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Sooo....you're a government school grad, huh?


Let's try again....


“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.







Now...if you are serious about gaining the education that government school deprived you of....begin reading

"The Birth of the Administrative State: Where It Came From and What It Means for Limited Government"
The Birth of the Administrative State: Where It Came From and What It Means for Limited Government
There isn't a such thing as "government school" - the Founders themselves came from "government" schools by that definition, given that they were originally British citizens under a monarchy, I believe their schools were funded by the "state", not entirely privately funded (which is a false dictomy anyway - since private schools are eligible to receive public funding, and vice versa with government schools).

America was intended to be "free" in terms of its enumerated rights, not an anarchy or "direct democracy", which seems to be what you're advocating; citizens are still subordinate to the Common Law or state law (which affects them in day to day life moreso than the federal government does anyway) - in an anarchy, there would be no "rights" anyway nor any means of enforcing them, at least none in practice, even if in theory. So yes, representatives were mean to have some margin of "power" over the average person, at least within the limits and constraints of the law and morality - people who are corrupt being in positions of power is as old as human nature - it doesn't not prove a "deep state" conspiracy, or anything that at odds with human nature, no.

So no, most of what you imagine your rights to be are fictional, or faith-based sentiments, not in the Constitution, nor the law, nor common sense - or how the law actually works in practice, as opposed to ignorant theory.

If you want "freedom" of that variety, you'll have to go take it by force, and best of luck to you on that. You probably don't even know your states' law, or the domain of power it has over you in day-to-day life, but merely take it for granted.

"There isn't a such thing as "government school"

And yet you just proved you are a victim thereof.


Nope, and I'd venture that given how low the level of education is, that "school grads" who don't do any additional reading or learning on their own won't know much of anything one way or another.


You'd like to compare educational resumes?
No, but most of my learning is from reading on my own, not merely from "government school", and a high school education, whether "government" or private is not much of anything anyway compared to advanced learners.


So you don't wish to see which of us has the greater depth of learning.

First wise thing you've said.



I once attempted to list all of the books I have read....studied....and the list become so long I gave it up.

Just saying.


At the most succinct, America was founded on capitalism and religion, and Jefferson, Madison and Adams.

Government school teaches a heritage of communism an atheism...based on Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.

You might begin learning from here.
 

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There isn't a such thing as "government school" - the Founders themselves came from "government" schools by that definition, given that they were originally British citizens under a monarchy, I believe their schools were funded by the "state", not entirely privately funded (which is a false dictomy anyway - since private schools are eligible to receive public funding, and vice versa with government schools).

America was intended to be "free" in terms of its enumerated rights, not an anarchy or "direct democracy", which seems to be what you're advocating; citizens are still subordinate to the Common Law or state law (which affects them in day to day life moreso than the federal government does anyway) - in an anarchy, there would be no "rights" anyway nor any means of enforcing them, at least none in practice, even if in theory. So yes, representatives were mean to have some margin of "power" over the average person, at least within the limits and constraints of the law and morality - people who are corrupt being in positions of power is as old as human nature - it doesn't not prove a "deep state" conspiracy, or anything that at odds with human nature, no.

So no, most of what you imagine your rights to be are fictional, or faith-based sentiments, not in the Constitution, nor the law, nor common sense - or how the law actually works in practice, as opposed to ignorant theory.

If you want "freedom" of that variety, you'll have to go take it by force, and best of luck to you on that. You probably don't even know your states' law, or the domain of power it has over you in day-to-day life, but merely take it for granted.

"There isn't a such thing as "government school"

And yet you just proved you are a victim thereof.


Nope, and I'd venture that given how low the level of education is, that "school grads" who don't do any additional reading or learning on their own won't know much of anything one way or another.


You'd like to compare educational resumes?
No, but most of my learning is from reading on my own, not merely from "government school", and a high school education, whether "government" or private is not much of anything anyway compared to advanced learners.


So you don't wish to see which of us has the greater depth of learning.

First wise thing you've said.



I once attempted to list all of the books I have read....studied....and the list become so long I gave it up.

Just saying.


At the most succinct, America was founded on capitalism and religion, and Jefferson, Madison and Adams.

Government school teaches a heritage of communism an atheism...based on Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.

You might begin learning from here.
Non sequitur - I've never read any Rousseau, Hegel, and Marx's theory is simply abolition of private property.

It was founded on the principles in the Constitution, anyone can read it.

(Capitalism is economics, not government - if your an anarchist, then since America was a government, to begin with, you'd have to argue that it was always "communist" or "socialist" for not adhering to your anarchist ideals, which ironically have more in common with Rousseau than with the other people you're referring to - that's essentially what Rousseau was, an anarchist or Romantic).

I think Russel Kirk is a good author on the subject of government, he's what I read.
 
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Sooo....you're a government school grad, huh?


Let's try again....


“Rather than the people being governed by elected representatives, the three branches, “Woodrow Wilson gave the administrative state its rationale: he held that government by nonpartisan, public-spirited, Ivy League–trained experts making rules in such agencies as the Federal Trade Commission or the Interstate Commerce Commission would be infinitely wiser, more efficient, and more responsive to changing conditions and the evolving spirit of the age than the Framers’ government of limited and separated powers, a clockwork relic in the electricity age.

….ever since the New Deal supersized Wilson’s system, administrative agencies have multiplied like the Sorcerer’s Apprentice’s brooms, so that federal regulations now spill out of 240 volumes—and not only overregulated businessmen, infrastructure planners, and a few law professors, but also Supreme Court justices, have begun to wonder by what legitimate authority unelected bureaucrats can make rules like a legislature, carry them out like an executive, and adjudicate and punish infractions of them like a judiciary, usurping powers that the Constitution places solely in the Congress, the president, and the courts, with no two powers concentrated in the same hands.” The Court Moves Right
The Court Moves Right




2. Government school grads have been totally weaned away from the Founder’s view that free citizens elect….vote into office….those who rule them. Hence, the indoctrinated deny that they are the sheep being herded by unelected bureaucrats, diplomats, career government workers who are in charge….the Deep State.

And the Deep State….which clearly exists….is fighting to prove that the great unwashed must be chastised for electing a candidate not of their choosing…..giving us, first Russiagate, and now Ukrainegate.







Now...if you are serious about gaining the education that government school deprived you of....begin reading

"The Birth of the Administrative State: Where It Came From and What It Means for Limited Government"
The Birth of the Administrative State: Where It Came From and What It Means for Limited Government
There isn't a such thing as "government school" - the Founders themselves came from "government" schools by that definition, given that they were originally British citizens under a monarchy, I believe their schools were funded by the "state", not entirely privately funded (which is a false dictomy anyway - since private schools are eligible to receive public funding, and vice versa with government schools).

America was intended to be "free" in terms of its enumerated rights, not an anarchy or "direct democracy", which seems to be what you're advocating; citizens are still subordinate to the Common Law or state law (which affects them in day to day life moreso than the federal government does anyway) - in an anarchy, there would be no "rights" anyway nor any means of enforcing them, at least none in practice, even if in theory. So yes, representatives were mean to have some margin of "power" over the average person, at least within the limits and constraints of the law and morality - people who are corrupt being in positions of power is as old as human nature - it doesn't not prove a "deep state" conspiracy, or anything that at odds with human nature, no.

So no, most of what you imagine your rights to be are fictional, or faith-based sentiments, not in the Constitution, nor the law, nor common sense - or how the law actually works in practice, as opposed to ignorant theory.

If you want "freedom" of that variety, you'll have to go take it by force, and best of luck to you on that. You probably don't even know your states' law, or the domain of power it has over you in day-to-day life, but merely take it for granted.

"There isn't a such thing as "government school"

And yet you just proved you are a victim thereof.


Nope, and I'd venture that given how low the level of education is, that "school grads" who don't do any additional reading or learning on their own won't know much of anything one way or another.


You'd like to compare educational resumes?
Got yours from Trump U?

I see that even when someone is debating with you civilly you can't help but attack.....

how conservative of you.


I don't debate.....I simply explain why I am never wrong.

If your feelings are hurt...and you need a shoulder to cry on.....pull over to the side of the road.
 
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"There isn't a such thing as "government school"

And yet you just proved you are a victim thereof.


Nope, and I'd venture that given how low the level of education is, that "school grads" who don't do any additional reading or learning on their own won't know much of anything one way or another.


You'd like to compare educational resumes?
No, but most of my learning is from reading on my own, not merely from "government school", and a high school education, whether "government" or private is not much of anything anyway compared to advanced learners.


So you don't wish to see which of us has the greater depth of learning.

First wise thing you've said.



I once attempted to list all of the books I have read....studied....and the list become so long I gave it up.

Just saying.


At the most succinct, America was founded on capitalism and religion, and Jefferson, Madison and Adams.

Government school teaches a heritage of communism an atheism...based on Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.

You might begin learning from here.
Non sequitur - I've never read any Rousseau, Hegel, and Marx's theory is simply abolition of private property.

It was founded on the principles in the Constitution, anyone can read it.

(Capitalism is economics, not government - if your an anarchist, then since America was a government, to begin with, you'd have to argue that it was always "communist" or "socialist" for not adhering to your anarchist ideals, which ironically have more in common with Rousseau than with the other people you're referring to - that's essentially what Rousseau was, an anarchist or Romantic).

I think Russel Kirk is a good author on the subject of government, he's what I read.


"Non sequitur - I've never read any Rousseau, Hegel, and Marx's theory is simply abolition of private property."

You don't read that well: I didn't say you've read Hegel, Marx and Rousseau....I said that government schooling is based on these, rather than America's Founders.


I'd be happy to provide a beginning curriculum....just say the word.
 

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If Trump is innocent why does he prevent those with first-hand knowledge from testifying? Isn't that akin to pleading the 5th?
Innocent of what?

There is no crime, other than defeating the career criminal.
Innocent of the charges. I know they are hard to keep up with but so far it's:
  1. Obstruction of justice as outlined in the Mueller Report
  2. Bribery (quid pro quo) as revealed in the House committee witness testimony
  3. Obstruction of the investigation of the House committee
 

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The difference is that none of them were running against Trump so there was no 'personal' benefit. Mueller was investigating Trump for obstruction of justice and suddenly an investigation was terminated. Seems reasonable to assume this may have been another case of obstruction.
And Democrat or anti-Trumper is 'running against ' Trump.

It appears that honesty is beyond your ability.
Maybe I would feel more comfortable in the GOP?

To be clear, the Dems were responding to an actual event, the termination of the investigation. Trump, head of a multi-billion intelligence apparatus which reported no Ukrainian server hacks of US elections, demanded a PUBLIC statement by the Ukrainians, based on an internet rumor of a Ukrainian server hack, that would damage a political opponent.
 

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Nope, and I'd venture that given how low the level of education is, that "school grads" who don't do any additional reading or learning on their own won't know much of anything one way or another.


You'd like to compare educational resumes?
No, but most of my learning is from reading on my own, not merely from "government school", and a high school education, whether "government" or private is not much of anything anyway compared to advanced learners.


So you don't wish to see which of us has the greater depth of learning.

First wise thing you've said.



I once attempted to list all of the books I have read....studied....and the list become so long I gave it up.

Just saying.


At the most succinct, America was founded on capitalism and religion, and Jefferson, Madison and Adams.

Government school teaches a heritage of communism an atheism...based on Rousseau, Hegel and Marx.

You might begin learning from here.
Non sequitur - I've never read any Rousseau, Hegel, and Marx's theory is simply abolition of private property.

It was founded on the principles in the Constitution, anyone can read it.

(Capitalism is economics, not government - if your an anarchist, then since America was a government, to begin with, you'd have to argue that it was always "communist" or "socialist" for not adhering to your anarchist ideals, which ironically have more in common with Rousseau than with the other people you're referring to - that's essentially what Rousseau was, an anarchist or Romantic).

I think Russel Kirk is a good author on the subject of government, he's what I read.


"Non sequitur - I've never read any Rousseau, Hegel, and Marx's theory is simply abolition of private property."

You don't read that well: I didn't say you've read Hegel, Marx and Rousseau....I said that government schooling is based on these, rather than America's Founders.


I'd be happy to provide a beginning curriculum....just say the word.
Have you read any books by the Founders' themselves? I was planning on adding those to my reading list.
 
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If Trump is innocent why does he prevent those with first-hand knowledge from testifying? Isn't that akin to pleading the 5th?
Innocent of what?

There is no crime, other than defeating the career criminal.
Innocent of the charges. I know they are hard to keep up with but so far it's:
  1. Obstruction of justice as outlined in the Mueller Report
  2. Bribery (quid pro quo) as revealed in the House committee witness testimony
  3. Obstruction of the investigation of the House committee

"Obstruction of justice as outlined in the Mueller Report"

Another lie.
 
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The difference is that none of them were running against Trump so there was no 'personal' benefit. Mueller was investigating Trump for obstruction of justice and suddenly an investigation was terminated. Seems reasonable to assume this may have been another case of obstruction.
And Democrat or anti-Trumper is 'running against ' Trump.

It appears that honesty is beyond your ability.
Maybe I would feel more comfortable in the GOP?

To be clear, the Dems were responding to an actual event, the termination of the investigation. Trump, head of a multi-billion intelligence apparatus which reported no Ukrainian server hacks of US elections, demanded a PUBLIC statement by the Ukrainians, based on an internet rumor of a Ukrainian server hack, that would damage a political opponent.

"...the termination of the investigation."

Biden....not Trump.




The bribe at 02:15


Biden sidesteps questions about corruption;

 
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If Trump is innocent why does he prevent those with first-hand knowledge from testifying? Isn't that akin to pleading the 5th?
Innocent of what?

There is no crime, other than defeating the career criminal.
Innocent of the charges. I know they are hard to keep up with but so far it's:
  1. Obstruction of justice as outlined in the Mueller Report
  2. Bribery (quid pro quo) as revealed in the House committee witness testimony
  3. Obstruction of the investigation of the House committee

"Obstruction of justice as outlined in the Mueller Report"


Here is the only actual obstruction of justice in recent history:



This was the only obstruction of justice: Hussein Obama prevented....obstructed.....law enforcement from arresting Hezbollah agents selling cocaine in the USA.
Iran told Obama to allow Hezbollah to sell cocaine ....$1 billion worth.....in the US......so he prevented the government from arresting and charging them.....



"Project Cassandra is an effort led by the United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) to undercut Hezbollah funding from illicit drug sources.[1]Launched in 2008, the project was said to be investigating the terrorist organization's funding.[2] According to the DEA, Hezbollah has become increasingly involved with drug trafficking and organized crime as a method of funding its activities.[3][4] The investigation was tracking how large sums of money were being laundered from the Americas, through Africa, and to Lebanon into Hezbollah's coffers.[5]

An investigative report published by Politico in December 2017, described how, during the Obama administration, concerns regarding the Iran nuclear deal took precedence over the DEA project."
Project Cassandra - Wikipedia




"The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook

An ambitious U.S. task force targeting Hezbollah's billion-dollar criminal enterprise ran headlong into the White House's desire for a nuclear deal with Iran.


In its determination to secure a nuclear deal with Iran, the Obama administration derailed an ambitious law enforcement campaign targeting drug trafficking by the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah, even as it was funneling cocaine into the United States, according to a POLITICO investigation.

The campaign, dubbed Project Cassandra, ….”
The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook





There is no disputing the facts: Hussein Obama obstructed justice in the service of Iran and Hezbollah.


Hussein effectively gave them $1 billion dollars in drug money.



 

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If Trump is innocent why does he prevent those with first-hand knowledge from testifying? Isn't that akin to pleading the 5th?
Innocent of what?

There is no crime, other than defeating the career criminal.
Innocent of the charges. I know they are hard to keep up with but so far it's:
  1. Obstruction of justice as outlined in the Mueller Report
  2. Bribery (quid pro quo) as revealed in the House committee witness testimony
  3. Obstruction of the investigation of the House committee

"Obstruction of justice as outlined in the Mueller Report"


Here is the only actual obstruction of justice in recent history:



This was the only obstruction of justice: Hussein Obama prevented....obstructed.....law enforcement from arresting Hezbollah agents selling cocaine in the USA.
Iran told Obama to allow Hezbollah to sell cocaine ....$1 billion worth.....in the US......so he prevented the government from arresting and charging them.....



"Project Cassandra is an effort led by the United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) to undercut Hezbollah funding from illicit drug sources.[1]Launched in 2008, the project was said to be investigating the terrorist organization's funding.[2] According to the DEA, Hezbollah has become increasingly involved with drug trafficking and organized crime as a method of funding its activities.[3][4] The investigation was tracking how large sums of money were being laundered from the Americas, through Africa, and to Lebanon into Hezbollah's coffers.[5]

An investigative report published by Politico in December 2017, described how, during the Obama administration, concerns regarding the Iran nuclear deal took precedence over the DEA project."
Project Cassandra - Wikipedia




"The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook

An ambitious U.S. task force targeting Hezbollah's billion-dollar criminal enterprise ran headlong into the White House's desire for a nuclear deal with Iran.


In its determination to secure a nuclear deal with Iran, the Obama administration derailed an ambitious law enforcement campaign targeting drug trafficking by the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah, even as it was funneling cocaine into the United States, according to a POLITICO investigation.

The campaign, dubbed Project Cassandra, ….”
The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook





There is no disputing the facts: Hussein Obama obstructed justice in the service of Iran and Hezbollah.


Hussein effectively gave them $1 billion dollars in drug money.



As usual, you cherry-pick your facts and spin them to your liking. Dishonest as usual.
 

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The difference is that none of them were running against Trump so there was no 'personal' benefit. Mueller was investigating Trump for obstruction of justice and suddenly an investigation was terminated. Seems reasonable to assume this may have been another case of obstruction.
And Democrat or anti-Trumper is 'running against ' Trump.

It appears that honesty is beyond your ability.
Maybe I would feel more comfortable in the GOP?

To be clear, the Dems were responding to an actual event, the termination of the investigation. Trump, head of a multi-billion intelligence apparatus which reported no Ukrainian server hacks of US elections, demanded a PUBLIC statement by the Ukrainians, based on an internet rumor of a Ukrainian server hack, that would damage a political opponent.

"...the termination of the investigation."

Biden....not Trump.




The bribe at 02:15


Biden sidesteps questions about corruption;

More Russian disinformation or did you make this up on your own?
 
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If Trump is innocent why does he prevent those with first-hand knowledge from testifying? Isn't that akin to pleading the 5th?
Innocent of what?

There is no crime, other than defeating the career criminal.
Innocent of the charges. I know they are hard to keep up with but so far it's:
  1. Obstruction of justice as outlined in the Mueller Report
  2. Bribery (quid pro quo) as revealed in the House committee witness testimony
  3. Obstruction of the investigation of the House committee

"Obstruction of justice as outlined in the Mueller Report"


Here is the only actual obstruction of justice in recent history:



This was the only obstruction of justice: Hussein Obama prevented....obstructed.....law enforcement from arresting Hezbollah agents selling cocaine in the USA.
Iran told Obama to allow Hezbollah to sell cocaine ....$1 billion worth.....in the US......so he prevented the government from arresting and charging them.....



"Project Cassandra is an effort led by the United States Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) to undercut Hezbollah funding from illicit drug sources.[1]Launched in 2008, the project was said to be investigating the terrorist organization's funding.[2] According to the DEA, Hezbollah has become increasingly involved with drug trafficking and organized crime as a method of funding its activities.[3][4] The investigation was tracking how large sums of money were being laundered from the Americas, through Africa, and to Lebanon into Hezbollah's coffers.[5]

An investigative report published by Politico in December 2017, described how, during the Obama administration, concerns regarding the Iran nuclear deal took precedence over the DEA project."
Project Cassandra - Wikipedia




"The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook

An ambitious U.S. task force targeting Hezbollah's billion-dollar criminal enterprise ran headlong into the White House's desire for a nuclear deal with Iran.


In its determination to secure a nuclear deal with Iran, the Obama administration derailed an ambitious law enforcement campaign targeting drug trafficking by the Iranian-backed terrorist group Hezbollah, even as it was funneling cocaine into the United States, according to a POLITICO investigation.

The campaign, dubbed Project Cassandra, ….”
The secret backstory of how Obama let Hezbollah off the hook





There is no disputing the facts: Hussein Obama obstructed justice in the service of Iran and Hezbollah.


Hussein effectively gave them $1 billion dollars in drug money.



As usual, you cherry-pick your facts and spin them to your liking. Dishonest as usual.


What you mean is that I obliterated you again.


Brutal, huh?


Sorry you didn’t run with scissors when you had the chance?
 
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The difference is that none of them were running against Trump so there was no 'personal' benefit. Mueller was investigating Trump for obstruction of justice and suddenly an investigation was terminated. Seems reasonable to assume this may have been another case of obstruction.
And Democrat or anti-Trumper is 'running against ' Trump.

It appears that honesty is beyond your ability.
Maybe I would feel more comfortable in the GOP?

To be clear, the Dems were responding to an actual event, the termination of the investigation. Trump, head of a multi-billion intelligence apparatus which reported no Ukrainian server hacks of US elections, demanded a PUBLIC statement by the Ukrainians, based on an internet rumor of a Ukrainian server hack, that would damage a political opponent.

"...the termination of the investigation."

Biden....not Trump.




The bribe at 02:15


Biden sidesteps questions about corruption;

More Russian disinformation or did you make this up on your own?
It takes a certain sort of imbecile, the bottom of the barrel sort, to use that absurd 'Russia' reference.

It marks you as the sort who believed every one of the Democrat ploys....Russia, Stormy, obstruction, racist, Charlottesville, Quid Pro Quo, Ukraine, and hasn't learned as each and every one fails.

"fails' must be a term you're personally wedded to, huh?



There are the folks who know, and the folks who don’t know, but you belong to the third group: the ones who don’t know, and don’t know they don’t know.
Please, buy a ticket on the clue train…

But you’d make a damn fine organ donor…
 

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You don't read that well: I didn't say you've read Hegel, Marx and Rousseau....I said that government schooling is based on these, rather than America's Founders.
Oh, yeah, clearly, all Americans are taught that since elementary school, just like in the Soviet Union. And to be fair, they were probably just taught about Marx and Engels in elementary school in the Soviet Union.
 
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"Obstruction of justice as outlined in the Mueller Report"

Another lie.
May you should read the Report before you lie about it.

Watch how easily I prove you the liar.


You wrote: "Obstruction of justice as outlined in the Mueller Report"

Where's the quote stating such.

If you can't provide such a quote.....I demand you change your avi to 'Low-LifeLyingLiberal"......forthwith.
 
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You don't read that well: I didn't say you've read Hegel, Marx and Rousseau....I said that government schooling is based on these, rather than America's Founders.
Oh, yeah, clearly, all Americans are taught that since elementary school, just like in the Soviet Union. And to be fair, they were probably just taught about Marx and Engels in elementary school in the Soviet Union.


What are you trying to say?

Take your time...and focus like a laser.
 

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You don't read that well: I didn't say you've read Hegel, Marx and Rousseau....I said that government schooling is based on these, rather than America's Founders.
Oh, yeah, clearly, all Americans are taught that since elementary school, just like in the Soviet Union. And to be fair, they were probably just taught about Marx and Engels in elementary school in the Soviet Union.


What are you trying to say?

Take your time...and focus like a laser.
You're not very sharp, are you?
 
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You don't read that well: I didn't say you've read Hegel, Marx and Rousseau....I said that government schooling is based on these, rather than America's Founders.
Oh, yeah, clearly, all Americans are taught that since elementary school, just like in the Soviet Union. And to be fair, they were probably just taught about Marx and Engels in elementary school in the Soviet Union.


What are you trying to say?

Take your time...and focus like a laser.
You're not very sharp, are you?

Of course I am....the problem is that you aren't articulate in the least.


You're a government school grad, huh?
 

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