The Geography of the Bay of Fundy and a proverbial Climate Change "Canary in the coal mine?"

[DennisPTate]

Am I wrong to believe that rising ocean levels will happen first and foremost along the Bay of Fundy between the Canadian provinces of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia and the USA State of Maine?


"Physics question related to the geography of the Bay of Fundy?"

"If average ocean levels were to rise by ten centimeters.... .would
the multiplier effect of the geography of the Bay of Fundy continue?

The fact that the Bay of Fundy funnels tidal waters plus......
it is over 170 miles long, (274 kms), it produces high tide level that are tenX to fifteenX over the difference in tidal waters where I live.

So... could high tide levels near TRuro, N. S. to Moncton, N. B. be up by a meter or more if average ocean levels were to rise by ten centimeters?" [Dennis Tate, March 7, 2021]

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1888337987911

When could Nova Scotia become an island?

 

[EMH]

Oceans won't rise until Antarctica moves off South Pole.

We've got at least a 20 million year wait for that to happen.

 

[ReinyDays]

Am I wrong to believe that rising ocean levels will happen first and foremost along the Bay of Fundy between the Canadian provinces of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia and the USA State of Maine?

Yes ... you are wrong ...

The Laws of Nature requires that mean sea level is the same all around the world ... this level can't rise differently at different places ... that's not how gravity works ... what we're observing is land subsidence, and this is verified by satellite altimeters ...

The term you want to Google is "Water seeks its own level" ... focus on the scientific meaning ... the more technical terminology is is found at Navier–Stokes equations - Wikipedia ...

If you want to find the first place that will be flooded, look at where ground water is being pumped out ... this is where land subsidence is greatest ... and keep in mind, the land is rising under Scandinavia and less so under the Canadian Arctic ... using tidal gauges, you'd swear sea levels were falling in these places ...

I'm sorry ... science isn't based on belief ... it's based on objective facts and logical processes ... belief is for religion ... try not to confuse the two ...

 

[DennisPTate]

Yes ... you are wrong ...

The Laws of Nature requires that mean sea level is the same all around the world ... this level can't rise differently at different places ... that's not how gravity works ... what we're observing is land subsidence, and this is verified by satellite altimeters ...

The term you want to Google is "Water seeks its own level" ... focus on the scientific meaning ... the more technical terminology is is found at Navier–Stokes equations - Wikipedia ...

If you want to find the first place that will be flooded, look at where ground water is being pumped out ... this is where land subsidence is greatest ... and keep in mind, the land is rising under Scandinavia and less so under the Canadian Arctic ... using tidal gauges, you'd swear sea levels were falling in these places ...

I'm sorry ... science isn't based on belief ... it's based on objective facts and logical processes ... belief is for religion ... try not to confuse the two ...

I don't think that you are fully understanding my point. The opening to the Bay of Fundy is very wide and it FUNNELS the tidal water as it comes in toward the Bay of Fundy as every high tide begins.

Something similar happens near Shanghai China, [if my memory does not fail me]. Just as the simple Geography of the Bay of Fundy funnels high tide waters into a more and more narrow area producing the world's number one most extreme tides in all the earth, a ten centimeter, [four inch], rise in average ocean levels worldwide should produce dramatically higher high tides along the Bay of Fundy, [especially from Truro, Nova Scotia to Moncton, New Brunswick where the most extreme tides are already being recorded.

One of the negatives of what I believe will happen is that the low lying top soil of the Isthmus of Chignecto will tend to liquify more and more as high tides rise even more and it will tend to wash that top soil into the Bay of Fundy. There is a plus side to all of this though because if rising ocean levels are NOT noticed along the Bay of Fundy then to my thinking it is because ocean levels have NOT significantly risen yet?

We could see a massive amount of cracking of ice bergs off the Land Based Greenland Ice Sheet and yet see little or no significant rise in ocean levels because for all that I know the massive amount of H2O being ADDED TO ANTARCTICA could simply negate what is happening to the ice on Greenland as more ice bergs flow into the North Atlantic?

All of us have a tendency to give ZERO credit to our debating opponent but I have to give Mr. Al Gore at least some credit for getting me interested in the general idea of rising ocean levels, once I saw his film "An Inconvenient Truth" several times.

"At a symposium of the Union of Geodesy and geophysics, Dr. Pyyotor Shoumsky reported that the south polar ice cap was growing at a minimum rate of 293 cubic miles of ice annually. To put that number in perspective, Lake Erie contains only 109 cubic miles of water. Thus, a volume of ice forms on top of the existing ice at Antarctica each year which is almost three times the volume of water in Lake Erie!" (Expanded Discussion of The HAB Theory, Gershom Gale, Expanded Discussion on the HAB Theory.)

"Let us consider Antarctica for a moment.
We have already seen that it is big. It has a land area of 5.5
million square miles, and is presently covered by something in excess
of seven million cubic miles of ice weighing an estimated 19
quadrillion tons (19 followed by 15 zeros). What worries the
theorists of earth-crust displacement is that this vast ice-cap is
remorselessly increasing in size and weight:'at the rate of 293 cubic
miles of ice each year--almost as much as if Lake Ontario were frozen
solidly annually and added to it.(Graham Hancock, Fingerprints of
the Gods, page 480).

Because of Mr. Al Gore I had the fun of making the following suggestions plus I ended up in contact with some very bright people all around the world.

Thread 'My 2007 submission for $25 million "Virgin Earth Challenge?"'

Nov 10, 2025

I have been told that my 2007 submission for the twenty five million dollar "Virgin Earth Challenge" was quite funny.

I have to plead guilty that that was one of my major objectives. I felt a duty at that time to get people to think outside of the little green, or red, or orange or blue political box that BigMedia seemed to be cramming all of us Canadians down into?

I believe that fairly good humour can be fairly serious all at the same time. That was indeed my objective. Do you think that this writing is both funny as well as basically serious or accurate?

"Today, Sir Richard...

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My 2007 submission for $25 million "Virgin Earth Challenge?"​

The key is the alternative theory on stabilization of the climate that New Mexico biologist and bicycling Coach Carl Cantrell wrote up.

Two effective methods to combat global warming and simultaneously fight rising ocean levels have been proposed by New Mexico biologist Carl Cantrell.

"So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breathe, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere.. ."

"Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes...."

"Just take a look at any satellite picture of the earth showing heat and you will see that our deserts are the warmest spots on the planet by far. More heat is being generated by just one of the top four or five deserts than by all of our cities combined.... "

"The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave…."

"So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive…."

"Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds…"

"We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell)."

 

[ReinyDays]

I don't think that you are fully understanding my point. The opening to the Bay of Fundy is very wide and it FUNNELS the tidal water as it comes in toward the Bay of Fundy as every high tide begins.

Something similar happens near Shanghai China, [if my memory does not fail me]. Just as the simple Geography of the Bay of Fundy funnels high tide waters into a more and more narrow area producing the world's number one most extreme tides in all the earth, a ten centimeter, [four inch], rise in average ocean levels worldwide should produce dramatically higher high tides along the Bay of Fundy, [especially from Truro, Nova Scotia to Moncton, New Brunswick where the most extreme tides are already being recorded.

One of the negatives of what I believe will happen is that the low lying top soil of the Isthmus of Chignecto will tend to liquify more and more as high tides rise even more and it will tend to wash that top soil into the Bay of Fundy. There is a plus side to all of this though because if rising ocean levels are NOT noticed along the Bay of Fundy then to my thinking it is because ocean levels have NOT significantly risen yet?

We could see a massive amount of cracking of ice bergs off the Land Based Greenland Ice Sheet and yet see little or no significant rise in ocean levels because for all that I know the massive amount of H2O being ADDED TO ANTARCTICA could simply negate what is happening to the ice on Greenland as more ice bergs flow into the North Atlantic?

All of us have a tendency to give ZERO credit to our debating opponent but I have to give Mr. Al Gore at least some credit for getting me interested in the general idea of rising ocean levels, once I saw his film "An Inconvenient Truth" several times.







Because of Mr. Al Gore I had the fun of making the following suggestions plus I ended up in contact with some very bright people all around the world.

Thread 'My 2007 submission for $25 million "Virgin Earth Challenge?"'

Nov 10, 2025

I have been told that my 2007 submission for the twenty five million dollar "Virgin Earth Challenge" was quite funny.

I have to plead guilty that that was one of my major objectives. I felt a duty at that time to get people to think outside of the little green, or red, or orange or blue political box that BigMedia seemed to be cramming all of us Canadians down into?

I believe that fairly good humour can be fairly serious all at the same time. That was indeed my objective. Do you think that this writing is both funny as well as basically serious or accurate?

"Today, Sir Richard...

• DennisPTate
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My 2007 submission for $25 million "Virgin Earth Challenge?"​

The key is the alternative theory on stabilization of the climate that New Mexico biologist and bicycling Coach Carl Cantrell wrote up.

[This post to be sung with the music "Tidal Wave" -- Ozark Mountain Daredevils ...

I understand your point quite well ... however, if mean sea level rises 4 inches, then the tides in the Bay of Fundy will be 4 inches higher ... if you think it will be higher, then please explain why ... there's nothing about the shape of the bay that resembled a funnel ... you need to explain that better ... the usual explanation for such high tides is geometry (including funneling) and harmonics ...

Tn = 4L / (gH)^1/2 [where tn=resonate period, L=length of bay, g= gravity, H=average depth]

Which works out to 12.5 hours, almost exactly the semi-diurnal lunar tide cycle 12.4 ... as the pressure wave from the high tide crest moves up the bay, it will ricochet off the back end and arrive at the entrance again at low tide ... and this is how the tidal levels are amplified ... like a tidal bore, just both ways ... sea level rise does nothing to change any of this ...

The Laws of Nature still require sea level rise to be equal all across the planet, no exceptions ... unless you believe carbon dioxide has the magical power to change gravity ...

 

[lg325]

It's natural . Geography of the planet is in constant change. Slow but constant change, how much humans affect the change is the question to be answered.

 

[DennisPTate]

[This post to be sung with the music "Tidal Wave" -- Ozark Mountain Daredevils ...

I understand your point quite well ... however, if mean sea level rises 4 inches, then the tides in the Bay of Fundy will be 4 inches higher ... if you think it will be higher, then please explain why ... there's nothing about the shape of the bay that resembled a funnel ... you need to explain that better ... the usual explanation for such high tides is geometry (including funneling) and harmonics ...

Tn = 4L / (gH)^1/2 [where tn=resonate period, L=length of bay, g= gravity, H=average depth]

Which works out to 12.5 hours, almost exactly the semi-diurnal lunar tide cycle 12.4 ... as the pressure wave from the high tide crest moves up the bay, it will ricochet off the back end and arrive at the entrance again at low tide ... and this is how the tidal levels are amplified ... like a tidal bore, just both ways ... sea level rise does nothing to change any of this ...

The Laws of Nature still require sea level rise to be equal all across the planet, no exceptions ... unless you believe carbon dioxide has the magical power to change gravity ...

But where I lived in Indian Harbour Lake Guysborough County, Nova Scotia, the difference from low tide to high tide was about one meter to one and a half meters. But then we have the massive differences in low tide vs high tide along the Bay of Fundy and it is very difficult to imagine that more water coming into the Bay of Fundy should Not produce relatively even higher high tide levels?

Frankly even if high tide was up only by inches that would make a massive difference to how fast the top soil on the Isthmus of Chignecto would liquify and begin to flow into the Bay of Fundy, [which would certainly have an impact on the fishermen and fisherwomen of that area!

The relative small difference between low tide to high tide in an area where Geography DOES NOT FUNNEL tidal waters very much is an extremely simple idea!

 

[ReinyDays]

But where I lived in Indian Harbour Lake Guysborough County, Nova Scotia, the difference from low tide to high tide was about one meter to one and a half meters. But then we have the massive differences in low tide vs high tide along the Bay of Fundy and it is very difficult to imagine that more water coming into the Bay of Fundy should Not produce relatively even higher high tide levels?

That is what I said ... if sea levels rise four inches, then high tide with be four inches higher ...

Frankly even if high tide was up only by inches that would make a massive difference to how fast the top soil on the Isthmus of Chignecto would liquify and begin to flow into the Bay of Fundy, [which would certainly have an impact on the fishermen and fisherwomen of that area!

The relative small difference between low tide to high tide in an area where Geography DOES NOT FUNNEL tidal waters very much is an extremely simple idea!

I'm looking at a map near Amherst ... are you saying Hwy 2 is only four inches above high tide? ... that's a symptom of a different problem, cheapskate tax-payers ...

Of all the things we could worry about .. you worry about Nova Scotia dissolving? ... is there any common sense behind this decision? ... where have you seen this "dissolving" effect ... and I hate to pop your bubble, but it's been over-fishing that destroyed the fishing industry, and nothing else ...

Global warming pushes valuable lobster into Nova Scotia waters ... you should be burning Alberta oil ...

 

[DennisPTate]

That is what I said ... if sea levels rise four inches, then high tide with be four inches higher ...



I'm looking at a map near Amherst ... are you saying Hwy 2 is only four inches above high tide? ... that's a symptom of a different problem, cheapskate tax-payers ...

Of all the things we could worry about .. you worry about Nova Scotia dissolving? ... is there any common sense behind this decision? ... where have you seen this "dissolving" effect ... and I hate to pop your bubble, but it's been over-fishing that destroyed the fishing industry, and nothing else ...

Global warming pushes valuable lobster into Nova Scotia waters ... you should be burning Alberta oil ...

What I am saying is that since part of the Bay of Fundy have Ten Times to Fifteen Timex a normal level of difference between low tide to high tide then the same funneling effect should logically take an average ocean level rise of, for example, four centimeters, and turn it into a rise in high tide levels along parts of the Bay of Fundy of forty centimeters or even more.

The good news is that this principle should mean that in the event of a lot of cracking and sliding of Ice Bergs off The land based Greenland Ice Sheet, or off the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, that is anchored below sea level, the rest of the world should get a warning which would give us a heads up to get going on turning deserts green.

 

[ReinyDays]

What I am saying is that since part of the Bay of Fundy have Ten Times to Fifteen Timex a normal level of difference between low tide to high tide then the same funneling effect should logically take an average ocean level rise of, for example, four centimeters, and turn it into a rise in high tide levels along parts of the Bay of Fundy of forty centimeters or even more.

The good news is that this principle should mean that in the event of a lot of cracking and sliding of Ice Bergs off The land based Greenland Ice Sheet, or off the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, that is anchored below sea level, the rest of the world should get a warning which would give us a heads up to get going on turning deserts green.

Why do you think tides in the Bay of Fundy are 15 times normal? ... according to science, they are normal ... these tides are a function of topography, not ocean level ... c.f. Tidal resonance - Wikipedia ... nothing is "amplified", no energy is added ...

 

[DennisPTate]

Why do you think tides in the Bay of Fundy are 15 times normal? ... according to science, they are normal ... these tides are a function of topography, not ocean level ... c.f. Tidal resonance - Wikipedia ... nothing is "amplified", no energy is added ...

Actually it is not that the water there is any different from ocean water anywhere else, it is simply that the geography of the Bay of Fundy FUNNELS the tidal water into a more and more and more narrow area which results in the world's most extreme tides. The number two most extreme tides on earth are in China, [if I remember correctly near Shanghai].

The Bay of Fundy has the world’s highest tides—up to 16 meters (52+ feet)—due to a combination of its funnel-like shape and a phenomenon called resonance (seiche). The Bay’s specific length and depth cause water to oscillate back and forth at a frequency that matches the Atlantic Ocean's tidal pulse, amplifying the tidal range.
eWikipedia +5
Key factors contributing to the extreme tides include:

• Resonance (Seiche): The Bay of Fundy acts like a bathtub. It takes about 6 hours and 13 minutes for water to travel to the end of the bay and back, which perfectly matches the 12-hour-and-26-minute interval between high tides. This resonance causes the water to "slosh" higher.
• Funnel Shape: The bay is V-shaped, becoming narrower and shallower toward its head. As the 110 billion tons of water flow in, the confined space forces the water to rise higher.
• Timing: The incoming tidal surge is reinforced because the reflected wave from the previous tide meets the incoming tide, amplifying the effect.

The tides are so dramatic that they create tidal bores (surging waves) in rivers and allow for walking on the ocean floor at low tide

If some catastrophic event were to cause the average level of the world's oceans to rise by one centimeter, I believe that there is a place along the BAy of Fundy where high tide would be up by sixteen centimeters. If a catastrophic tsunami were to hit the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and raise average ocean levels by one foot, then there is a place along the Bay of Fundy where the high tide levels would be up by around sixteen feet. The funneling effect and the RESONANCE factor should continue no matter what the world's average ocean level was.

 

[DennisPTate]

Oceans won't rise until Antarctica moves off South Pole.

We've got at least a 20 million year wait for that to happen.

I agree with the first sentence in your answer but not with sentence number two. I personally am concerned abut a significant magnetic polar shift in both Canada's Arctic but also perhaps at the South magnetic pole. Here is a related discussion that I believe you can add a lot to EMH:

Thread 'Trump eliminates Obama-era climate policies'

Feb 21, 2026

I believe that it was an extremely good thing that President Donald J. Trump has eliminated the "Obama- Era Climate Policies."

I personally believe that the Obama-Era Climate Policies were intellectually dishonest and basically set up the theme for the Bill Gates lecture "Innovating to zero" that was one of the worst ideas that I have ever heard elaborated on in a major political lecture by a famous and influential person during my sixty six years.

I have reason to believe that Mr. Al Gore's film "An Inconvenient Truth" was intellectually dishonest. Mr. Al Gore left us with the...

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[EMH]

I agree with the first sentence in your answer but not with sentence number two. I personally am concerned abut a significant magnetic polar shift in both Canada's Arctic but also perhaps at the South magnetic pole. Here is a related discussion that I believe you can add a lot to EMH:

Thread 'Trump eliminates Obama-era climate policies'

Feb 21, 2026

I believe that it was an extremely good thing that President Donald J. Trump has eliminated the "Obama- Era Climate Policies."

I personally believe that the Obama-Era Climate Policies were intellectually dishonest and basically set up the theme for the Bill Gates lecture "Innovating to zero" that was one of the worst ideas that I have ever heard elaborated on in a major political lecture by a famous and influential person during my sixty six years.

I have reason to believe that Mr. Al Gore's film "An Inconvenient Truth" was intellectually dishonest. Mr. Al Gore left us with the...

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The poles flip periodically. The ions on the ocean bottom are the evidence of it.

I don't see how flipping Earth's magnetic field would change the climate at all.

 

[DennisPTate]

The poles flip periodically. The ions on the ocean bottom are the evidence of it.

I don't see how flipping Earth's magnetic field would change the climate at all.

But wouldn't the melting of whatever polar ice was closer to the equator after the polar flip cause ocean levels to rise?

Would not this melting of polar ice not cause atmospheric levels of H2O to increase as well?

 

[EMH]

But wouldn't the melting of whatever polar ice was closer to the equator after the polar flip cause ocean levels to rise?

Would not this melting of polar ice not cause atmospheric levels of H2O to increase as well?

The planet does not flip, the magnetic field does.

Don't see that causing any ice melt at all, no heat involved.

 

[Captain Caveman]

Am I wrong to believe that rising ocean levels will happen first and foremost along the Bay of Fundy between the Canadian provinces of New Brunswick and Nova Scotia and the USA State of Maine?


"Physics question related to the geography of the Bay of Fundy?"

"If average ocean levels were to rise by ten centimeters.... .would
the multiplier effect of the geography of the Bay of Fundy continue?

The fact that the Bay of Fundy funnels tidal waters plus......
it is over 170 miles long, (274 kms), it produces high tide level that are tenX to fifteenX over the difference in tidal waters where I live.

So... could high tide levels near TRuro, N. S. to Moncton, N. B. be up by a meter or more if average ocean levels were to rise by ten centimeters?" [Dennis Tate, March 7, 2021]

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1888337987911

When could Nova Scotia become an island?

 

[DennisPTate]

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Wow!

Now that is a truly fascinating answer.

In a way Mr. Al Gore's professor who gave him the background information that became the film "An Inconvenient Truth" may have been a member of a truly "Elite" group of thinkers who wished to link the price and supply of oil to the fiat currencies of the world leading economies.

A "Carbon Tax" does accomplish exactly that but it also temporarily decreases demand for oil products which could lead to relative stability for the price and supply of oil for UP TO A THOUSAND YEARS OR SO!!!!!!!!!

If my memory is not failing me I am pretty sure that I heard about that detail in a documentary :

Thread '"Why Big Oil Conquered the World"'

Jan 3, 2026

In my opinion this is an excellent documentary to fill in many of the important gaps in why this world works the way that it does.

This is a bit depressing but we need to understand the background if we are going to have a better future.

Something to note is that this documentary goes into detail on how one of Mr. Al Gore's professors belonged to a group that wanted to link the price and supply of oil to the fiat currencies of t he biggest economies. A Carbon Tax actually accomplishes exactly that but is wise "marketing" because a Carbon Tax APPEARS to go against the goals of BigOil...

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