The difference between a Conservative and a liberal is

[Iceweasel]

Also the conservatives will preach that women shouldn't be trusted with the choice of abortion and this should be banned by law. But people should have the freedom to own and use guns, and find "other ways to police the abuses" INSTEAD of government imposing bans or limits.

No one is suggesting trigger locks for vaginas. It's two very different issues.

The conservatives want corporations and businesses to have freedom from govt regulations, and reject financial responsibility for fraud or abuses, or pollution of the environment which are just the cost of doing business.

but then complain about liberals wanting "rights without responsibilities" and freedom while dumping the consequences on other people to pay for.

Huh?

Of the conservatives who argue in defense of Christians being discriminated against for their faith, how many will stand up for religious freedom of Muslims? How many conservatives have pushed to ban mosques and preach against Muslims as opening the door to terrorism and shariah law. Where is the religious freedom and constitutional equality for Muslims
not to be treated as a criminal before proven guilty of crimes by "due process" when it comes to other faiths like Islam?

Muslims are being treated like criminals?

Every group has its strong points, and has its Achilles heel where their same arguments come back and bite them in the butt.

It's almost funny if it weren't so tragic in killing the spirit of America
with this backbiting going on. http://www.houstonprogressive.org

A progressive website, that explains it. Rambling nonsense smearing their enemies with slander, lies and misinformation.

 

[healthmyths]

The Great Depression and the Bush Depression are unassailable proof of the failure of Pure Capitalism, Capitalism as it exists today and as it existed in the past.

My God you are thick. Purity is a religious concept. There is no such thing as a pure economic system since its' operated by humans and they fall short of purity no matter which system is embraced.

The recession hit when Bush was in office but if you were right, we would have climbed out of it long ago since we've spent many more trillions. So clearly other factors were/are at play.

Pure Capitalism has one purpose only, to generate profits for its shareholders. As the Right has repeatedly pointed out, Capitalism has no social responsibility to create jobs, for example. That is exactly what we have now and exactly what we have always had that habitually produced economic panics, recessions and depressions throughout its entire history.

Democratic Capitalism recognizes that jobs are essential for a growing economy and the health of the corporation because the people with jobs are the ones who purchase the goods and services that create wealth.

Well you are right i.e. capitalism has one purpose.. profits. Without profits the corporation will NOT exist.
Now please don't be so stupid as to say well non-profits exist! ONLY because for profits pay taxes or buy goods sold cheaper because they don't have to pay taxes!

So yes capitalism depends on businesses/corporations making profits.

Now you speak of "social responsibility"?
Think clearly for a minute.
If a shareholder doesn't believe the corporation is acting socially responsible.. SELL THEIR F..king stock!
If a private sole proprietorship doesn't believe in social responsibility.. THEN DON"T buy his goods or services!
That's how markets work and that's how the social responsibility it met!

This crap about the government the ONLY one that can do that is a LIE.
People don't have to buy a product i.e. cigarettes if they are socially responsible!
Are there guns to people's heads forcing them to buy goods or services from "socially irresponsible" businesses?
NO!
The problem is most people have become so dependent on the govt. to "protect" them that frankly the squeakiest wheel gets the attention!
So that's what the govt. does... pays attention to the squeakiest wheel rather than acting logically and doing what is best for the MOST!
Case in point...
Check out this web site: Wasteful Spending List | Congressman Bill Posey :: Representing the 8th District of Florida

-$ 100 million on a harbor and airport with no boats, no airplanes, no roads and almost no people is a waste for taxpayers. Squeakiest wheels!

Now if left to a capitalist first question is where will we make back the $100 million on a harbor & airport ???

$1.44 million in federal funds estimating the size of the population and examining the “social milieu” of male prostitutes in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam.

Really now WHY are OUR taxes used for this above crap?
Again social responsibility???
PLEASE!!!

 

[Billy000]

People have to be judged on an individual level. This lazy, narrow minded generalizing you do, Healthmyths, is so short sighted. You will find plenty of hypocritical, dumb, selfish, lazy people on both ends of the spectrum. To assume that all cons give a shit about whether or not others know "how to fish " is complete non sense.

 

[Wyatt earp]

What the ****?? Guns are used for the most part for hutting/food, self defense a women spreading her legs is just used for pleasure. Apples and oranges

 

[Wyatt earp]

People have to be judged on an individual level. This lazy, narrow minded generalizing you do, Healthmyths, is so short sighted. You will find plenty of hypocritical, dumb, selfish, lazy people on both ends of the spectrum. To assume that all cons give a shit about whether or not others know "how to fish " is complete non sense.

And that's why you hate that saying. Heck I am a Chicago guy who lived in SC for over 5 year's in south Carolina and I never caughtb shit out of lake Hartwell

Don't knock something you don't know hunting and fishing for food is something you have to learn to survive

 

[Billy000]

People have to be judged on an individual level. This lazy, narrow minded generalizing you do, Healthmyths, is so short sighted. You will find plenty of hypocritical, dumb, selfish, lazy people on both ends of the spectrum. To assume that all cons give a shit about whether or not others know "how to fish " is complete non sense.

And that's why you hate that saying. Heck I am a Chicago guy who lived in SC for over 5 year's in south Carolina and I never caughtb shit out of lake Hartwell

Don't knock something you don't know hunting and fishing for food is something you have to learn to survive

You do realize of course that he is using a metaphor right? He is referencing self sufficiency in general.

 

[hazlnut]

The liberal sees a hungry person and gives a fish thus feeding the hungry person for just one day.

The conservative teaches the hungry person how to fish thereby feeding the person for a life time.

Your premise is incorrect and false.

Both liberal and conservative support "teaching" men to fish and care for themselves.

The conservative wants to charge them for the fishing lessons, the rental pole, and wants to cut their bait allowance.

Both conservatives and liberals want to make life easier on commercial fishing operations via tax subsidies.

Both conservatives and liberal know that the commercial fishing operation need some level of regulation is needed. Liberals believe that's it's better to over regulate. Conservatives believes the less regulation is prudent and trusts the mindless business entity called corporation to act morally.


Conservatives also want to regulate personal choices on health care and marriage partner.

The liberal wants to protect every animal, even at the expense of man.

On scientific issues, conservatives are more willing to listen to corporate funded spokesmen than real scientists. Some conservatives even believe the stories in Jewish bible, that the Jews know are myths and part of their culture and oral tradition-- but not meant to be taken literally.

 

[eagle7_31]

Morals

Given the hate expressed by you and most other conservatives toward black, Hispanic, and gay Americans, as well as immigrants, conservatives clearly are in no position to claim a ‘monopoly’ on morality.

We have no problems with Justice Thomas, Herman Cain, Sen Tm Scott etc. and they are most certainly black.

 

[Faun]

Morals

Given the hate expressed by you and most other conservatives toward black, Hispanic, and gay Americans, as well as immigrants, conservatives clearly are in no position to claim a ‘monopoly’ on morality.

We have no problems with Justice Thomas, Herman Cain, Sen Tm Scott etc. and they are most certainly black.

What do you mean by, "we?" Thomas was nominated by 1 Republican and confirmed by a Democrat-led Congress and Cain was rejected by Republicans in favor of Romney. The only name you mention where "we" could apply would be Scott, and even "we" with Scott is pushing it as he won his district I South Carolina with just 9000 votes.

 

[History]

What I'm saying is, go out and buy your own healthcare like an Adult rather than ask the golden goose to supply it for you. You have a right to life, you make choices every day of your life. Tax payers shouldn't be penalized for your bad decision making, it's called learning from mistakes..

If you pay people a living wage then they can afford to purchase their own healthcare. But greedy conservatives are opposed to paying living wages so your premise that they must buy their own healthcare rebounds on you because you refuse to pay the golden goose enough to buy it's own health insurance.

That's the beautiful thing about Capitalism, people who work hard and strive to succeed will succeed with some effort, and by effort, that means you get your lazy ass off the couch and do something about it.
Didn't Charles Darwin talk about Survival of the Fittest??

 

[healthmyths]

The liberal sees a hungry person and gives a fish thus feeding the hungry person for just one day.

The conservative teaches the hungry person how to fish thereby feeding the person for a life time.

Your premise is incorrect and false.

Both liberal and conservative support "teaching" men to fish and care for themselves.

The conservative wants to charge them for the fishing lessons, the rental pole, and wants to cut their bait allowance.

Both conservatives and liberals want to make life easier on commercial fishing operations via tax subsidies.

Both conservatives and liberal know that the commercial fishing operation need some level of regulation is needed. Liberals believe that's it's better to over regulate. Conservatives believes the less regulation is prudent and trusts the mindless business entity called corporation to act morally.


Conservatives also want to regulate personal choices on health care and marriage partner.

The liberal wants to protect every animal, even at the expense of man.

On scientific issues, conservatives are more willing to listen to corporate funded spokesmen than real scientists. Some conservatives even believe the stories in Jewish bible, that the Jews know are myths and part of their culture and oral tradition-- but not meant to be taken literally.

In light of this statement" regulate personal choices on health care and marriage partner."
What the hell is ACA other then regulating personal choices on healthcare?

A) 10 million people counted in the phony 46 million are NOT legal citizens ACCORDING to Obama! Yet he stupidly still counts them as part of the 46 million "uninsured"!
B) 14 million people counted by Census as "uninsured" and used in the 46 million number WERE ELIGIBLE for Medicaid BEFORE ACA! So why weren't they enrolled if not
for the inefficiency of Medicare the first time? These 14 million MEET the poverty level and the Census knows that but never subtracted this from the 46 million!
C) 18 million WANT the freedom of personal choice that you said conservatives wanted to regulate! GEEZ the principle behind freedom of choice for these 18 million is
They are under 34 ("the invincibles" ) ACA is counting on paying in though they don't WANT to as they could join their employers' plans as they make over $50,000 a year!

You add these 3 groups up and subtract from 46 million and you find THERE ARE 4 million that truly want and need coverage! But ACA is adding now through cancelled employers' plans to that number! PHONY number was used to pass ACA and in the process is NOW destroying our health care payment system!

But most idiots like YOU totally ignore the gigantic cost driver in the room!
90% of the experts and people that create this $850 billion a year health care costs STATE: IT IS NOT NECESSARY EXPENSE!
What is it that 90% of the experts (doctors) identify as $850 billion a year waste? Defensive medicine! Ordering duplicate tests, all out of fear of being SUED!
YOU don't believe me? CHECK THIS LINK OUT and for once in your lifetime UNDERSTAND the implication of it!!!

90% of physicians say they order $850 billion a year in wasted duplicate tests, referrals all out of FEAR of being SUED!
Physicians estimate the cost of defensive medicine in US at $650 to $850 billion per year
Health News Observer ? Physicians Estimate The Cost Of Defensive Medicine In Us At 650 To 850 Bill Articles

Please I really strongly encourage you to visit this link and comprehend that the entire ACA debacle could be solved in ONE piece of legislation while ACA is repealed!

Step 1.
A 10% Tax the $270 billion lawyers make (just as ACA taxes 10% on tanning salons as they cause cancer!!) would pay a $5,000 premium for each of the truly 4 million uninsured!
Step 2.
Repeal the 1986 EMTALA that requires hospitals if they take medicare payments must see the uninsured and REPLACE it with requiring Hospitals that see the uninsured means test
the uninsured to make sure they can't afford or get health insurance AND THEN Register the uninsured with the "Uninsured Health Ins. Co.©. Then send claims to UHIC!
Step 3.
Audit hospitals to make sure they aren't "padding and passing" on as some hospitals have billed Medicare $3,000 for a service that cost $60! A 6,000% markup!

Once those 3 steps are in place WATCH How dramatically insurance premiums DROP! Today 80% of every $1 in premium goes out in claim payments!
Once the two major cost drivers are reduced premiums reduce. Premiums reduce MORE and more people will afford to pay of those 18 million for example! But the market takes
care of that!!!

 

[Dr Grump]

Didn't Charles Darwin talk about Survival of the Fittest??

He did. And it works in countries like Somalia, Libya, Congo, Angola - I could go on, but you get the point...

 

[History]

Didn't Charles Darwin talk about Survival of the Fittest??

He did. And it works in countries like Somalia, Libya, Congo, Angola - I could go on, but you get the point...

But what countries like that lack:

Education
Family Values
Constitution
Republic
Law and Order
and I could go on, Shall I

 

[Dr Grump]

Didn't Charles Darwin talk about Survival of the Fittest??

He did. And it works in countries like Somalia, Libya, Congo, Angola - I could go on, but you get the point...

But what countries like that lack:

Education
Family Values
Constitution
Republic
Law and Order
and I could go on, Shall I

And if you carry on with how you think the world should be run, you'll end up like those countries...

 

[healthmyths]

Given the hate expressed by you and most other conservatives toward black, Hispanic, and gay Americans, as well as immigrants, conservatives clearly are in no position to claim a ‘monopoly’ on morality.

We have no problems with Justice Thomas, Herman Cain, Sen Tm Scott etc. and they are most certainly black.

What do you mean by, "we?" Thomas was nominated by 1 Republican and confirmed by a Democrat-led Congress and Cain was rejected by Republicans in favor of Romney. The only name you mention where "we" could apply would be Scott, and even "we" with Scott is pushing it as he won his district I South Carolina with just 9000 votes.

Who rejected a decorated military veteran?
Who rejected a seated congressman?
Who by the way as Obama frequently would say Obama said this in June 2008...
"...And did I mention he’s black?
Obama at Florida fund-raiser says GOP will go after him because he is black. Pool report. - Lynn Sweet

Allen West? The Democrats in his district rejected this black military veteran!

 

[Agit8r]

The liberal sees a hungry person and gives a fish thus feeding the hungry person for just one day.

The conservative teaches the hungry person how to fish thereby feeding the person for a life time.

I applaud the liberal for compassion to feed the hungry person.. but in doing so all the liberal has done is made the hungry person dependent on the liberal for more fish!

Where as the compassionate conservative wants the hungry person to be able to fish thereby feeding for a lifetime.

This would be a plausible argument if y'all were for public education

 

[Agit8r]

That's the beautiful thing about Capitalism, people who work hard and strive to succeed will succeed with some effort, and by effort, that means you get your lazy ass off the couch and do something about it.
Didn't Charles Darwin talk about Survival of the Fittest??

Not in civil society. I think you are thinking of someone else:

Godwin's Law Review: Might Makes Right

 

[Ame®icano]

The term "surrender monkey", when popular, was usually used in connection with The French who caved in to Hitler without much push back. Also popular at the time - the post-war surplus sales of French army rifles. Never fired; only dropped once.

Now here was our New Messiah feasting THE FRENCH PRESIDENT on lobster tails your tax money bought for the occasion and, sans doubt, picking up a few tips.

Now how do you feel about THAT?

The French were US allies during the first Gulf War.

The French were also US allies during the invasion of Afghanistan

French took the lead when it came to bringing down the Libyan regime of Ghadaffi.

Now how do you feel about THAT?

Yeah, you're right.

They also think they won WWI and WWII single handedly.

But let's not go that far, last November they blocked nuclear deal with Iran supported by all other EU partners. Something similar that president Jacques Chirac did a decade ago to Bush. They're playing us like a little monkeys, and when they're not, they just back stub us... and not just us.

But this is not a topic, so I'll stop.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Conservatives like to conserve the status quo - no Civil liberties, no gay marriage, no abortion. That is the only meaning of conservative.

If one is mentally retarded - which you are.

So are all the conservation boards in the US full of Conservatives? Really? Aren't you guys always banging on about getting rid of the EPA? So now you're a fan? Cool

I like cash but not at the expense of ******* up everything else, Moron.

You like cash, especially when you can take it from your neighbors pocket.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Whoops my bad. Just saw when you arrived and how many posts. See the line under my name.

laters

For truth in advertising reasons, shouldn't the line under your name be changed to "******* retard"?