Zone1 Theistic Evolutionary Theory?

[DennisPTate]

I feel that I have been given a rather unique explanation for the full history of the universe and I even feel somewhat responsible to try my best to get others thinking about this general idea that can perhaps result even in a book or two, about this idea in technical jargon that I cannot do myself.

Chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe" is entitled "The Anthropic Principle." I personally got the impression from that chapter that the late Stephen Hawking Ph. D. may NOT have been a full fledge Atheist but may instead have been questioning if there was a Theistic version of "Evolutionary Theory" possible that could perhaps have resulted in that Being of Light of near death experience fame, who seems to have invested in off the scale audio video technology for all eight billion of us humans that turns us into reality film stars in a drama that may well have extremely high value in infinite time in the future? My evidence for this is the "Life Review" that so many near death experiencers report having.

To my thinking Evolutionary Theory should no longer be limited to a mere fourteen billion or so years in the past but instead "Theistic Evolutionary Theory' should include essentially infinite time in the past?

One of the most astonishing statements that I have ever read that seems to me to fit perfectly with chapter thirteen of Stephen Hawking's universe are a few paragraphs by former Atheist and near death experiencer Mellen Thomas Benedict.

[Mellen Benedict] :

6. The Void​

At this point of my NDE, I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond Infinity. I was in the Void.

I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time / the First Word / the First vibration. I was in the Eye of Creation. I felt as if I was touching the Face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply, I was at one with Absolute Life and Consciousness. When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end. That’s a mind-expanding thought, isn’t it? Scientists perceive the Big Bang as a single event that created the Universe. I saw during my life after death experience that the Big Bang is only one of an infinite number of Big Bangs creating Universes endlessly and simultaneously. The only images that even come close in human terms would be those created by super computers using fractal geometry equations.

The ancients knew of this. They said God had periodically created new Universes by breathing out, and recreated other Universes by breathing in. These epochs were called Yugas. Modern science called this the Big Bang. I was in absolute, pure consciousness. I could see or perceive all the Big Bangs or Yugas creating and recreating themselves. Instantly I entered into them all simultaneously. I saw that each and every little piece of creation has the power to create. It is very difficult to try to explain this. I am still speechless about this.

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[ChemEngineer]

Darwinists have been turning somersaults trying to revive defunct "evolutionary theory" since it has been so hopelessly discredited and outdated by modern science and statistics.

What if God made us by evolution?
What if this?
What if that?

What if we forget about Darwinian evolution because it is a hundred fifty-five year old fraud.

http;//SelectionFraud.blogspot.com

 

[DennisPTate]

Darwinists have been turning somersaults trying to revive defunct "evolutionary theory" since it has been so hopelessly discredited and outdated by modern science and statistics.

What if God made us by evolution?
What if this?
What if that?

What if we forget about Darwinian evolution because it is a hundred fifty-five year old fraud.

http;//SelectionFraud.blogspot.com

Personally I would love to see Darwinian Evolutionary Theory abandoned altogether but I try to agree with my adversaries if I think that they are at least partly correct. I have came to believe that it took our Creator infinite time in the past to invent and design and create each aspect of our lives here in four dimensional space and time.

What I am really talking about is that our Creator is first and foremost an inventor and designer who happens to be composed of what could be "Energy from Quantum Vacuum" Who learned and got better and better and better at designing other life forms until about six millennia ago when our Creator invented our grandparents Adam and Eve.

"Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison." [Matthew 5:25]

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I feel that I have been given a rather unique explanation for the full history of the universe and I even feel somewhat responsible to try my best to get others thinking about this general idea that can perhaps result even in a book or two, about this idea in technical jargon that I cannot do myself.

Chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe" is entitled "The Anthropic Principle." I personally got the impression from that chapter that the late Stephen Hawking Ph. D. may NOT have been a full fledge Atheist but may instead have been questioning if there was a Theistic version of "Evolutionary Theory" possible that could perhaps have resulted in that Being of Light of near death experience fame, who seems to have invested in off the scale audio video technology for all eight billion of us humans that turns us into reality film stars in a drama that may well have extremely high value in infinite time in the future? My evidence for this is the "Life Review" that so many near death experiencers report having.

To my thinking Evolutionary Theory should no longer be limited to a mere fourteen billion or so years in the past but instead "Theistic Evolutionary Theory' should include essentially infinite time in the past?

One of the most astonishing statements that I have ever read that seems to me to fit perfectly with chapter thirteen of Stephen Hawking's universe are a few paragraphs by former Atheist and near death experiencer Mellen Thomas Benedict.

"If It's Weird, It's Wise"

If Hawking looked like Brad Pitt, nobody would have ever paid attention to him. Childish nerd social misfits love freaks; it's their revenge on society.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Personally I would love to see Darwinian Evolutionary Theory abandoned altogether but I try to agree with my adversaries if I think that they are at least partly correct. I have came to believe that it took our Creator infinite time in the past to invent and design and create each aspect of our lives here in four dimensional space and time.

What I am really talking about is that our Creator is first and foremost an inventor and designer who happens to be composed of what could be "Energy from Quantum Vacuum" Who learned and got better and better and better at designing other life forms until about six millennia ago when our Creator invented our grandparents Adam and Eve.

Thou Shalt Not Have Strange Gods

Why does your mythology say, "In the beginning"? If there was a beginning, then your god did not always exist.

 

[DennisPTate]

Thou Shalt Not Have Strange Gods

Why does your mythology say, "In the beginning"? If there was a beginning, then your god did not always exist.

My guess is that in the original Hebrew it was probably the beginning of the four dimensional space - time continuum that was being referred to?

I am not certain of that but that is the impression that I got from the English language translations of that that I have read.

A similar statement though in the Book of John gives me a somewhat different impression and I would guess that essentially the same statement in the Book of John might go all the way back to the time when the Ancient of Days the Heavenly Father pulled YHWh the Mother out of his right side.......
and then set in motion the creation of The Spirit of Moshiach stored in Gan Eden..... who is named The Word or The Logos in other ancient books?

I believe that the brilliant Chaim Henry Tejman M. D. may have given some of the best ever comments on all of this in terms of the language of Theoretical Physicists?


Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex

"Pulling and gravitation, which resemble basic feminine traits, are the dominant properties of the magnetic loop. Consequently, magnetic loops have a capacity for storing energy and act to maintain the structural integrity of the entire wave formation. The electronic/energetic loop consists of expanding properties that disperse energetic matter that “disappears” into space. This is synonymous with masculine characteristics." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)

Taking "Theistic Evolutionary Theory" back to infinite time in the past, even the probable "time" before the creation of the physical universe, or four dimensional space time continuum, gets us into some pretty heavy and confusing ideas.

 

[DennisPTate]

"If It's Weird, It's Wise"

If Hawking looked like Brad Pitt, nobody would have ever paid attention to him. Childish nerd social misfits love freaks; it's their revenge on society.

Good point, and if Stephen Hawking Ph. D. had been less dependent on others for every tiny mercy in his life he might have been more willing to come right out and admit that he was not actually an "Atheist" by definition but was much more likely an Agnostic. No dogmatic "Atheist" who had no valid questions would ever have written chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe."


Grand Unified Theory: Wave Theory and Life

"The essential matter from which our universe is created is energetic matter. It behaves like living matter, creating every known entity, including living objects and even thought (which occurs through energetic matter–wave interaction). The essential structure of energetic matter is high-energy (concentrated energetic matter) electro-magnetic waves (picture above). This simple structure is the basis of everything: every energetic formation and the universe. In picture 2, we see that the DNA (double helix) of all living formations has the same structure as waves: two loops of the same energetic matter, behaving according to the same rules." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)

Perhaps it is rude of me to state this in this way but I got the the impression from that chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe,", that Stephen Hawking Ph. D. was a firm believer in at least some variation on "Theistic Evolutionary Theory."

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

My guess is that in the original Hebrew it was probably the beginning of the four dimensional space - time continuum that was being referred to?

I am not certain of that but that is the impression that I got from the English language translations of that that I have read.

A similar statement though in the Book of John gives me a somewhat different impression and I would guess that essentially the same statement in the Book of John might go all the way back to the time when the Ancient of Days the Heavenly Father pulled YHWh the Mother out of his right side.......
and then set in motion the creation of The Spirit of Moshiach stored in Gan Eden..... who is named The Word or The Logos in other ancient books?

I believe that the brilliant Chaim Henry Tejman M. D. may have given some of the best ever comments on all of this in terms of the language of Theoretical Physicists?


Wave Theory and Gender: Why Sex


Taking "Theistic Evolutionary Theory" back to infinite time in the past, even the probable "time" before the creation of the physical universe, or four dimensional space time continuum, gets us into some pretty heavy and confusing ideas.

No Creator Required

All matter/energy and perhaps even intelligence/will/individuality always existed, changing from contact with other eternal substances. Since there was never a beginning, there is no need to imagine a Creation.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Good point, and if Stephen Hawking Ph. D. had been less dependent on others for every tiny mercy in his life he might have been more willing to come right out and admit that he was not actually an "Atheist" by definition but was much more likely an Agnostic. No dogmatic "Atheist" who had no valid questions would ever have written chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe."


Grand Unified Theory: Wave Theory and Life

Perhaps it is rude of me to state this in this way but I got the the impression from that chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe,", that Stephen Hawking Ph. D. was a firm believer in at least some variation on "Theistic Evolutionary Theory."

Comfort in Conformity

In Bladerunner, when Harrison Ford tried to make Sean Young feel better about herself, he could have pointed out that he himself could be nothing more than a collection of molecules that act outside his will. Humans may have illusions that are similar to what she had.

 

[DennisPTate]

No Creator Required

All matter/energy and perhaps even intelligence/will/individuality always existed, changing from contact with other eternal substances. Since there was never a beginning, there is no need to imagine a Creation.

That is definitely one of the most astonishingly deep statements that I have read in my sixty six years!

I do remember a statement from a near death experiencer that to some degree seems to fit with your statement, but it tends to put me into something of a mental short circuit, or paradox?

[Christian Andreason] :
"If there is any part of our core Self that causes us to hold serious questions about ourselves and our abilities, you can bet your bottom dollar that we will re-incarnate again and again until we are satisfied with the answers we eventually find.

What I saw from Heaven is that God has arranged a great big system of many different Universes out there ... which I now call, "God's Super Universe." (I probably ought to call it God's Super University because that is exactly what it was it made for ... to help educate us!) But what is so awesome to comprehend is that our Creator has it all organized perfectly to nurture and produce any kind of life or experience you can think of. This is done in such a way that helps us to pick right up from where our energy left off in a previous existence so that we might start over somewhere else.

But here is the deal ... all of itand I do mean ALL OF ITis happening all at once!
[Near death experiencer Christian Andreason], chapter 5 of his online book]

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I am going to have to do some more thinking about all of this in order to fully debate your assertion. For the moment I have to admit that you are not entirely in error, but that is really confusing and I suspect far above my Security Clearance Level with "The Spirit of Moshiach stored in Gan Eden."

~​

 

[DennisPTate]

Comfort in Conformity

In Bladerunner, when Harrison Ford tried to make Sean Young feel better about herself, he could have pointed out that he himself could be nothing more than a collection of molecules that act outside his will. Humans may have illusions that are similar to what she had.

Wow!

Again, you have made a very good point. The evidence for some variation of "Astral Projection" indicates that there is a part of us, perhaps our humans spirit, that can function separately from our physical human bodies and brains.

Even the human "soul" that has been described as our mind, will and emotions, seems to function somewhat separately from our human bodies.

 

[DennisPTate]

No Creator Required

All matter/energy and perhaps even intelligence/will/individuality always existed, changing from contact with other eternal substances. Since there was never a beginning, there is no need to imagine a Creation.

Aha, here is the part of your argument that I can debate:

"Since there was never a beginning, there is no need to imagine a Creation." [The Sage of Main Street]

I believe that while we are here in four dimensions of space and time we humans MUST imagine a Creation or we will be unable to figure out any way to behave in an ethical and thankful manner toward our family and friends.

I personally take the near death experience testimony of Mr. Robert Marshall very seriously. This man was brain dead for forty four hours and for forty three hours and twenty eight minutes Messiah Yeshua - Jesus taught and taught and mentored Robert on essentially every question that He knew that people would ask of Robert?

"Moshiach ben David" told Robert Marshall that the earth was three point six BILLION years old and told him that Satan began to fall about seventy million years ago and had fully fallen by sixty five million years ago. Even Messiah Yeshua - Jesus felt forced to go into the topic of "beginnings" in order to get one of his greatest ever students or disciples, prepared to mentor and teach tens of thousands of enthusiastic students who want to ask Robert questions about his brush with death.

The One Who I believe is "Moshiach ben David - Messiah Son of David" even told Robert that there was a major "beginning" that took place merely about six thousand years ago, [by the definition of linear time anyway].

“I DIED FOR 44 HOURS & GOD ANSWERED THE MYSTERIES OF LIFE!” on the Randy Kay channel.​

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After dying three times for a total of 44 hours in Heaven, Robert describes Heaven in vivid detail. But what makes this episode like none other is that Robert hears answers from Jesus about some the most mysterious questions of all-time:
1. How old is the earth?
2. What happened to the dinasaurs?
3. What happened to the Garden of Eden?
4. How were different ethnicities formed?
5. Why did Jesus use parables?...and so much more!

 

[ChemEngineer]

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No Creator Required

All matter/energy and perhaps even intelligence/will/individuality always existed, changing from contact with other eternal substances. Since there was never a beginning, there is no need to imagine a Creation.

DennisPTate: That is definitely one of the most astonishingly deep statements that I have read in my sixty six years!


There is nothing remotely deep about his denial of Nature's God. Eighty-five percent of Nobel Laureates in the 20th Century were believers in the Creator.

Irrational Atheism

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The statistics of naturalistic polypeptide synthesis are insuperable. They had to be designed by The Creator. Don't expect the "Sage" to understand much less explain that to you. Like all atheists, he is in perpetual denial of reality, science, and history.

 

[ChemEngineer]

All science is based on Christianity. Here is an article explaining:

Science Is Based on Assumptions from Biblical Theism

In 2007, physicist Paul Davies wrote an opinion article for the New York Times with the title, “Taking Science on Faith.” He wrote: [T]o be a scientist, you had to have faith that the universe is governed by dependable, immutable, absolute, universal, mathematical laws of an unspecified origin...

reasons.org

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

That is definitely one of the most astonishingly deep statements that I have read in my sixty six years!

I do remember a statement from a near death experiencer that to some degree seems to fit with your statement, but it tends to put me into something of a mental short circuit, or paradox?




I am going to have to do some more thinking about all of this in order to fully debate your assertion. For the moment I have to admit that you are not entirely in error, but that is really confusing and I suspect far above my Security Clearance Level with "The Spirit of Moshiach stored in Gan Eden."

~​

Mushroom Reports

If there is no memory of past lives, one that is accepted by everybody, it could be that the individualities that cross over to here can't fit their memories into human brains.

I don't believe in near-death experiences, because they are not common. There's no reason that only special people would have them. They fit in with other fantasies of the imagination. If someone sells a book with them, they are gospels of greed.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Wow!

Again, you have made a very good point. The evidence for some variation of "Astral Projection" indicates that there is a part of us, perhaps our humans spirit, that can function separately from our physical human bodies and brains.

Even the human "soul" that has been described as our mind, will and emotions, seems to function somewhat separately from our human bodies.

Individualism Leads to Inspiration

It is more likely that productive creativity cannot be traced to human programming. Therefore, a replicant couldn't invent anything, but it may appear to do so if it can make connections in its data that aren't apparent to less powerful thinkers. But geniuses can work outside the box their minds have been put in.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I feel that I have been given a rather unique explanation for the full history of the universe and I even feel somewhat responsible to try my best to get others thinking about this general idea that can perhaps result even in a book or two, about this idea in technical jargon that I cannot do myself.

Chapter thirteen of "Stephen Hawking's Universe" is entitled "The Anthropic Principle." I personally got the impression from that chapter that the late Stephen Hawking Ph. D. may NOT have been a full fledge Atheist but may instead have been questioning if there was a Theistic version of "Evolutionary Theory" possible that could perhaps have resulted in that Being of Light of near death experience fame, who seems to have invested in off the scale audio video technology for all eight billion of us humans that turns us into reality film stars in a drama that may well have extremely high value in infinite time in the future? My evidence for this is the "Life Review" that so many near death experiencers report having.

To my thinking Evolutionary Theory should no longer be limited to a mere fourteen billion or so years in the past but instead "Theistic Evolutionary Theory' should include essentially infinite time in the past?

One of the most astonishing statements that I have ever read that seems to me to fit perfectly with chapter thirteen of Stephen Hawking's universe are a few paragraphs by former Atheist and near death experiencer Mellen Thomas Benedict.

Evolutionary theory, regarding life on Earth?

No, it only has to go back about 4 billion years.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

DennisPTate: That is definitely one of the most astonishingly deep statements that I have read in my sixty six years!


There is nothing remotely deep about his denial of Nature's God. Eighty-five percent of Nobel Laureates in the 20th Century were believers in the Creator.

Irrational Atheism

irrational-atheism.blogspot.com

The statistics of naturalistic polypeptide synthesis are insuperable. They had to be designed by The Creator. Don't expect the "Sage" to understand much less explain that to you. Like all atheists, he is in perpetual denial of reality, science, and history.

Establishing a Mindset That Would Accept One's Own Slavery

Why have an outside God establishing His tyranny over every individual? Once individual intelligences possessed Earth's life-forms, they could overcome random odds by choosing and making part of themselves whatever molecules needed and rejecting harmful or useless molecules. Intellect ("select between") literally means that. Theism seeks to discredit human intelligence, giving all choices for us to a totalitarian ruler.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Science Is Based on Assumptions from Biblical Theism

In 2007, physicist Paul Davies wrote an opinion article for the New York Times with the title, “Taking Science on Faith.” He wrote: [T]o be a scientist, you had to have faith that the universe is governed by dependable, immutable, absolute, universal, mathematical laws of an unspecified origin...

reasons.org

If God creates those rules, He is not benevolent

 

[DennisPTate]

No Creator Required

All matter/energy and perhaps even intelligence/will/individuality always existed, changing from contact with other eternal substances. Since there was never a beginning, there is no need to imagine a Creation.

Or, more likely, this principle would almost certainly lead to an off the scale intelligent and powerful Creator that would put part of themselves in every living thing in the universe?

Even plants seem to have emotions which fits perfectly with statements in Isaiah.

The Fundamental Force

"The swirling and spinning motion creates circular formations. To finish
constructing the wave, the energetic matter must complete two semi-circular rounds. The figures are executed perpendicular to each other, and their energetic paths are in a state of superposition. The closed formation allows the energetic matter to move along closed energetic paths and maintain its energetic matter. It creates two internal swirls (vortices), which are neither identical nor symmetrical. In other words, the same type of energetic matter that moves along a common path that is shared by both swirls within a particular wave formation. Nevertheless, the swirls do not contain equal amounts of energy even in units with the same amount of space." (Dr. Chaim Tejman)

The whole earth is at rest and quiet;
they break forth into singing.
The cypresses rejoice at you,
the cedars of Lebanon, saying,
‘Since you were laid low,
no hewer comes up against us.’ [Isaiah 14]

The Secret Life of Plants (1973) is a book by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird, which documents controversial experiments that claim to reveal unusual phenomena associated with plants, such as plant sentience and the ability of plants to communicate with other creatures, including humans. The book goes on to discuss philosophies and progressive farming methods based on these "findings".

The Secret Life of Plants - Wikipedia

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The Creator is in plants but also even in water.

Dr. Masaru Emoto's water experiment involved freezing water that had been exposed to different stimuli, such as words, music, or emotions, and then photographing the resulting ice crystals under a microscope. He claimed that water exposed to positive stimuli, like "love" or "thank you," formed beautiful, symmetrical crystals, while water exposed to negative stimuli, like "you fool" or hateful thoughts, produced distorted and asymmetrical structures.

Masaru Emoto - Water Experiments​