Zone1 The Roman Catholic Church in the U.S. Is Doomed (apparently)

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There is a long list of reasons why the RC Church is rapidly shrinking in the U.S. The pedo-priest scandal gets a lot of attention (less in recent years), but at this late date everyone who left for that reason is long gone. Some factors are seldom mentioned and maybe ignored, but are worth citing.

Previous generations of Catholics went almost exclusively to Catholic parochial schools, being indoctrinated with Catholic beliefs, customs, and pageantry from the time they (we) were old enough to accompany our parents to Church. The explosion of property taxes to pay for public schools made many Boomer parents decide that they didn't want to pay double "tuition" for both public and parochial schools, so they put their kids in the public school system, intending to teach them Catholicism on their own - We failed miserably. The percentage of Millenials who are "as Catholic" as their Boomer parents is pathetic, and of course the subsequent generations are even less likely to be practicing Catholics.

As for the indoctrination, my personal belief is that sending a kid to a parochial grade school followed by public HS is a recipe for failure. Grade school kids are taught to believe without question, and to memorize the Faith by rote. In a good parochial HS, religion is taught in an adult fashion, confronting the questions that are common with sound Catholic apologetics. I've met hundreds of adults who just went to their neighborhood Catholic grade school, and truly have no idea about how adults maintain the faith - which is why they left.

The prevailing culture is not non-religious, it is anti-religious. Immoral lifestyles and life choices are almost universal in scripted television, and the nuclear family is seen mainly as an aberration, not to be expected in "normal" life. Religious people, when they show up at all, are universally portrayed as ignorant, stupid, and irrational. Is it any wonder that kids raised in this culture do not believe in moral clarity or any powers superior to their own ego? My truth? Gimmeafukkinbreak.

My own Catholic experience right now is with a congregation that is stable and growing, albeit with a substantial group of border criminals from south of the border. Our 10-year-old church is paid off and the parish (a consolidation of four previous parishes) is running well in the black. Church attendance is about 60% of what it was before Covid, but the balance seem to be "attending" church through Zoom (and comparable) participation. They are still tithing as before. We have more than 50 forms of "outreach" to the community and more than a thousand volunteers who do what needs doing.

Parenthetically, I go to the Villages (Florida) every Winter, and the churches down there are PACKED every Sunday. You have to get to Mass half an hour early if you want a legitimate parking space (not on the grass or whatever). Of course 95% of us are white-haired geezers, but still...

As a parent, I am an abject failure in this regard, raising a son (43) who says be believes in something, but he's not sure what. Recent conversations tell me that he feels like we pushed him to be a religious fanatic (like us?) by insisting that he come to Church with us while he was in grade school. I guess he compares his experience with the other kids in school, who rarely if ever saw the inside of any church at all.

I have no problem with being a part of a Church that is smaller that what I've known previously, but more focused. But I foresee a time when there are so few priests that they have to be nomads, all covering congregations that live in several counties at once. The Popes never go along with my suggestions on married and female priests. Pity that.
 
Pedo priests in this century are rare, but hell yes it was hell for those who endured it. I`m one of 5 boys who attended Catholic school in the 60s and early 70s and none of us ever experienced it. My MAGA acquaintance said his brother was molested in the 60s, and being a MAGA, he said all priests are pedophiles. He also believes all Blacks are homicidal maniacs. He belongs to a MAGA social club that doesn`t allow women to sit at the bar. A textbook White Male Supremacist. He`s a retired overpaid underqualified school teacher.
 
My parents both went to Catholic HS.
when Vatican II hit they departed. We were Baptist for a long while.
 
Churches that deviate from the long believed teachings of the church lose members,
That is what is happening to the Catholic church.
 

There is a long list of reasons why the RC Church is rapidly shrinking in the U.S. The pedo-priest scandal gets a lot of attention (less in recent years), but at this late date everyone who left for that reason is long gone. Some factors are seldom mentioned and maybe ignored, but are worth citing.

Previous generations of Catholics went almost exclusively to Catholic parochial schools, being indoctrinated with Catholic beliefs, customs, and pageantry from the time they (we) were old enough to accompany our parents to Church. The explosion of property taxes to pay for public schools made many Boomer parents decide that they didn't want to pay double "tuition" for both public and parochial schools, so they put their kids in the public school system, intending to teach them Catholicism on their own - We failed miserably. The percentage of Millenials who are "as Catholic" as their Boomer parents is pathetic, and of course the subsequent generations are even less likely to be practicing Catholics.

As for the indoctrination, my personal belief is that sending a kid to a parochial grade school followed by public HS is a recipe for failure. Grade school kids are taught to believe without question, and to memorize the Faith by rote. In a good parochial HS, religion is taught in an adult fashion, confronting the questions that are common with sound Catholic apologetics. I've met hundreds of adults who just went to their neighborhood Catholic grade school, and truly have no idea about how adults maintain the faith - which is why they left.

The prevailing culture is not non-religious, it is anti-religious. Immoral lifestyles and life choices are almost universal in scripted television, and the nuclear family is seen mainly as an aberration, not to be expected in "normal" life. Religious people, when they show up at all, are universally portrayed as ignorant, stupid, and irrational. Is it any wonder that kids raised in this culture do not believe in moral clarity or any powers superior to their own ego? My truth? Gimmeafukkinbreak.

My own Catholic experience right now is with a congregation that is stable and growing, albeit with a substantial group of border criminals from south of the border. Our 10-year-old church is paid off and the parish (a consolidation of four previous parishes) is running well in the black. Church attendance is about 60% of what it was before Covid, but the balance seem to be "attending" church through Zoom (and comparable) participation. They are still tithing as before. We have more than 50 forms of "outreach" to the community and more than a thousand volunteers who do what needs doing.

Parenthetically, I go to the Villages (Florida) every Winter, and the churches down there are PACKED every Sunday. You have to get to Mass half an hour early if you want a legitimate parking space (not on the grass or whatever). Of course 95% of us are white-haired geezers, but still...

As a parent, I am an abject failure in this regard, raising a son (43) who says be believes in something, but he's not sure what. Recent conversations tell me that he feels like we pushed him to be a religious fanatic (like us?) by insisting that he come to Church with us while he was in grade school. I guess he compares his experience with the other kids in school, who rarely if ever saw the inside of any church at all.

I have no problem with being a part of a Church that is smaller that what I've known previously, but more focused. But I foresee a time when there are so few priests that they have to be nomads, all covering congregations that live in several counties at once. The Popes never go along with my suggestions on married and female priests. Pity that.
Pros: 1. The RC Church preserved Christianity for 1500 years
2. Parochial schools are vastly superior to public schools.
Cons: 1. RC religious practices are almost all man-made.
2. It enslaved its parishioners for 1500 years.

Has it become obsolete?
 
As a parent, I am an abject failure in this regard, raising a son (43) who says be believes in something, but he's not sure what.

OK, so he's agnostic. At least he's hedging his bets. ;)
 
August 18, 2025

More Americans joining Catholic Church than leaving for first time in decades​


The Catholic Church in the United States appears to be entering a period of renewed growth, with the latest data showing that more people are now joining than leaving. Figures compiled by Shane Schaetzel, using research from the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA), the Pew Research Center, the National Catholic Register, and Vatican statistics, suggest that after two decades of decline, adult conversions are once again on the rise.

At the beginning of the millennium, annual conversions stood at around 175,000. Over the following twenty years, the numbers steadily diminished, reaching a low of 70,000 in 2020. Since then, however, the trend has reversed sharply. By 2025, nearly 160,000 adult Americans are projected to enter the Catholic Church, a figure approaching the levels seen at the start of the century. Importantly, these conversions are domestic in character. They do not represent Catholic immigrants being counted anew, but rather Americans themselves choosing to embrace the faith.

The picture of Catholic growth is, nonetheless, complex. Births within Catholic families, measured by infant baptisms, have undergone a pronounced decline, falling from approximately one million annually in 2000 to under half that figure today. Immigration, both legal and illegal, continues to play a central role, providing several hundred thousand new Catholics each year. Legal immigration has remained steady at about 350,000 annually, while illegal immigration, which had all but disappeared after 2007, has sharply increased since 2020, peaking at 480,000 in 2023.

For much of the past two decades, this demographic balance concealed a troubling reality. While large numbers were entering the Church, often through immigration, an equal or greater number of Catholics were departing. From 2000 until around 2020, the American Church consistently experienced a net loss, with more people leaving than joining.

That trend has now shifted. The number of Catholics leaving the Church has fallen markedly since 2020, and by 2024, for the first time in years, the lines of entry and exit have crossed. According to Schaetzel’s research, more are joining the Church than departing from it. If the projections for 2025 hold, this change could represent a significant turning point for American Catholicism.

The figures present a more hopeful picture for the future of Catholicism in the United States than many observers had anticipated. After years of concern over declining retention and diminishing conversions, the evidence now points to a Church regaining its footing, with more Americans entering its fold than leaving it behind.

 
August 18, 2025

More Americans joining Catholic Church than leaving for first time in decades​


The Catholic Church in the United States appears to be entering a period of renewed growth, with the latest data showing that more people are now joining than leaving. Figures compiled by Shane Schaetzel, using research from the Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA), the Pew Research Center, the National Catholic Register, and Vatican statistics, suggest that after two decades of decline, adult conversions are once again on the rise.

At the beginning of the millennium, annual conversions stood at around 175,000. Over the following twenty years, the numbers steadily diminished, reaching a low of 70,000 in 2020. Since then, however, the trend has reversed sharply. By 2025, nearly 160,000 adult Americans are projected to enter the Catholic Church, a figure approaching the levels seen at the start of the century. Importantly, these conversions are domestic in character. They do not represent Catholic immigrants being counted anew, but rather Americans themselves choosing to embrace the faith.

The picture of Catholic growth is, nonetheless, complex. Births within Catholic families, measured by infant baptisms, have undergone a pronounced decline, falling from approximately one million annually in 2000 to under half that figure today. Immigration, both legal and illegal, continues to play a central role, providing several hundred thousand new Catholics each year. Legal immigration has remained steady at about 350,000 annually, while illegal immigration, which had all but disappeared after 2007, has sharply increased since 2020, peaking at 480,000 in 2023.

For much of the past two decades, this demographic balance concealed a troubling reality. While large numbers were entering the Church, often through immigration, an equal or greater number of Catholics were departing. From 2000 until around 2020, the American Church consistently experienced a net loss, with more people leaving than joining.

That trend has now shifted. The number of Catholics leaving the Church has fallen markedly since 2020, and by 2024, for the first time in years, the lines of entry and exit have crossed. According to Schaetzel’s research, more are joining the Church than departing from it. If the projections for 2025 hold, this change could represent a significant turning point for American Catholicism.

The figures present a more hopeful picture for the future of Catholicism in the United States than many observers had anticipated. After years of concern over declining retention and diminishing conversions, the evidence now points to a Church regaining its footing, with more Americans entering its fold than leaving it behind.

So the RCC is growing in the US!
 
Pedo priests in this century are rare, but hell yes it was hell for those who endured it. I`m one of 5 boys who attended Catholic school in the 60s and early 70s and none of us ever experienced it. My MAGA acquaintance said his brother was molested in the 60s, and being a MAGA, he said all priests are pedophiles. He also believes all Blacks are homicidal maniacs. He belongs to a MAGA social club that doesn`t allow women to sit at the bar. A textbook White Male Supremacist. He`s a retired overpaid underqualified school teacher.
MAGA here. And practicing Catholic. The two go hand-in-hand.

I am one of four boys and six siblings. We went to Mass every weekend without fail. My parents never made us go. They didn't have to. The parish Church imbued into us the necessity of attending. Nobody in my family ever experienced anything inappropriate with a priest or at church. I think it is exaggerated.

At no time in my life have I ever stopped going to Mass. I have never understood those who leave the church because of what somebody else said or did, whether it be feeling slighted by a priest or the so-called abuse problem. All of those things have to do with bad actions by fallible human beings and in no way diminish the perfect teachings of Jesus Christ and His Church.
 
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So the RCC is rising in the US 😊
No they are not

And:

Ja, die katholische Kirche in Europa befindet sich seit mehreren Jahren in einem spürbaren Rückzug
.Statistiken zeigen sinkende Mitgliederzahlen, eine alternde Bevölkerung und eine geringe Gottesdienstbesuchsrate (in Deutschland/Frankreich nur ca. 10–11 %). Der Einfluss der Kirche schwindet, was sich durch hohe Kirchenaustritte, insbesondere in Deutschland, manifestier
 
Yes it is. Reports of a declining Catholic Church are wishful thinking by the Marxist left and its sponsored media.
I`m a Marxist left church goer. :D
 
I`m a Marxist left church goer. :D
But the thing is, the left doesn't do any of those things. They don't help people, don't volunteer their own resources, and don't care about people. It's all lip service. What the left does is exterminates little children in the womb, hurts the businesses that provide jobs for families, and works to divide everyone. Nothing Christlike about them. The poor are WORSE off under Democrats. Marxist countries are hideous violent wastelands.
 
MAGA here. And practicing Catholic. The two go hand-in-hand.

No.



Holy Mother, where are you?
Tonight I feel broken in two
I've seen the stars fall from the sky
Holy Mother, can't keep from crying

Oh, I need your help this time
Get me through this lonely night
Tell me, please, which way to turn
To find myself again

Holy Mother, hear my prayer
Somehow I know you're still there
Send me please some peace of mind
Take away this pain

I can't wait, I can't wait, I can't wait any longer
I can't wait, I can't wait, I can't wait for you

Holy Mother, hear my cry
I've cursed your name a thousand times
I've felt the anger running through my soul
All I need is a hand to hold

Oh, I feel the end has come
No longer my legs will run
You know I would rather be
In your arms tonight
 
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