The dirty little truth about socialists

[Votto]

Many here are cheering on the notion of cities beginning to fail under the weight of their openly socialist mayors, with the thought that as they fail in various ways, people will opt to remove them. However, that is not how it works. The way it works is, the worse the government and society become, the more the socialists point to the fact that their system is not socialist enough as the cause of your suffering. In that regard, they feed off of failure. As things become increasingly unaffordable and miserable, their appeal increases.

This is why I think democrats fomented higher inflation under Joe Biden, at a rate never seen before in American history. It was to destroy people economically so that they would all lean towards socialism. And even though inflation has come back down under Trump, to levels that existed during his first term, the damage has been done as many can no longer afford to live.

You might even say that being a socialist is pretty damn simple in that regard, because it is far easier to destroy things than to create things. Really, their only task is destruction, as they dangle the carrot of fixing it with taking over everything within a given society, including all your freedoms.

But that is the appeal of socialism, everything is free except you.

So, the next time you see socialists advocating an insane fiscal policy, or wanting to release criminals out on the streets, or advocate open borders, just remember, they only task in life is your destruction.

 

[toobfreak]

Many here are cheering on the notion of cities beginning to fail under the weight of their openly socialist mayors, with the thought that as they fail in various ways, people will opt to remove them. However, that is not how it works. The way it works is, the worse the government and society become, the more the socialists point to the fact that their system is not socialist enough as the cause of your suffering. In that regard, they feed off of failure. As things become increasingly unaffordable and miserable, their appeal increases.

A guy by the name of Tytler described the process long ago and invented his "Tytler Cycle" loop. Here is a version of it I drew myself a few years ago:

We are at about 10 o'clock now.

 

[EMH]

The Fox News crowd started to notice "socialism" on 1/21/2009


Before that they cheered it for 8 years and hence have ZERO credibility claiming they oppose it.

When W was trying to socialize senior drugs (at a RETAIL price to the taxpayer, no bulk discount at all), there was a problem. The actuary who did the cost estimate found the cost way higher than what W was telling Congress. True to the form of all traitors, liars, socialists/fascists, W had the actuary threatened to "shut up or else" to deceive the Congress into socializing senior drugs. And the OP describes W as "conservative..." and THAT is the #1 problem of the GOP today, too many "faux conservatives" who actually pop a lot of free Pfizer pills that their "conservative" hero W socialized.

Inquiry Confirms Top Medicare Official Threatened Actuary Over Cost of Drug Benefits (Published 2004)

Health and Human Services Department internal investigation confirms that then-Admr Thomas A Scully threatened to fire Medicare chief actuary Richard S Foster if he told Congress that drug benefit legislation would likely cost up to $600 billion over ten years, far more than White House figure...

www.nytimes.com

If the OP had opposed socialism, he would have opposed W. He didn't. He still loves W, the worst traitor in American history.

 

[Votto]

The Fox News crowd started to notice "socialism" on 1/21/2009


Before that they cheered it for 8 years and hence have ZERO credibility claiming they oppose it.

When W was trying to socialize senior drugs (at a RETAIL price to the taxpayer, no bulk discount at all), there was a problem. The actuary who did the cost estimate found the cost way higher than what W was telling Congress. True to the form of all traitors, liars, socialists/fascists, W had the actuary threatened to "shut up or else" to deceive the Congress into socializing senior drugs. And the OP describes W as "conservative..." and THAT is the #1 problem of the GOP today, too many "faux conservatives" who actually pop a lot of free Pfizer pills that their "conservative" hero W socialized.

Inquiry Confirms Top Medicare Official Threatened Actuary Over Cost of Drug Benefits (Published 2004)

Health and Human Services Department internal investigation confirms that then-Admr Thomas A Scully threatened to fire Medicare chief actuary Richard S Foster if he told Congress that drug benefit legislation would likely cost up to $600 billion over ten years, far more than White House figure...

www.nytimes.com

If the OP had opposed socialism, he would have opposed W. He didn't. He still loves W, the worst traitor in American history.

I do not still love "W".

You are correct, "W" was a democrat on acid.

It is one of those things as you ask yourself, who do I vote for? Do I vote for "W" or Al Gore?

It's like trying to choose between being hanged to death or shot to death. There is no correct answer, is there.

 

[toobfreak]

You are correct, "W" was a democrat on acid.
It is one of those things as you ask yourself, who do I vote for? Do I vote for "W" or Al Gore?
It's like trying to choose between being hanged to death or shot to death. There is no correct answer, is there.

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But...but, Votto! Any TRUE conservative will tell you that folks like W, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Bob Dole--- these are your REAL Republicans! Trump is a fake! He is not a real republican, he is a populist!

I guess real republicans are a bunch of drippy, suck-ass losers.

 

[Votto]

But...but, Votto! Any TRUE conservative will tell you that folks like W, John McCain, Mitt Romney, Bob Dole--- these are your REAL Republicans! Trump is a fake! He is not a real republican, he is a populist!

I guess real republicans are a bunch of drippy, suck-ass losers.

The game is, whoever opposes the DNC at this point and time in history, becomes the devil. It really matters little who it is or what they stand for, even if they are very similar to the democrat running.

That is the game.

It's a stupid game, but people are stupid in large part.

But to be fair to voters, they are not given much a choice pretty much every election cycle

As Trump once said, "It's all rigged!"

No truer word spoken

 

[berg80]

The way it works is, the worse the government and society become, the more the socialists point to the fact that their system is not socialist enough as the cause of your suffering. In that regard, they feed off of failure. As things become increasingly unaffordable and miserable, their appeal increases.

Does it work that way with authoritarians too?

Americans are losing spending power, say researchers: Most can no longer afford a 'minimal quality of life'

The Ludwig Institute's Minimal Quality of Life Index found that, in 2023, only 40% of Americans earned enough money to get by in relative comfort.

www.cnbc.com

Is trump's plan to increase unaffordability to increase the appeal of an autocrat?

 

[Votto]

Does it work that way with authoritarians too?

Americans are losing spending power, say researchers: Most can no longer afford a 'minimal quality of life'

The Ludwig Institute's Minimal Quality of Life Index found that, in 2023, only 40% of Americans earned enough money to get by in relative comfort.

www.cnbc.com

Is trump's plan to increase unaffordability to increase the appeal of an autocrat?

Of course.

There is a reason why most horrific despots in history, if not all, were Marxists.

Even the Nazi regime were National Socialists.

It is not that they are ideologically pure Marxist, rather, it is just that for Marxism to even have a chance to work, it requires a centralized government with complete control over every aspect of your existence. That is the appeal of the Left for despots.

Then they can pick and choose violating certain tenants of Marxism to their liking, as future Marxists will say, "It can work if they follow it correctly this time!!"

 

[toobfreak]

The game is, whoever opposes the DNC at this point and time in history, becomes the devil. It really matters little who it is or what they stand for. That is the game. It's a stupid game, but people are stupid in large part.

FACT. I thought the very same thing just the other day.

I asked myself, what would be democrat's position on Trump had he done all the same things in 2016 as Biden did between 2021 to 2024?

1. If Trump had let in millions over the border, they would have called him a hypocrite and a globalist.
2. Had Trump donated 600 billion to Ukraine promising no limit, no end in sight, their war was our war till the end of time, they would have called Trump a war monger and budget buster, not caring about his fellow American.
3. Can you imagine what they would have said had Trump had naked people having drug parties at the White House? His son smoking crack while taking videos with under age children? Groping little kids? His family involved in a crime ring so vast and deep that he had to give himself and his entire family a get out of jail free pardon?

Is there any position on any issue Trump could take today that the DNC and Left would actually like? Soon as one realizes the answer is no, you realize that all of the media angst against Trump has NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS POLICIES, all the democrats care about is power.

 

[JoeB131]

Of course.

There is a reason why most horrific despots in history, if not all, were Marxists.

Even the Nazi regime were National Socialists.

Actually, no, they weren't.

Including the word "Socialist" in the NSDAP was a marketing ploy, because half the political parties claimed to be "Nationalist" and half of them claimed to be "Socialist".

As an aside, Hitler hated the name change.

 

[Darkwind]

Actually, no, they weren't.

Including the word "Socialist" in the NSDAP was a marketing ploy, because half the political parties claimed to be "Nationalist" and half of them claimed to be "Socialist".

As an aside, Hitler hated the name change.

Because he told you as you were there for an assignment to a gulag?

 

[JoeB131]

FACT. I thought the very same thing just the other day.

I asked myself, what would be democrat's position on Trump had he done all the same things in 2016 as Biden did between 2021 to 2024?

1. If Trump had let in millions over the border, they would have called him a hypocrite and a globalist.
2. Had Trump donated 600 billion to Ukraine promising no limit, no end in sight, their war was our war till the end of time, they would have called Trump a war monger and budget buster, not caring about his fellow American.

Millions did enter under Trump's first term.

Our contribution to Ukraine is nowhere near 600 Billion. It was 182 Billion, which had widespread bipartisan support.

Can you imagine what they would have said had Trump had naked people having drug parties at the White House? His son smoking crack while taking videos with under age children? Groping little kids? His family involved in a crime ring so vast and deep that he had to give himself and his entire family a get out of jail free pardon?

There were naked people and drug parties at the White House? Really? Wow, they did a good job covering that one up.

Is there any position on any issue Trump could take today that the DNC and Left would actually like? Soon as one realizes the answer is no, you realize that all of the media angst against Trump has NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS POLICIES, all the democrats care about is power.

Actually it has a lot to do with his policies.
And his corruption
and his utter unfitness for office
And the fact that he sows divisions
And he's an utter shit human being.

The better question is, why do Republicans support him when he undermines their every principle?

Family Values types are supporting a guy who cheated on all three of his wives AND fucked porn stars.

National Security types are cuddling up to Putin and disrespecting our military.

Fiscal Conservatives are rationalizing 10 trillion in new Debt (A quarter of the US Debt was run up by Trump!)

 

[ColonelAngus]

FACT. I thought the very same thing just the other day.

I asked myself, what would be democrat's position on Trump had he done all the same things in 2016 as Biden did between 2021 to 2024?

1. If Trump had let in millions over the border, they would have called him a hypocrite and a globalist.
2. Had Trump donated 600 billion to Ukraine promising no limit, no end in sight, their war was our war till the end of time, they would have called Trump a war monger and budget buster, not caring about his fellow American.
3. Can you imagine what they would have said had Trump had naked people having drug parties at the White House? His son smoking crack while taking videos with under age children? Groping little kids? His family involved in a crime ring so vast and deep that he had to give himself and his entire family a get out of jail free pardon?

Is there any position on any issue Trump could take today that the DNC and Left would actually like? Soon as one realizes the answer is no, you realize that all of the media angst against Trump has NOTHING TO DO WITH HIS POLICIES, all the democrats care about is power.

Exactly.

I have asked this question repeatedly on this site.

What could Trump have done or do that would make lefties say, “THAT WAS A GOOD THING TRUMP DID.”

They will not do it. They are brainwashed parrots.

ORANGE MAN BAD.

I really find it amusing when these dumb ***** claim he is HITLER and also a PUPPET OF JEWS.

 

[JoeB131]

Exactly.

I have asked this question repeatedly on this site.

What could Trump have done or do that would make lefties say, “THAT WAS A GOOD THING TRUMP DID.”

They will not do it. They are brainwashed parrots.

ORANGE MAN BAD.

I really find it amusing when these dumb ***** claim he is HITLER and also a PUPPET OF JEWS.

The Jews have become the Nazis, like an abused child who grew up to be an abuser, but that's not really the topic.

If you want an example of someone being against something because they hate the man, look no further than ObamaCare.

You guys were all for the Beta Version, RomneyCare.

But when the Black Guy Did It, you guys absolutely lost your shit, even though it was the kind of private sector initiative you said you always wanted.

 

[toobfreak]

Exactly. I have asked this question repeatedly on this site.
What could Trump have done or do that would make lefties say, “THAT WAS A GOOD THING TRUMP DID.”

I've seen many threads where people ask democrats that question and you either get a non-serious smarmy answer or no answer at all.

Time and again people like Joe Leno ask young democrat street people questions and every time they phrase the question about Trump but saying something their democrat did, they are against it. And if asked about something Trump did saying a democrat did it, they are for it.

I've lost count the number of times here that a leftist has pointed out that Trump was a democrat for years! Then when he ran in 2015, they were against him. Because he was in the GOP party.

Its the party, not the position. 95% of the time, the stuff they accuse Trump of as vile and horrible, is stuff their guy did himself, first, or far worse.

The idiots are shooting at ICE agents, meantime, Obumma deported more and they never once complained about a single deportation the 12 years between Bammy and Biden.

 

[Hafar1014]

Actually, no, they weren't.

Including the word "Socialist" in the NSDAP was a marketing ploy, because half the political parties claimed to be "Nationalist" and half of them claimed to be "Socialist".

As an aside, Hitler hated the name change.

The NAZIs were ardent socialists and had many of the same policies progressives have today.

 

[Darkwind]

I've seen many threads where people ask democrats that question and you either get a non-serious smarmy answer or no answer at all.

Time and again people like Joe Leno ask young democrat street people questions and every time they phrase the question about Trump but saying something their democrat did, they are against it. And if asked about something Trump did saying a democrat did it, they are for it.

I've lost count the number of times here that a leftist has pointed out that Trump was a democrat for years! Then when he ran in 2015, they were against him. Because he was in the GOP party.

Its the party, not the position. 95% of the time, the stuff they accuse Trump of as vile and horrible, is stuff their guy did himself, first, or far worse.

The idiots are shooting at ICE agents, meantime, Obumma deported more and they never once complained about a single deportation the 12 years between Bammy and Biden.

They are shooting, throwing lethal weapons, and punching and shoving, and then look surprised and whine like the little bitches they are when they get arrested for it and claim it is "Authoritarianism."

Meanwhile, if law enforcement were tossing around the same thing to conservatives, they'd have public displays of orgasms.

 

[berg80]

Of course.

So..........is trump's plan to increase unaffordability in order to increase the appeal of himself, an autocrat who wants the absolute power to rule?

 

[toobfreak]

They are shooting, throwing lethal weapons, and punching and shoving, and then look surprised and whine like the little bitches they are when they get arrested for it and claim it is "Authoritarianism."

Consider that this is exactly the result you'd get if you let your children (or dogs) take over the house and get away with murder.

Meanwhile, if law enforcement were tossing around the same thing to conservatives, they'd have public displays of orgasms.

J6.

 

[JoeB131]

The NAZIs were ardent socialists and had many of the same policies progressives have today.

Yeah, they were ardent socialists who let the big corporations in Germany do whatever the hell they wanted and enriched them

"Socialist" has a meaning. It's not "Everything MAGA's barely educated asses don't like".