the one term biden legacy will be that he pardoned Hunter biden

[JoeB131]

As much as you will whine and complain, even you will be better off under Trump. He will save you and others from their own ignorance while they kick and scream.

On a side note, I noticed that even your nutty state wasn’t as blue as usual. Wacknuts in Chicago aside, it looks like there are some sane people in parts of Illinois.

Um, I was far worse off at the end of Trump's presidency than I was before it. And in his first term, he had guardrails and adult supervision. This time he'll appoint yes men who won't tell him when he's fucking up. (This isn't unique to Trump; every president who gets a second term does this, which is why no President has a 'good" second term. )

When I do well, it will be because of my efforts, as always. But I've always done better under Democrats (even ones I didn't vote for) than I have under Republicans (including ones I have.)

On a side note, let's wait until all the votes are counted to make determinations like that.

Now, I will admit the problem was that Biden should have withdrawn earlier, and Kamala didn't have enough time to build the kind of coalition that Biden and Obama had. So Biden's intransigence handed Trump a win he really didn't deserve.

We are all going to live to regret it.

 

[SweetTea]

Why wouldn't it?

Nixon was never formally charged with anything when Jerry Ford pardoned him.

And that was before the Supreme Court effectively ruled that anything a President does is legal.

A special prosecutor had already been appointed. It was well understood the crimes that Ford was pardoning. Pardoning non-Presidents(who have immunity) for crimes yet to even be speculated is beyond a stretch.

 

[SweetTea]

We are all going to live to regret it.

Not me. I will enjoy my gains in the market and enjoy lower taxes and less regulations and cheaper energy and peace in the world. You do you, but those are all goods things in my book. If Democrats had swept like the Republicans did, including the popular vote, I would be highly disappointed in the intelligence and patriotism of the American electorate. This restores my faith in the country. Now it is time to remove the woke nonsense from the electorate and force the anti-American left to rebuild from scratch, including removing the liberal indoctrination that is taking place in our educational system. At least we can buy our country another decade or two if we take that approach.

I would hope that intelligent people will wake up, and realize that the Democratic Party is just plain anti-American and evil, but I have my doubts.

 

[JoeB131]

Not me. I will enjoy my gains in the market and enjoy lower taxes and less regulations and cheaper energy and peace in the world. You do you, but those are all goods things in my book. If Democrats had swept like the Republicans did, including the popular vote, I would be highly disappointed in the intelligence and patriotism of the American electorate. This restores my faith in the country. Now it is time to remove the woke nonsense from the electorate and force the anti-American left to rebuild from scratch, including removing the liberal indoctrination that is taking place in our educational system. At least we can buy our country another decade or two if we take that approach.

I would hope that intelligent people will wake up, and realize that the Democratic Party is just plain anti-American and evil, but I have my doubts.

are you going to enjoy paying more for consumer goods because of his tariffs?

Guy, Trump barely won the popular vote.... this is not a mandate by any means.

 

[SweetTea]

are you going to enjoy paying more for consumer goods because of his tariffs?

Guy, Trump barely won the popular vote.... this is not a mandate by any means.

Harris wanted to raise corporate income taxes. You don't think that would have been passed along to the consumer?

 

[JoeB131]

Harris wanted to raise corporate income taxes. You don't think that would have been passed along to the consumer?

Actually, not as much, no. They have to remain competitive with each other.

They only pay the tax on profits.

Tariffs have to be paid if the company is competitive or not.

 

[SweetTea]

Actually, not as much, no. They have to remain competitive with each other.

And with imported goods from other less tax laden countries. I guess you forget that.

They only pay the tax on profits.

Right, and companies are in business to make more profits. Profits won't increase when taxes increase, therefore they recoup their "losses" by raising their costs. Their US competition has the same tax burden so they do the same. The foreign competition does not have the same tax burden, thus making the US corporations less competitive. These companies start looking for a home base somewhere they can pay less taxes, with less labor costs and fewer regulations. That is the only way they can remain competitive from a price standpoint.

Tariffs level the playing field for US corporations who are forced to pay higher taxes, higher costs and do business in a more heavily regulated environment. If imported goods are similarly priced due to tariffs, they have no incentive to leave, in fact, they can have healthy competition which will drive down the cost of goods for consumers while keeping companies in the US. How do you expect US based corporations to remain competitive while having high operational costs due to ill informed Democratic policies?

You guys have no understanding of business, just a lot of theory from bubble headed professors with no real world business experience.

 

[JoeB131]

And with imported goods from other less tax laden countries. I guess you forget that.

You are a tad confused how this works. Most companies that import foreign goods either are American or are organized as an American company. Companies I've worked for have had affiliates all over the world.

More to the point, other countries will impose retaliatory tariffs. For instance, when we imposed tariffs on China, China imposed tariffs on American Agricultural products. The government had to pay the farmers to make up for the shortfall as Chinese importers went elsewhere for pork and soybeans.

Right, and companies are in business to make more profits. Profits won't increase when taxes increase, therefore they recoup their "losses" by raising their costs. Their US competition has the same tax burden so they do the same. The foreign competition does not have the same tax burden, thus making the US corporations less competitive. These companies start looking for a home base somewhere they can pay less taxes, with less labor costs and fewer regulations. That is the only way they can remain competitive from a price standpoint.

The rich will price gouge regardless of the tax level. Prices never go down when we lower the corporate tax rate.

Tariffs level the playing field for US corporations who are forced to pay higher taxes, higher costs and do business in a more heavily regulated environment. If imported goods are similarly priced due to tariffs, they have no incentive to leave, in fact, they can have healthy competition which will drive down the cost of goods for consumers while keeping companies in the US. How do you expect US based corporations to remain competitive while having high operational costs due to ill informed Democratic policies?

Tariffs can have their uses. Trump wants to impose across the board tariffs.

 

[SweetTea]

You are a tad confused how this works. Most companies that import foreign goods either are American or are organized as an American company. Companies I've worked for have had affiliates all over the world.

More to the point, other countries will impose retaliatory tariffs. For instance, when we imposed tariffs on China, China imposed tariffs on American Agricultural products. The government had to pay the farmers to make up for the shortfall as Chinese importers went elsewhere for pork and soybeans.

You are leaving out a critical piece of information here. The United States is in a huge position of strength in this regard. Our consumer spending power is over 2 times that of ALL the countries in the EU combined and 3.5 times that of China. Retaliating risks losing our business, which they are in no position to do. Stop thinking like a weak kneed Democrat and grow a pair. Weakness like this is what has led to the destabilization of the entire world under Biden, but I digress. Despite what you have been taught to think of the US through your liberal, anti-US indoctrination, we are the absolute predominate military and economic force in the world. It isn't even close. We should take advantage of that, and not kowtow to countries that, frankly, depend on us.

The rich will price gouge regardless of the tax level. Prices never go down when we lower the corporate tax rate.

So since they are "greedy" it stands to reason that they will raise prices when their profits suffer. In other words, raising corporate taxes increases the price you pay, however, competition plays a role. Price gouging is nothing more than a new Democratic talking point unless we are to believe that companies are all colluding with each other, which is ridonkulous.

Tariffs can have their uses. Trump wants to impose across the board tariffs.

He won't impose tariffs across the board, but some companies may be in for a rude awakening, which is the point entirely. Would Stellantis continue their plans to build the Dodge Ram in Mexico if there attempt to decrease overhead is offset by tariffs?

 

[JoeB131]

You are leaving out a critical piece of information here. The United States is in a huge position of strength in this regard. Our consumer spending power is over 2 times that of ALL the countries in the EU combined and 3.5 times that of China. Retaliating risks losing our business, which they are in no position to do. Stop thinking like a weak kneed Democrat and grow a pair. Weakness like this is what has led to the destabilization of the entire world under Biden, but I digress. Despite what you have been taught to think of the US through your liberal, anti-US indoctrination, we are the absolute predominate military and economic force in the world. It isn't even close. We should take advantage of that, and not kowtow to countries that, frankly, depend on us.

Here's your reading assignment buddy. Smoot-Hawley

We couldn't beat up two third world countries... I would hate to think what would happen if we met someone who could fight back.

He won't impose tariffs across the board,

He actually said that he would.

 

[SweetTea]

We couldn't beat up two third world countries... I would hate to think what would happen if we met someone who could fight back.

We can destroy any country, but our past administrations have felt the need to walk on eggs shells as not to offend lily livered wimp, PC Democrats.

 

[ThisIsMe]

I'm more happy that biden lost than trump won
biden has been a world class piece of garbage
I'm sure the big pardon is coming

Exclusive: Biden tells Muir he wouldn't pardon son Hunter, says Trump got 'fair trial'

ABC News anchor David Muir asked President Joe Biden on Thursday if he would accept the outcome of his son Hunter's trial in Wilmington, Delaware.

abcnews.go.com

Biden says he won’t. I think he should. Or trump should.

 

[roderick]

Oh, I think America's failure to hold Trump to account will come back to haunt us.

He probably won't live through his term. He's not a well man.

But the damage he has done will live on for years.

You're not a well man. I question if you're even a man.

 

[roderick]

Only in your imagination.

Keep denying, denier.

 

[JoeB131]

We can destroy any country, but our past administrations have felt the need to walk on eggs shells as not to offend lily livered wimp, PC Democrats.

The only country Republicans have destroyed is this one.


Get fucking real, man, We never learn this lesson. We didn't learn it in Afghanistan and Iraq, we didn't learn it 60 years ago in Vietnam, and we didn't learn it 120 years ago in the Philippines.

Nobody likes foreigners taking over their country. shit, you guys lose your shit when a bunch fo Mexicans come over to pick the lettuce for you.

I'm willing to guess that you never signed up to fight a war.

 

[SweetTea]

The only country Republicans have destroyed is this one.


Get fucking real, man, We never learn this lesson. We didn't learn it in Afghanistan and Iraq, we didn't learn it 60 years ago in Vietnam, and we didn't learn it 120 years ago in the Philippines.

Nobody likes foreigners taking over their country. shit, you guys lose your shit when a bunch fo Mexicans come over to pick the lettuce for you.

I'm willing to guess that you never signed up to fight a war.

The world is much more dangerous under Biden’s watch than under Trump’s. That is a simple fact.

No, I was not in the military, but my family was heavily involved and very highly ranked. Lt. Col and full bird Col. My grandfather was in WW2. An uncle in Vietnam. A younger cousin who just left the Marines. None of them would consider voting for a Democrat.

 

[22lcidw]

Actually, he can issue himself a blanket pardon, in theory.

In reality, he won't have to.

By the time Trump gets done wrestling with the DOJ, Biden will be long gone.

If there is any wrestling, it may be other people doing it besides Trump. The Progs have abused a lot of people and a percentage of them want to return the favor.

 

[JoeB131]

The world is much more dangerous under Biden’s watch than under Trump’s. That is a simple fact.

Only because Trump enabled Putin and the other bad actors in the world.

Sure, Iran is a bigger problem, because Trump effectively ceded Iraq and Syria to them, let Putin have his way with the Ukraine, and sold out the Afghan Government at Doha.

The only reason why his international fuckups didn't get more attention was America was too busy dealing with his domestic fuckups with Covid, the riots and the recession.

No, I was not in the military, but my family was heavily involved and

Then sit down and shut the fuck up about military stuff, you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[JohnDB]

 

[SweetTea]

Only because Trump enabled Putin and the other bad actors in the world.

You mean by opposing and sanctioning the completion of Nordstream 2? You mean by warning Merkle about the danger of Germany’s reliance on Russian energy? Funny, that when Biden took office and removed the sanctions that Russia decided to invade. You don’t know what you are talking about.

Sure, Iran is a bigger problem, because Trump effectively ceded Iraq and Syria to them, let Putin have his way with the Ukraine, and sold out the Afghan Government at Doha.

Democrats give Iran money. I don’t care whose money it is, we shouldn’t be giving them money to fund terrorism. Oh wait, they pinky swore that they wouldn’t be using it for that. They take advantage of the liberal, childish mindset.

Again, Oct 7 happened under Biden’s watch. Yeah, just another coincidence.

Then sit down and shut the fuck up about military stuff, you have no idea what you are talking about.

You know nothing more about “military stuff” than the average resume writer. Maybe you are aware that the primer of a shotgun shell should be facing the firing pin, unlike your buddy Walz, the self-proclaimed frequent pheasant hunter, who attempted to load it backwards. Other than that, you have no inside knowledge. You weren’t privy to special information that enlightened you. Your political views are in the minority among military veterans. You are the outlier. Are we supposed to believe that you know more than the majority? If so, why is that? Are you more enlightened than my uncle who retired in the last 10 years as a Col working out of the Pentagon? How about my other uncle who was a Lt. Col. in Desert Storm. Are you more enlightened than him as well?