...

I think very few teachers would want to carry a gun at school. If you do the math, you'll see the chance of a teacher ever being faced with a shooting situation during their 30 year career is very small. For most teachers, the concern that a student might get hold of the gun or they would make a mistake or misinterpret the situation and kill an innocent child is enough for most teachers to say no to guns in schools.

IMHO, firearms at schools should be left to trained professionals: School Resource Officers (SROs) and school police department officers. The vast majority of teachers want to be armed with textbooks and computers, not guns.

First...the main point is removing the gun free zone status......Ben shapiro on his daily wire podcast talked about going to Jewish school as a kid. They had a mass shooter scope out their school....he saw armed security and chose a different Jewish school to attack.

Getting rid of the gun free zone let's killers know they likely will meet armed resistance...and as I keep telling you guys, the shooters who lived, and the shooters who left notes say the same thing......they chose different targets when they realized their initial targets would have armed security or were gun free zones where they might encounter armed citizens....

And you wouldn't need to arm teachers, you have secretaries, principles, and other staff without as much direct, hour to hour contact with students who could be trained......and again, the major deterrent is just letting shooters know the building is no longer a gun free zone.

Studies of the effect of gun free zones on mass killings go all over the place. If you google Gun Free Zones, you'll see an FBI study that concludes that only 13% occur in gun free zones. There is another study just under that concludes 62% of killings occur in gun free zones. So I'm just a bit skeptical of your claim that abolishing gun free zones will reduce mass shooting.

As a parent, I would be concerned about having Principal Rambo running around the school with a loaded gun trying to handle a situation in which he is a complete novice and has relatively little training. Even Trump has recognized the stupidity of this.

As parent of children who go to a school which has armed personal I sleep better at night. They are trained to handle situations and it's a defense. I suspect many parents of 17 dead children wish they'd been protected like ours are

. The schools my grands are attending have great security, so why are the others lagging so far behind one wonders ?? Liberalism maybe ??

 

[beagle9]

Well, here's some responses from the kids that were actually at the shooting to what Trump said. Most of them sound like they are pissed and want to have some kind of gun control.

Students from high school targeted in mass shooting criticize GOP reaction

We have 20,000 gun control laws......felons can't own guns, the dangerously mentally ill can't own guns...you need to do a federal background check to buy a gun....

What exactly do they want?

I think what these students want is the same thing that all advocates of strong gun control legislation want, nationwide gun control laws without all the loopholes that actually reduce the number of guns on the streets, seriously restricting the firearms designed for mass killings and making the right to own a gun a privilege and not a right. Don't worry it ain't gonna happen, not in your life time or mine. Your guns are safe.

. Until you learn to separate the bad guy's gun's from the good guy's gun's, then you'll get nothing. Now go back to your offices, and come up with a more sensible argument.

 

[Flopper]

Dumb-******* conservative, trained police have had their guns wrestled from them. You’re beyond stupid to think that’s not gonna happen when Mr. Hand carries a weapon in class.

Except....doofus.......we have story after story of people, most with little training, who do not get disarmed, and use their guns even after they are injured in the initial attack by a violent criminal who has attacked them in an ambush......and again....

The main point isn't to have Teachers engage these mass shooters....the main point, doofus.....is to tell these killers that they will be engaged if they attack a school....and from actual research into these killers we know that they do not want to attack targets that shoot back....actual research...not pulling our emotions out of our ass and acting like we know something......so please...do some basic research, you will post more intelligently when you do...

There was an armed officer on campus and it did not deter Cruz. I’ll keep pointing that out every time you pretend as though arming people will act as a deterrent.

Yes...you keep saying this over and over as if you are saying something intelligent.......1 armed officer in a building that holds over 2,000 people....unless he can teleport and is omniscient....one armed officer isn't enough.....dumb ass....

I told you over and over, we know that these guys choose gun free zones....they state this when captured, they write this in their notes.........you can ignore it, because you don't care about actually stopping these attacks, you just want to ban guns.

You’re a complete ******* rightard. There is no indication Cruz chose the school because it’s a gun free zone. Why would he when he knew there was at least one armed officer? Most school shooters attended the schools they shoot up. Has nothing to do with guns on campus.

. Could be a school culture problem... What experience did the shooter have when attending the school ?? What was going on in his personal life, was the schools curriculum totally in conflict with the shooters ideology and belief system ?? Maybe applications should be submitted where students apply to the school of their choice ?? Otherwise wouldn't it make sense to know the beliefs of the students and their parents before trying to socially cram them together into a melting pot that becomes a boiler that reaches a pressure of 300° before it blows ?? The application should cover and include cultural preference, religious beliefs, a mental stability evaluation, ideology, and preferences on the type of education one is seeking or desires.

This is not a school culture problem, or school choice problem. This kid has been held back in school, for 2 years, for poor grades and non-attendance. Prior to being expelled from school, he was not allowed to bring a backpack to school because he was selling knifes in school. He was not liked in school and many students seemed to be afraid of him. He had no close friends. He was obsessed with weapons and violence and made no secret that he wanted to killed people and he had the weapons to do it. Local police were called to Cruz's house many times for disturbances over several years. There is no evidence that he got any help from counselors or mental health professions other than emergency counseling even thou he had been judged mentally unstable.

His father died some years ago and his mother died 3 months ago and his younger brother was commuted to a mental health facility.

This kid was ticking time bomb and nothing was done about it. He is on suicide watch now.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Except....doofus.......we have story after story of people, most with little training, who do not get disarmed, and use their guns even after they are injured in the initial attack by a violent criminal who has attacked them in an ambush......and again....

The main point isn't to have Teachers engage these mass shooters....the main point, doofus.....is to tell these killers that they will be engaged if they attack a school....and from actual research into these killers we know that they do not want to attack targets that shoot back....actual research...not pulling our emotions out of our ass and acting like we know something......so please...do some basic research, you will post more intelligently when you do...

I think very few teachers would want to carry a gun at school. If you do the math, you'll see the chance of a teacher ever being faced with a shooting situation during their 30 year career is very small. For most teachers, the concern that a student might get hold of the gun or they would make a mistake or misinterpret the situation and kill an innocent child is enough for most teachers to say no to guns in schools.

IMHO, firearms at schools should be left to trained professionals: School Resource Officers (SROs) and school police department officers. The vast majority of teachers want to be armed with textbooks and computers, not guns.

First...the main point is removing the gun free zone status......Ben shapiro on his daily wire podcast talked about going to Jewish school as a kid. They had a mass shooter scope out their school....he saw armed security and chose a different Jewish school to attack.

Getting rid of the gun free zone let's killers know they likely will meet armed resistance...and as I keep telling you guys, the shooters who lived, and the shooters who left notes say the same thing......they chose different targets when they realized their initial targets would have armed security or were gun free zones where they might encounter armed citizens....

And you wouldn't need to arm teachers, you have secretaries, principles, and other staff without as much direct, hour to hour contact with students who could be trained......and again, the major deterrent is just letting shooters know the building is no longer a gun free zone.

Studies of the effect of gun free zones on mass killings go all over the place. If you google Gun Free Zones, you'll see an FBI study that concludes that only 13% occur in gun free zones. There is another study just under that concludes 62% of killings occur in gun free zones. So I'm just a bit skeptical of your claim that abolishing gun free zones will reduce mass shooting.

As a parent, I would be concerned about having Principal Rambo running around the school with a loaded gun trying to handle a situation in which he is a complete novice and has relatively little training. Even Trump has recognized the stupidity of this.

As parent of children who go to a school which has armed personal I sleep better at night. They are trained to handle situations and it's a defense. I suspect many parents of 17 dead children wish they'd been protected like ours are

. The schools my grands are attending have great security, so why are the others lagging so far behind one wonders ?? Liberalism maybe ??

Possibly. They scream it's about money and funding but I've yet to meet a spend thrift leftist

 

[beagle9]

Except....doofus.......we have story after story of people, most with little training, who do not get disarmed, and use their guns even after they are injured in the initial attack by a violent criminal who has attacked them in an ambush......and again....

The main point isn't to have Teachers engage these mass shooters....the main point, doofus.....is to tell these killers that they will be engaged if they attack a school....and from actual research into these killers we know that they do not want to attack targets that shoot back....actual research...not pulling our emotions out of our ass and acting like we know something......so please...do some basic research, you will post more intelligently when you do...

There was an armed officer on campus and it did not deter Cruz. I’ll keep pointing that out every time you pretend as though arming people will act as a deterrent.

Yes...you keep saying this over and over as if you are saying something intelligent.......1 armed officer in a building that holds over 2,000 people....unless he can teleport and is omniscient....one armed officer isn't enough.....dumb ass....

I told you over and over, we know that these guys choose gun free zones....they state this when captured, they write this in their notes.........you can ignore it, because you don't care about actually stopping these attacks, you just want to ban guns.

You’re a complete ******* rightard. There is no indication Cruz chose the school because it’s a gun free zone. Why would he when he knew there was at least one armed officer? Most school shooters attended the schools they shoot up. Has nothing to do with guns on campus.

. Could be a school culture problem... What experience did the shooter have when attending the school ?? What was going on in his personal life, was the schools curriculum totally in conflict with the shooters ideology and belief system ?? Maybe applications should be submitted where students apply to the school of their choice ?? Otherwise wouldn't it make sense to know the beliefs of the students and their parents before trying to socially cram them together into a melting pot that becomes a boiler that reaches a pressure of 300° before it blows ?? The application should cover and include cultural preference, religious beliefs, a mental stability evaluation, ideology, and preferences on the type of education one is seeking or desires.

This is not a school culture problem, or school choice problem. This kid has been held back in school, for 2 years, for poor grades and non-attendance. Prior to being expelled from school, he was not allowed to bring a backpack to school because he was selling knifes in school. He was not liked in school and many students seemed to be afraid of him. He had no close friends. He was obsessed with weapons and violence and made no secret that he wanted to killed people and he had the weapons to do it. Local police were called to Cruz's house many times for disturbances over several years. There is no evidence that he got any help from counselors or mental health professions other than emergency counseling even thou he had been judged mentally unstable.

His father died some years ago and his mother died 3 months ago and his younger brother was commuted to a mental health facility.

This kid was ticking time bomb and nothing was done about it. He is on suicide watch now.

. My words were spoken as future preventive measures, and not for past problems we can't go back on to stop them. Yes we know all about the shooter now, and it looks terrible on law enforcement.

 

[beagle9]

I think very few teachers would want to carry a gun at school. If you do the math, you'll see the chance of a teacher ever being faced with a shooting situation during their 30 year career is very small. For most teachers, the concern that a student might get hold of the gun or they would make a mistake or misinterpret the situation and kill an innocent child is enough for most teachers to say no to guns in schools.

IMHO, firearms at schools should be left to trained professionals: School Resource Officers (SROs) and school police department officers. The vast majority of teachers want to be armed with textbooks and computers, not guns.

First...the main point is removing the gun free zone status......Ben shapiro on his daily wire podcast talked about going to Jewish school as a kid. They had a mass shooter scope out their school....he saw armed security and chose a different Jewish school to attack.

Getting rid of the gun free zone let's killers know they likely will meet armed resistance...and as I keep telling you guys, the shooters who lived, and the shooters who left notes say the same thing......they chose different targets when they realized their initial targets would have armed security or were gun free zones where they might encounter armed citizens....

And you wouldn't need to arm teachers, you have secretaries, principles, and other staff without as much direct, hour to hour contact with students who could be trained......and again, the major deterrent is just letting shooters know the building is no longer a gun free zone.

Studies of the effect of gun free zones on mass killings go all over the place. If you google Gun Free Zones, you'll see an FBI study that concludes that only 13% occur in gun free zones. There is another study just under that concludes 62% of killings occur in gun free zones. So I'm just a bit skeptical of your claim that abolishing gun free zones will reduce mass shooting.

As a parent, I would be concerned about having Principal Rambo running around the school with a loaded gun trying to handle a situation in which he is a complete novice and has relatively little training. Even Trump has recognized the stupidity of this.

As parent of children who go to a school which has armed personal I sleep better at night. They are trained to handle situations and it's a defense. I suspect many parents of 17 dead children wish they'd been protected like ours are

. The schools my grands are attending have great security, so why are the others lagging so far behind one wonders ?? Liberalism maybe ??

Possibly. They scream it's about money and funding but I've yet to meet a spend thrift leftist

. Must be because they are denide spending someone else's money, so they figure the same will result when it comes to other issues as well in which they want money for. They have ruined the trust, so they are left vulnerable. Conservatives will have to act to fix what they have since broken.

 

[Flopper]

Except....doofus.......we have story after story of people, most with little training, who do not get disarmed, and use their guns even after they are injured in the initial attack by a violent criminal who has attacked them in an ambush......and again....

The main point isn't to have Teachers engage these mass shooters....the main point, doofus.....is to tell these killers that they will be engaged if they attack a school....and from actual research into these killers we know that they do not want to attack targets that shoot back....actual research...not pulling our emotions out of our ass and acting like we know something......so please...do some basic research, you will post more intelligently when you do...

I think very few teachers would want to carry a gun at school. If you do the math, you'll see the chance of a teacher ever being faced with a shooting situation during their 30 year career is very small. For most teachers, the concern that a student might get hold of the gun or they would make a mistake or misinterpret the situation and kill an innocent child is enough for most teachers to say no to guns in schools.

IMHO, firearms at schools should be left to trained professionals: School Resource Officers (SROs) and school police department officers. The vast majority of teachers want to be armed with textbooks and computers, not guns.

First...the main point is removing the gun free zone status......Ben shapiro on his daily wire podcast talked about going to Jewish school as a kid. They had a mass shooter scope out their school....he saw armed security and chose a different Jewish school to attack.

Getting rid of the gun free zone let's killers know they likely will meet armed resistance...and as I keep telling you guys, the shooters who lived, and the shooters who left notes say the same thing......they chose different targets when they realized their initial targets would have armed security or were gun free zones where they might encounter armed citizens....

And you wouldn't need to arm teachers, you have secretaries, principles, and other staff without as much direct, hour to hour contact with students who could be trained......and again, the major deterrent is just letting shooters know the building is no longer a gun free zone.

Studies of the effect of gun free zones on mass killings go all over the place. If you google Gun Free Zones, you'll see an FBI study that concludes that only 13% occur in gun free zones. There is another study just under that concludes 62% of killings occur in gun free zones. So I'm just a bit skeptical of your claim that abolishing gun free zones will reduce mass shooting.

As a parent, I would be concerned about having Principal Rambo running around the school with a loaded gun trying to handle a situation in which he is a complete novice and has relatively little training. Even Trump has recognized the stupidity of this.

As parent of children who go to a school which has armed personal I sleep better at night. They are trained to handle situations and it's a defense. I suspect many parents of 17 dead children wish they'd been protected like ours are

. The schools my grands are attending have great security, so why are the others lagging so far behind one wonders ?? Liberalism maybe ??

In a single word, money. Most school districts allow very little money for school security and most of it goes to a few really bad schools. Also, some schools are in really good neighborhoods where there's plenty of parent volunteers. Teachers write grants for additional funds and the business community takes an interest in the school. A kid like Cruz would be transferred to a special class or another school.

Violence in schools is common such as bulling, threats, school fights but mass killings are not. It's the violence that occurs throughout the school year that schools are most concerned.

 

[beagle9]

I think very few teachers would want to carry a gun at school. If you do the math, you'll see the chance of a teacher ever being faced with a shooting situation during their 30 year career is very small. For most teachers, the concern that a student might get hold of the gun or they would make a mistake or misinterpret the situation and kill an innocent child is enough for most teachers to say no to guns in schools.

IMHO, firearms at schools should be left to trained professionals: School Resource Officers (SROs) and school police department officers. The vast majority of teachers want to be armed with textbooks and computers, not guns.

First...the main point is removing the gun free zone status......Ben shapiro on his daily wire podcast talked about going to Jewish school as a kid. They had a mass shooter scope out their school....he saw armed security and chose a different Jewish school to attack.

Getting rid of the gun free zone let's killers know they likely will meet armed resistance...and as I keep telling you guys, the shooters who lived, and the shooters who left notes say the same thing......they chose different targets when they realized their initial targets would have armed security or were gun free zones where they might encounter armed citizens....

And you wouldn't need to arm teachers, you have secretaries, principles, and other staff without as much direct, hour to hour contact with students who could be trained......and again, the major deterrent is just letting shooters know the building is no longer a gun free zone.

Studies of the effect of gun free zones on mass killings go all over the place. If you google Gun Free Zones, you'll see an FBI study that concludes that only 13% occur in gun free zones. There is another study just under that concludes 62% of killings occur in gun free zones. So I'm just a bit skeptical of your claim that abolishing gun free zones will reduce mass shooting.

As a parent, I would be concerned about having Principal Rambo running around the school with a loaded gun trying to handle a situation in which he is a complete novice and has relatively little training. Even Trump has recognized the stupidity of this.

As parent of children who go to a school which has armed personal I sleep better at night. They are trained to handle situations and it's a defense. I suspect many parents of 17 dead children wish they'd been protected like ours are

. The schools my grands are attending have great security, so why are the others lagging so far behind one wonders ?? Liberalism maybe ??

In a single word, money. Most school districts allow very little money for school security and most of it goes to a few really bad schools. Also, some schools are in really good neighborhoods where there's plenty of parent volunteers. Teachers write grants for additional funds and the business community takes an interest in the school. A kid like Cruz would be transferred to a special class or another school.

Violence in schools is common such as bulling, threats, school fights but mass killings are not. It's the violence that occurs throughout the school year that schools are most concerned.

. Again, is liberalism in the homes, and in the schools along with Hollywood glorifying thug culture the problem that is fostering these current problems ???

 

[Flopper]

There was an armed officer on campus and it did not deter Cruz. I’ll keep pointing that out every time you pretend as though arming people will act as a deterrent.

Yes...you keep saying this over and over as if you are saying something intelligent.......1 armed officer in a building that holds over 2,000 people....unless he can teleport and is omniscient....one armed officer isn't enough.....dumb ass....

I told you over and over, we know that these guys choose gun free zones....they state this when captured, they write this in their notes.........you can ignore it, because you don't care about actually stopping these attacks, you just want to ban guns.

You’re a complete ******* rightard. There is no indication Cruz chose the school because it’s a gun free zone. Why would he when he knew there was at least one armed officer? Most school shooters attended the schools they shoot up. Has nothing to do with guns on campus.

. Could be a school culture problem... What experience did the shooter have when attending the school ?? What was going on in his personal life, was the schools curriculum totally in conflict with the shooters ideology and belief system ?? Maybe applications should be submitted where students apply to the school of their choice ?? Otherwise wouldn't it make sense to know the beliefs of the students and their parents before trying to socially cram them together into a melting pot that becomes a boiler that reaches a pressure of 300° before it blows ?? The application should cover and include cultural preference, religious beliefs, a mental stability evaluation, ideology, and preferences on the type of education one is seeking or desires.

This is not a school culture problem, or school choice problem. This kid has been held back in school, for 2 years, for poor grades and non-attendance. Prior to being expelled from school, he was not allowed to bring a backpack to school because he was selling knifes in school. He was not liked in school and many students seemed to be afraid of him. He had no close friends. He was obsessed with weapons and violence and made no secret that he wanted to killed people and he had the weapons to do it. Local police were called to Cruz's house many times for disturbances over several years. There is no evidence that he got any help from counselors or mental health professions other than emergency counseling even thou he had been judged mentally unstable.

His father died some years ago and his mother died 3 months ago and his younger brother was commuted to a mental health facility.

This kid was ticking time bomb and nothing was done about it. He is on suicide watch now.

. My words were spoken as future preventive measures, and not for past problems we can't go back on to stop them. Yes we know all about the shooter now, and it looks terrible on law enforcement.

I think the lack of help for this kid when he was young is a tragedy. Schools deal with problems at school. What happens at home is not their problem. When law enforcement has to act, it's often too late for the kid. The die is already cast.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

First...the main point is removing the gun free zone status......Ben shapiro on his daily wire podcast talked about going to Jewish school as a kid. They had a mass shooter scope out their school....he saw armed security and chose a different Jewish school to attack.

Getting rid of the gun free zone let's killers know they likely will meet armed resistance...and as I keep telling you guys, the shooters who lived, and the shooters who left notes say the same thing......they chose different targets when they realized their initial targets would have armed security or were gun free zones where they might encounter armed citizens....

And you wouldn't need to arm teachers, you have secretaries, principles, and other staff without as much direct, hour to hour contact with students who could be trained......and again, the major deterrent is just letting shooters know the building is no longer a gun free zone.

Studies of the effect of gun free zones on mass killings go all over the place. If you google Gun Free Zones, you'll see an FBI study that concludes that only 13% occur in gun free zones. There is another study just under that concludes 62% of killings occur in gun free zones. So I'm just a bit skeptical of your claim that abolishing gun free zones will reduce mass shooting.

As a parent, I would be concerned about having Principal Rambo running around the school with a loaded gun trying to handle a situation in which he is a complete novice and has relatively little training. Even Trump has recognized the stupidity of this.

As parent of children who go to a school which has armed personal I sleep better at night. They are trained to handle situations and it's a defense. I suspect many parents of 17 dead children wish they'd been protected like ours are

. The schools my grands are attending have great security, so why are the others lagging so far behind one wonders ?? Liberalism maybe ??

In a single word, money. Most school districts allow very little money for school security and most of it goes to a few really bad schools. Also, some schools are in really good neighborhoods where there's plenty of parent volunteers. Teachers write grants for additional funds and the business community takes an interest in the school. A kid like Cruz would be transferred to a special class or another school.

Violence in schools is common such as bulling, threats, school fights but mass killings are not. It's the violence that occurs throughout the school year that schools are most concerned.

. Again, is liberalism in the homes, and in the schools along with Hollywood glorifying thug culture the problem that is fostering these current problems ???

I think it's we've become a cultural of violence, it's in movies, on TV, in video games, etc. It's also due to the breakdown of the families. We've lost our moral fiber somewhere along the way

 

[beagle9]

Yes...you keep saying this over and over as if you are saying something intelligent.......1 armed officer in a building that holds over 2,000 people....unless he can teleport and is omniscient....one armed officer isn't enough.....dumb ass....

I told you over and over, we know that these guys choose gun free zones....they state this when captured, they write this in their notes.........you can ignore it, because you don't care about actually stopping these attacks, you just want to ban guns.

You’re a complete ******* rightard. There is no indication Cruz chose the school because it’s a gun free zone. Why would he when he knew there was at least one armed officer? Most school shooters attended the schools they shoot up. Has nothing to do with guns on campus.

. Could be a school culture problem... What experience did the shooter have when attending the school ?? What was going on in his personal life, was the schools curriculum totally in conflict with the shooters ideology and belief system ?? Maybe applications should be submitted where students apply to the school of their choice ?? Otherwise wouldn't it make sense to know the beliefs of the students and their parents before trying to socially cram them together into a melting pot that becomes a boiler that reaches a pressure of 300° before it blows ?? The application should cover and include cultural preference, religious beliefs, a mental stability evaluation, ideology, and preferences on the type of education one is seeking or desires.

This is not a school culture problem, or school choice problem. This kid has been held back in school, for 2 years, for poor grades and non-attendance. Prior to being expelled from school, he was not allowed to bring a backpack to school because he was selling knifes in school. He was not liked in school and many students seemed to be afraid of him. He had no close friends. He was obsessed with weapons and violence and made no secret that he wanted to killed people and he had the weapons to do it. Local police were called to Cruz's house many times for disturbances over several years. There is no evidence that he got any help from counselors or mental health professions other than emergency counseling even thou he had been judged mentally unstable.

His father died some years ago and his mother died 3 months ago and his younger brother was commuted to a mental health facility.

This kid was ticking time bomb and nothing was done about it. He is on suicide watch now.

. My words were spoken as future preventive measures, and not for past problems we can't go back on to stop them. Yes we know all about the shooter now, and it looks terrible on law enforcement.

I think the lack of help for this kid when he was young is a tragedy. Schools deal with problems at school. What happens at home is not their problem.

. It becomes their problem if it spills over into the school. However, with that said we can't have liberals thinking that they can intervene in the home, because they would use the situation to gain leverage on their overall agenda's. No liberals allowed.

 

[thanatos144]

Well, here's some responses from the kids that were actually at the shooting to what Trump said. Most of them sound like they are pissed and want to have some kind of gun control.

Students from high school targeted in mass shooting criticize GOP reaction

We have 20,000 gun control laws......felons can't own guns, the dangerously mentally ill can't own guns...you need to do a federal background check to buy a gun....

What exactly do they want?

gun confiscation

 

[thanatos144]

Well, here's some responses from the kids that were actually at the shooting to what Trump said. Most of them sound like they are pissed and want to have some kind of gun control.

Students from high school targeted in mass shooting criticize GOP reaction

We have 20,000 gun control laws......felons can't own guns, the dangerously mentally ill can't own guns...you need to do a federal background check to buy a gun....

What exactly do they want?

I think what these students want is the same thing that all advocates of strong gun control legislation want, nationwide gun control laws without all the loopholes that actually reduce the number of guns on the streets, seriously restricting the firearms designed for mass killings and making the right to own a gun a privilege and not a right. Don't worry it ain't gonna happen, not in your life time or mine. Your guns are safe.

You do know not being a criminal buying a gun isnt a loop hole right? Cause no loophole was present when this disturbed and deranged kid bought his gun he just wasnt a criminal.