The WHOLE STORY of the Green Card Permanent Resident and FORMER Mayor Joe Ceballos.

[MarathonMike]

The case of former Mayor Joe Ceballos is a perfect example of the complexity of ILLEGAL immigration. Yes, he has resigned and is facing deportation although he has been in the US since he was 4, does not speak Spanish and has by all accounts been a fine American for 50 years.

Yes it IS LEGAL in local jurisdictions for a non US citizen to hold public office. He is loved in the small Republican town of Coldwater and has served 4 terms as their mayor. His Green Card says Permanent Resident so he erroneously thought that made him eligible to vote in national elections. It does not.

I will no doubt piss off many of my fellow Trump supporters by saying this but this man should not have had to resign and should not be deported. He has proven himself as many DACA permanent residents have that they are fine Americans and worthy of official citizenship and certainly should not be deported. In fact, It is DETRIMENTAL to the US to do so and certainly life wrecking for the deportees.

What purpose would be served by deporting this man? He has served his community very well for decades and has no ties to Mexico whatsoever. If the DHS wants to make an example that they "mean business" they have made a very poor choice in singling out Joe Ceballos in my humble opinion. To lump him in with clear immigration fraudsters like many of the Somalians is the worst kind of broad brushing. That little town loses a good man, his life is essentially destroyed and for what purpose? To make a point? I totally disagree with this.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article313564934.html

 

[1srelluc]

Nothing "complex" about it.....He's can't vote in national elections. I can't give him a mulligan on that one.

 

[BackAgain]

The case of former Mayor Joe Ceballos is a perfect example of the complexity of ILLEGAL immigration. Yes, he has resigned and is facing deportation although he has been in the US since he was 4, does not speak Spanish and has by all accounts been a fine American for 50 years.

Yes it IS LEGAL in local jurisdictions for a non US citizen to hold public office. He is loved in the small Republican town of Coldwater and has served 4 terms as their mayor. His Green Card says Permanent Resident so he erroneously thought that made him eligible to vote in national elections. It does not.

I will no doubt piss off many of my fellow Trump supporters by saying this but this man should not have had to resign and should not be deported. He has proven himself as many DACA permanent residents have that they are fine Americans and worthy of official citizenship and certainly should not be deported. In fact, It is DETRIMENTAL to the US to do so and certainly life wrecking for the deportees.

What purpose would be served by deporting this man? He has served his community very well for decades and has no ties to Mexico whatsoever. If the DHS wants to make an example that they "mean business" they have made a very poor choice in singling out Joe Ceballos in my humble opinion. To lump him in with clear immigration fraudsters like many of the Somalians is the worst kind of broad brushing. That little town loses a good man, his life is essentially destroyed and for what purpose? To make a point? I totally disagree with this.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article313564934.html

It doesn’t piss me off. You are allowed to have feelings. And it does “feel” kind of unfair or cruel to force the former mayor to exit our land. However, it’s not clear that having that feeling justifies your proposed remedy.

The purpose served is enforcement of our laws. If, by creating an exception to the law on the basis of feelings, we end-up creating some form of “amnesty,” we know from experience that the exception is likely to devour the entire rule.

Still, if the application of the law to any particular case seems unduly harsh or unfair, then maybe a legislated set of “exceptions” needs to be delineated.

 

[EMH]

Deport the LIABILITIES

KEEP the ASSETS


CONSERVATIVE PHILOSOPHY 101

 

[TNHarley]

**** him. He broke the law. Deport his ass.
Emotion has no room in our immigration laws.

 

[BackAgain]

It is also very doubtful that he wasn’t aware of the fact that having a green card doesn’t make one a citizen and that only citizens can vote in national elections.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

After being called a facist, Nazi, authoritarian, homophobe, bigot, etc, etc, etc,... at the drop of a hat.

I just really don't want to hear the excuses and demands for exceptions because...

SMILE





Deport him and he can take it up in a court of law.

 

[martybegan]

It is also very doubtful that he wasn’t aware of the fact that having a green card doesn’t make one a citizen and that only citizens can vote in national elections.

My question is why did he stop at Green Card status and not go for Citizenship?

 

[1srelluc]

My question is why did he stop at Green Card status and not go for Citizenship?

I suspect because of the whole DACA thing. Looks like #3 might apply.

DACA recipients cannot apply for U.S. citizenship directly; however, they can apply for a green card if they meet specific eligibility criteria, such as having a qualifying family relationship or employment offer.

Understanding​

1. DACA Overview: The Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program protects eligible undocumented immigrants who came to the U.S. as children from deportation and allows them to work legally. However, DACA does not provide a direct pathway to permanent residency (green card) or citizenship.
   
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2. Applying for a Green Card: DACA recipients can apply for a green card through various pathways, including:
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• Family-Based Immigration: If a DACA recipient has an immediate relative who is a U.S. citizen or lawful permanent resident, they may be eligible to apply for a green card through family sponsorship.
  
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• Marriage to a U.S. Citizen: DACA recipients who marry a U.S. citizen can apply for a green card based on their marriage. This process may involve additional steps if the recipient entered the U.S. without inspection.
  
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• Employment-Based Immigration: Some DACA recipients may qualify for employment-based visas, which can lead to permanent residency.
  
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1. Pathway to Citizenship: After obtaining a green card, DACA recipients can then pursue U.S. citizenship through the naturalization process. This typically requires them to have held a green card for at least five years (or three years if married to a U.S. citizen) and to meet other eligibility criteria.
   
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Important​

• Legal Entry Requirement: One critical factor for DACA recipients is the lawful entry requirement. Those who entered the U.S. without inspection may face challenges in adjusting their status to permanent residency.
  
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• Consulting an Immigration Attorney: Given the complexities of immigration law, it is highly recommended that DACA recipients consult with an experienced immigration attorney to explore their options and navigate the application process effectively.
  
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  In summary, while DACA recipients cannot directly apply for citizenship, they can pursue a green card through various legal pathways, which can eventually lead to citizenship.
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[MarathonMike]

Nothing "complex" about it.....He's can't vote in national elections. I can't give him a mulligan on that one.

So you believe should be deported even though he has held Permanent Green Card status for decades. Got it.

 

[1srelluc]

So you believe should be deported even though he has held Permanent Green Card status for decades. Got it.

So why did he not apply for naturalization? See post #9.

 

[MarathonMike]

It doesn’t piss me off. You are allowed to have feelings. And it does “feel” kind of unfair or cruel to force the former mayor to exit our land. However, it’s not clear that having that feeling justifies your proposed remedy.

The purpose served is enforcement of our laws. If, by creating an exception to the law on the basis of feelings, we end-up creating some form of “amnesty,” we know from experience that the exception is likely to devour the entire rule.

Still, if the application of the law to any particular case seems unduly harsh or unfair, then maybe a legislated set of “exceptions” needs to be delineated.

I don't base my opinion based on my "feelings" but rather reasonable application of the law. I do not see justice served by throwing the book at this man and deporting him for what appears to be a reasonable mistake in his case. I see zero benefit to America and certainly no benefit to Mr. Ceballos in deporting him.

 

[TNHarley]

I don't base my opinion based on my "feelings" but rather reasonable application of the law. I do not see justice served by throwing the book at this man and deporting him for what appears to be a reasonable mistake in his case. I see zero benefit to America and certainly no benefit to Mr. Ceballos in deporting him.

Did he break the law? Yes or no?
If yes, then you are using feelings. If no, please explain.

 

[MarathonMike]

Did he break the law? Yes or no?
If yes, then you are using feelings. If no, please explain.

Yes as I wrote previously he broke the law. I am using my brain and recognizing that everything is not just a Black/White Yes/No issue. You can take the hard line of deport them all, no exceptions, no shades of gray. That is your prerogative. I say that his "crime" does not rise to the level of deportation from the only country he has ever known.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Yes as I wrote previously he broke the law. I am using my brain and recognizing that everything is not just a Black/White Yes/No issue. You can take the hard line of deport them all, no exceptions, no shades of gray. That is your prerogative. I say that his "crime" does not rise to the level of deportation from the only country he has ever known.

As far as the law is concerned, it is a black/white issue. Once deported, he can legally apply to come back.

Too bad.
So sad.
Your Dad.

 

[MarathonMike]

As far as the law is concerned, it is a black/white issue. Once deported, he can legally apply to come back.

Too bad.
So sad.
Your Dad.

If you read the Federal Law on the possible consequences of non-citizen voting, it is NOT a black/white issue. Individual circumstances are considered and I am confident the former Mayor will not be deported and very likely elected to another office where he is clearly loved by the people there in Coldwater.

 

[westwall]

The case of former Mayor Joe Ceballos is a perfect example of the complexity of ILLEGAL immigration. Yes, he has resigned and is facing deportation although he has been in the US since he was 4, does not speak Spanish and has by all accounts been a fine American for 50 years.

Yes it IS LEGAL in local jurisdictions for a non US citizen to hold public office. He is loved in the small Republican town of Coldwater and has served 4 terms as their mayor. His Green Card says Permanent Resident so he erroneously thought that made him eligible to vote in national elections. It does not.

I will no doubt piss off many of my fellow Trump supporters by saying this but this man should not have had to resign and should not be deported. He has proven himself as many DACA permanent residents have that they are fine Americans and worthy of official citizenship and certainly should not be deported. In fact, It is DETRIMENTAL to the US to do so and certainly life wrecking for the deportees.

What purpose would be served by deporting this man? He has served his community very well for decades and has no ties to Mexico whatsoever. If the DHS wants to make an example that they "mean business" they have made a very poor choice in singling out Joe Ceballos in my humble opinion. To lump him in with clear immigration fraudsters like many of the Somalians is the worst kind of broad brushing. That little town loses a good man, his life is essentially destroyed and for what purpose? To make a point? I totally disagree with this.

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article313564934.html

I agree. He shouldn't be deported.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

If you read the Federal Law on the possible consequences of non-citizen voting, it is NOT a black/white issue. Individual circumstances are considered and I am confident the former Mayor will not be deported and very likely elected to another office where he is clearly loved by the people there in Coldwater.

I did read the federal law, dumbass! He does not qualify for any of the three exceptions. You are simply wrong, as per usual.

 

[MarathonMike]

I did read the federal law, dumbass! He does not qualify for any of the three exceptions. You are simply wrong, as per usual.

Sure he does. I won't be drawn into your usual childish personal attacks. Run along. You are wrong.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Sure he does. I won't be drawn into your usual childish personal attacks. Run along. You are wrong.

Which exception applies, dumbass? Put your emotions where your mouth is and answer the damned question, retard!