The nature of Heaven

[Persuader]

This discussion is for 'Believers'.....I am not interested in those who do not -nor in their opinions or ideas.

It appears to me that most do not subscribe to what the Holy Scriptures have to say about Heaven.

Childish fairy tales seem to be the norm even though these people claim to be 'Believers"

A good place to start I think would be...............'And there was War in Heaven' for those who have not studied the Scriptures or read them....you will find this talked about in the Book of Revelation.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjszt6iqo6PAxWHQjABHVRFIusQFnoECAoQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.biblegateway.com%2Fpassage%2F%3Fsearch%3DRevelation%252012%253A7-17%26version%3DKJV&usg=AOvVaw3rjML4DNBMFeolL8mwYsc1&opi=89978449

 

[JustAnotherNut]

So what exactly are you asking?

Most believers do know of the war in Heaven and the war that is still being fought for our very souls........Satan had been a more favored Angel until he had become prideful of himself and wanted to be worshiped above God, and some of the angels did follow him. These were the ones God had cast down, because God is the Alpha and the Omega and the only one to be worshiped. And this is the basis of the fight between Good and Evil (God and Satan) Here on earth and while we are alive in it, Satan is trying to deceive believers into following him instead of God. Our battle is against his lies and to not fall victim to them, but stand firm in our belief.

God wants to be reconciled to all of His children thru Faith and that is Heaven...... to be with Him. And without Him is hell.


In the beginning, it was perfect. Man (Adam & Eve) were innocent and were 'with' God in the Garden of Eden that was a Holy Place. (this was before Satan and his angels fall) Then Satan had deceived them, and they had eaten of the forbidden fruit of the tree of knowledge of Good & Evil that set all of mankind on a different path and separate from God. And the further away man became, the less direct interaction between man & God......and today there is little to no obvious sign of God........but as believers we see He is still there with us to encourage us to hold steady to our faith, all the while living in the world and constantly being tempted away. And in truth, the war has already been won thru the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. His blood was shed to cleanse us from our sins that separate us from God. But while still on earth, we are still fighting the battles.

We know the end is near and that we are living in those last days when Satans time is coming to a close........seen by the measure of evil in the world that has increased 1000 fold in just our own lifetime


Only if you are any measure of a believer will any of that^^^ make any sense. And if it doesn't, then you might want to brush up on your Bible, and get right with God because the clock is ticking at an ever faster pace.

 

[Hafar1014]

The afterlife is real and has nothing to do with religion

 

[Harry Dresden]

The afterlife is real and has nothing to do with religion

how do you know?...

 

[Votto]

This discussion is for 'Believers'.....I am not interested in those who do not -nor in their opinions or ideas.

It appears to me that most do not subscribe to what the Holy Scriptures have to say about Heaven.

Childish fairy tales seem to be the norm even though these people claim to be 'Believers"

A good place to start I think would be...............'And there was War in Heaven' for those who have not studied the Scriptures or read them....you will find this talked about in the Book of Revelation.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjszt6iqo6PAxWHQjABHVRFIusQFnoECAoQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.biblegateway.com%2Fpassage%2F%3Fsearch%3DRevelation%252012%253A7-17%26version%3DKJV&usg=AOvVaw3rjML4DNBMFeolL8mwYsc1&opi=89978449

War in heaven? You mean when Lucifer and his angels were cast to earth in a split second?

Ok. Not much of a war really.

 

[Hafar1014]

how do you know?...

I have had experiences with the afterlife

 

[Votto]

I have had experiences with the afterlife

You watched Joe Biden during the Presidential debate didn't you?

 

[1srelluc]

If those that have gone before us look down on us now, you have to wonder what they might think.

 

[Harry Dresden]

I have had experiences with the afterlife

oh so you have been there...got it...

 

[Hafar1014]

oh so you have been there...got it...

No we can have experiences with the afterlife without death. Use of mediums who are real, interventions that save ones life, contact in dreams. Its real.

 

[Harry Dresden]

No we can have experiences with the afterlife without death. Use of mediums who are real, interventions that save ones life, contact in dreams. Its real.

its all in your head...

 

[norwegen]

War in heaven. Yes, involving the high council, i.e., the gods.

The Jews went to war with the Romans.

 

[0311]

War in heaven. Yes, involving the high council, i.e., the gods.

The Jews went to war with the Romans.

The shear level of religious bullshit (and boy howdy there are tons of religious bullshit)) you obsess over is mind boggling.

There is NO god.

There is no Satan.

There is no heaven.

There is no hell.

Just weak minded fools who are dumb to fall the whole religious con.

 

[norwegen]

The shear level of religious bullshit (and boy howdy there are tons of religious bullshit)) you obsess over is mind boggling.

There is NO god.

There is no Satan.

There is no heaven.

There is no hell.

Just weak minded fools who are dumb to fall the whole religious con.

Obviously, you didn't understand my post. I made no allusion to the supernatural.

 

[0311]

Obviously, you didn't understand my post. I made no allusion to the supernatural.

No.

There is NO heaven.

There is NO hell.

Just people weak minded enough to in that brand of bull shi.t

 

[Persuader]

I have had experiences with the afterlife

Care to share?

 

[Persuader]

No.

There is NO heaven.

There is NO hell.

Just people weak minded enough to in that brand of bull shi.t

The fool has said in his heart.....there is no G-D

Psalm 14
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14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

2 The Lord looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were any that did understand, and seek God.

3 They are all gone aside, they are all together become filthy: there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

4 Have all the workers of iniquity no knowledge? who eat up my people as they eat bread, and call not upon the Lord.

5 There were they in great fear: for God is in the generation of the righteous.

6 Ye have shamed the counsel of the poor, because the Lord is his refuge.

7 Oh that the salvation of Israel were come out of Zion! when the Lord bringeth back the captivity of his people, Jacob shall rejoice, and Israel shall be glad.

Psalm 13
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm 15&version=KJV

 

[Hafar1014]

Care to share?

1. I have had the luck to know 2 mediums that were real not fakes. I was adopted and had no information about my birth family and all records were sealed. At this time there was no DNA testing. I went to see her explained my needs. She looked away like she was focusing then looked at me and started talking. She said, "your mother had dark hair brown eyes your father was in the army never knew your were born, you were born under a red shield. Call Lutheran Ministries Adoption. I call and ask them if they were the agency and the woman said no. Dont hang up. When were you adopted. I said 1952. She said only 2 agencies placed adoption in NJ Catholic Charities and Childrens Home Society. I call the CHS and its them. I go there the next day for my Non ID history. They redact all the names and give me the facts about my birth family. She said these words from my file "your mother had dark hair brown eyes your father was in the army and never knew you were born." I was also told I was born under a red shield. What does that man? She said I know and used her computer to shoe me the Red Shield. I was born while my mother was in a Salvation Army Booth Home

The medium gave me more specific information she could not have know that lead me to my mother and her family. The medium told me she talks to spirits of people who had passed away. My mother died 20 years before I found her

2. The other medium believes we have spirit guides who watch over us. I was in my truck at a red light. No vision on my left. The light turned green and I heard a voice in my head that said DONT GO DONT GO. I always go right away I didnt. A huge truck ran the light speeding and would have killed me.

3. I found a half brother who died a year before I found him A medium an old friend who didnt know about my brother called me and said my brother was talking to her and wanted to connect with me through her. Shes trusted fried I dont pay her. We met and had three way conversation. I was able to talk to his widow who confirmed many the things the medium told me were true.

Theres more one one becomes aware we can notice things that happen we cant explain

 

[Hafar1014]

Obviously, you didn't understand my post. I made no allusion to the supernatural.

There is an afterlife when our bodies die our memories and emotions continue. They can still interact with us and often due. We just dint recognize it. I hav had experiences with the after life and its very real

 

[Foxfyre]

This discussion is for 'Believers'.....I am not interested in those who do not -nor in their opinions or ideas.

It appears to me that most do not subscribe to what the Holy Scriptures have to say about Heaven.

Childish fairy tales seem to be the norm even though these people claim to be 'Believers"

A good place to start I think would be...............'And there was War in Heaven' for those who have not studied the Scriptures or read them....you will find this talked about in the Book of Revelation.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjszt6iqo6PAxWHQjABHVRFIusQFnoECAoQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.biblegateway.com%2Fpassage%2F%3Fsearch%3DRevelation%252012%253A7-17%26version%3DKJV&usg=AOvVaw3rjML4DNBMFeolL8mwYsc1&opi=89978449

I do not put a lot of faith in interpretations folks put on Biblical ipassages when we nor any Biblical experts have any way to know what is fact, what is symbolism, what is metaphor, what is allegory. It is sufficient for me to allow the Holy Spirit to teach me through such passages as much as I am able to understand.

Based on your post here, I don't know whether you will think my next statement to be appropriate for your thread, but here goes anyway:

I have no clue what Heaven will be like, but I am confident, pretty much all of the time, that I will be there. (The times I'm not I believe I'm being attacked by whatever force of evil we call Satan who places doubt in my mind. At those times I pray to God that I believe; help my unbelief until peace is restored in my soul.)

I do not have any clue what Heaven will be like, but I like to imagine what I want Heaven to be like. Perfect weather with landscapes of awesome beauty. Spending endless time with people I love. Meet many new wonderful friends as well has those from history I've admired and wondered about. There will be dogs and cats to cuddle and enjoy and horses to ride. And I will be able to get answers to questions for which there are no answers here on Planet Earth.

(Toward that last line, I am fully prepared to have a good laugh with everybody re how much of all this we thought we knew and got wrong. )