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The first book of Enoch has five sections. James H. Charlesworth outlines the book as follows:4

1. Book of the Watchers (1-36)
2. Book of the Similitudes (37-71)
3. Book of the Astronomical Writings (72-82)
4. Book of the Dream Visions (83-90)
5. Book of the Epistle of Enoch (91-107)

Chapters 1-5 provide a short introduction of Enoch and speak to the major themes of rewards, punishment, the end of the world and final judgment. Book 1 includes chapters 6-36 and is primarily about angels, the Tree of Life, Jerusalem, and the universe. Book 2 includes chapters 37-71 and deals with the One, the Son of God, or the Messiah, resurrection, the flood, Noah, future judgment, and paradise. Book 3 includes chapters 72-82 which deal with the stars, moon, astronomy, the universe, and Enoch’s mission. Book IV includes chapters 83-90 which concern predictions about the flood, a historical sketch, the future of Israel, and the messianic kingdom. Book V includes chapters 91-105 that deal with various challenges for the wicked and righteous. The concluding chapters of 106-108 discuss the sin after the flood until the coming of the Messiah.
The first book of Enoch has five sections. James H. Charlesworth outlines the book as follows:4

1. Book of the Watchers (1-36)
2. Book of the Similitudes (37-71)
3. Book of the Astronomical Writings (72-82)
4. Book of the Dream Visions (83-90)
5. Book of the Epistle of Enoch (91-107)

Chapters 1-5 provide a short introduction of Enoch and speak to the major themes of rewards, punishment, the end of the world and final judgment. Book 1 includes chapters 6-36 and is primarily about angels, the Tree of Life, Jerusalem, and the universe. Book 2 includes chapters 37-71 and deals with the One, the Son of God, or the Messiah, resurrection, the flood, Noah, future judgment, and paradise. Book 3 includes chapters 72-82 which deal with the stars, moon, astronomy, the universe, and Enoch’s mission. Book IV includes chapters 83-90 which concern predictions about the flood, a historical sketch, the future of Israel, and the messianic kingdom. Book V includes chapters 91-105 that deal with various challenges for the wicked and righteous. The concluding chapters of 106-108 discuss the sin after the flood until the coming of the Messiah.

Why aren't all the books included in the Bible that belong there? People scared their faith will be harder to accept if all the books are in there?
 
Why aren't all the books included in the Bible that belong there? People scared their faith will be harder to accept if all the books are in there?

Why do you believe all the books are not there?

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Why do you believe all the books are not there?

Quantrill
As was mentioned in the video, there are versions of both Isaiah and Enoch that come from sources thousands of years old, and both texts have not been altered in any way.

The early church actually used the book of Enoch at one point, and Jude references the book of Enoch, which was canonized in the Bible gi9ving it legitimacy.

The Nephilim them were referenced, not just in the book of Enoch, but in the Bible as well and seem to be the target for extermination via the Great Flood, although they are called "Giants" in the Bible. Interestingly enough, other cultures also refer to those same Giant myths, just like other cultures and ancient civilizations also have their own flood story and garden of Eden story.

Archeology has found some crazy stuff going down in prehistoric earth that all of a sudden stopped, and then nothing, which is evidence for a cataclysmic event that ended it all, like a great flood.



 
As was mentioned in the video, there are versions of both Isaiah and Enoch that come from sources thousands of years old, and both texts have not been altered in any way.

The early church actually used the book of Enoch at one point, and Jude references the book of Enoch, which was canonized in the Bible gi9ving it legitimacy.

The Nephilim them were referenced, not just in the book of Enoch, but in the Bible as well and seem to be the target for extermination via the Great Flood, although they are called "Giants" in the Bible. Interestingly enough, other cultures also refer to those same Giant myths, just like other cultures and ancient civilizations also have their own flood story and garden of Eden story.

Archeology has found some crazy stuff going down in prehistoric earth that all of a sudden stopped, and then nothing, which is evidence for a cataclysmic event that ended it all, like a great flood.

Well, the book of Isaiah is in the Bible. And, the reference to Enoch probably originated in the book of Jude and was then used in the apocryphal book of Enoch. But, even if it wasn't, though Jude may have quoted it, that doesn't make the book of Enoch inspired and authoritative.

Using and reading the apocryphal books doesn't make them inspired or authoritative.

The subject matter of the books doesn't make them inspired or authoritative.

Yes archeology has discovered some fantastic evidence for the flood and the early earth. But that doesn't mean if a book includes those in it's pages, that it is inspired and authoritative.

The canonization process involved many considerations. But the Old Testament canon was complete before the Church began. And the questionable apocryphal books are located in the Old Testament. And the Jews of Palestine are who canonized the Old Testament, not the Church. And they rejected all of the apocryphal writings.

Important to note, a book is not inspired and authoritative because any group or council of man says so. It is inspired and authoritative because it comes from God. It is His Word. Because it is His Word, His people naturally gravitate and respond to it. His Words radiate in them and they desire to hear and read them. And the books that make up the Bible were going to find their way there no matter what. Because they are inspired, nothing would stop them.

That's why, though there was much disagreement on some of the New Testament books as to whether or not they should be in the Canon of Scripture, they were included. They were received by the people of God as the Word of God and those are the ones they wanted to hear and read.

Point being: the book of Enoch doesn't change anything about how the Bible is to be interpreted.

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Why aren't all the books included in the Bible that belong there? People scared their faith will be harder to accept if all the books are in there?

Did you read the link you included? Because it answers your question.

Conclusion:​

You asked the question, “Why isn’t this wonderful book included in the Bible?” The answer is that Jesus and the apostles never called it Scripture. It is important to note that a few early church fathers highly valued the book of Enoch, but they never referred to it as Scripture. Therefore, we cannot view it as authoritative since it is not the Word of God.

Now I have a question for you. Why do you pretend to be agnostic when you are clearly a militant atheist?
 

Giants, Aliens Oh my.


Why aren't all the books included in the Bible that belong there? People scared their faith will be harder to accept if all the books are in there?

How do you think it changes the way the OT and NT should be interpreted.
 

Giants, Aliens Oh my.


Why aren't all the books included in the Bible that belong there? People scared their faith will be harder to accept if all the books are in there?


The Book of Enoch has a prediction in it that it would be lost for many centuries and then made public again as the Era of Moshiach or the Millennium gets closer.


Near death experiencers do report being shown some things about angels and aliens that do fit with The Bookof Enoch.

Extraterrestrial Beings and Earth’s History​

Another startling aspect of Tolman’s revelations is his mention of extraterrestrial beings, whom he refers to as our “space ancestors.” He suggests that these beings have been part of Earth’s history for millions of years before humans, presenting a narrative where these entities are not aliens in the traditional sense but part of Earth’s ancient lineage. This revelation points towards a future where humanity might collaborate with these beings to achieve a higher state of collective consciousness.

The Role of Authenticity and Love​

Central to Tolman’s vision for the future is the principle of authenticity and unconditional love. He learned that Earth is essentially a school where lessons in love, empathy, and personal growth are paramount. As we move forward, these lessons will become more critical, with the future shaped by how well we integrate these principles into our societal structures, personal lives, and interactions with each other and the universe.

Impact and Interpretation​

Tolman’s account has inspired many, offering hope and a sense of purpose. Tolman’s revelations are a call to action for personal and collective transformation. His visions align with other NDE accounts and spiritual teachings that emphasize love, unity, and the interconnectedness of all life.

Future Conclusions​

Vincent Tolman’s NDE revelations of the future present a narrative where humanity is at a pivotal point, capable of evolving towards a more enlightened state. Whether viewed through a spiritual, psychological, or metaphysical lens, his insights encourage a reevaluation of how we live, urging a shift towards authenticity, love, and a broader cosmic perspective. Tolman’s story adds to the rich tapestry of human exploration into the mysteries of life, death, and what might come after, or before, our time on Earth.

Vincent Tolman’s NDE has become a cornerstone narrative for those intrigued by the spiritual and existential implications of what might lie beyond death. Tolman’s journey into the afterlife resulted in profound insights, among which are ten principles meant to guide life on Earth. These principles, as detailed in his book “The Light After Death: My Journey to Heaven and Back,” offer a framework for living a more fulfilled, authentic, and compassionate life. Here, we explore these principles and their implications for personal and collective human experience.

 
For me, Enoch is a literary work that is dated by Archeologists as being written during the pre-Christian era, yet it sounds like it belongs in the 4 gospels as it continuously talks about the coming Messiah. It is simply amazing.

Enoch 48 "All the thristy ones dring and become filled with wisdom. Then their dwelling places become with the holy, righteous and elect ones. At that hour, that Son of Man was given a name, in the presence of the Lord of the Spriritis, the Before-Time, even before the creation of the sun and the moon, before the creation of the stars, he was given a name in the presence of the Lord of the Spirits. He will become a staff for the righteous ones in order that they may lean on him and not fall. He is the light of the gentiles and he will become the hope of those who are sick in their hearts. All those who dwell uon the earth will fall and worship before him, they will glorify and bless, and sing the neam of the Lord of the Spiritis. For this purpose he became the Chosen One, he was concealed in the presence of the Lord prior to the creation of the world, and for eternity. And he has revealed the wisdom of the Lord to the righteous and the holy ones, for he has preserved the portion of the righteous because they have hated and despised this world of oppression, and its habits, and because they will be saved in his name and it is his good plearure thath they have life. In those days, the kings of the earth and the mighty will be humiliated, on account of the deeds of their hands. Therefore, on that day of their misery, they will not be able to save themselves. I shall deliver them into the hands of the elect ones like grass in the fire and like lead in the water, and no place will be found for them..........for they have denied the Lord of the Spirits and his Messiah."

How could it not be inspired by God?
 
For me, Enoch is a literary work that is dated by Archeologists as being written during the pre-Christian era, yet it sounds like it belongs in the 4 gospels as it continuously talks about the coming Messiah. It is simply amazing.

Enoch 48 "All the thristy ones dring and become filled with wisdom. Then their dwelling places become with the holy, righteous and elect ones. At that hour, that Son of Man was given a name, in the presence of the Lord of the Spriritis, the Before-Time, even before the creation of the sun and the moon, before the creation of the stars, he was given a name in the presence of the Lord of the Spirits. He will become a staff for the righteous ones in order that they may lean on him and not fall. He is the light of the gentiles and he will become the hope of those who are sick in their hearts. All those who dwell uon the earth will fall and worship before him, they will glorify and bless, and sing the neam of the Lord of the Spiritis. For this purpose he became the Chosen One, he was concealed in the presence of the Lord prior to the creation of the world, and for eternity. And he has revealed the wisdom of the Lord to the righteous and the holy ones, for he has preserved the portion of the righteous because they have hated and despised this world of oppression, and its habits, and because they will be saved in his name and it is his good plearure thath they have life. In those days, the kings of the earth and the mighty will be humiliated, on account of the deeds of their hands. Therefore, on that day of their misery, they will not be able to save themselves. I shall deliver them into the hands of the elect ones like grass in the fire and like lead in the water, and no place will be found for them..........for they have denied the Lord of the Spirits and his Messiah."
Thank you immensely for this exceptional comment to this topic. I had noticed so many similar things in the Book of Enoch that I was wondering if the versions of it that we have now could have been written by a Messianic Jewish scholar in the first or second centuries?
 
For me, Enoch is a literary work that is dated by Archeologists as being written during the pre-Christian era, yet it sounds like it belongs in the 4 gospels as it continuously talks about the coming Messiah. It is simply amazing.

Enoch 48 "All the thristy ones dring and become filled with wisdom. Then their dwelling places become with the holy, righteous and elect ones. At that hour, that Son of Man was given a name, in the presence of the Lord of the Spriritis, the Before-Time, even before the creation of the sun and the moon, before the creation of the stars, he was given a name in the presence of the Lord of the Spirits. He will become a staff for the righteous ones in order that they may lean on him and not fall. He is the light of the gentiles and he will become the hope of those who are sick in their hearts. All those who dwell uon the earth will fall and worship before him, they will glorify and bless, and sing the neam of the Lord of the Spiritis. For this purpose he became the Chosen One, he was concealed in the presence of the Lord prior to the creation of the world, and for eternity. And he has revealed the wisdom of the Lord to the righteous and the holy ones, for he has preserved the portion of the righteous because they have hated and despised this world of oppression, and its habits, and because they will be saved in his name and it is his good plearure thath they have life. In those days, the kings of the earth and the mighty will be humiliated, on account of the deeds of their hands. Therefore, on that day of their misery, they will not be able to save themselves. I shall deliver them into the hands of the elect ones like grass in the fire and like lead in the water, and no place will be found for them..........for they have denied the Lord of the Spirits and his Messiah."

How could it not be inspired by God?

See post #(4), which you refused to answer.

Which shows you only accept your bullshit. You say 'for me'. Which means you disregard any other. Typical atheist/agnostic bullshit.

If you disagree, then answer post #(4). Atheists are such cowards.

Quantrill
 
See post #(4), which you refused to answer.

Which shows you only accept your bullshit. You say 'for me'. Which means you disregard any other. Typical atheist/agnostic bullshit.

If you disagree, then answer post #(4). Atheists are such cowards.

Quantrill
I am not sure how a book that constantly refers to Jesus the Messiah to not be God inspired, but Ok.

Whatever.

I don't think you grasp how the book of Enoch gives the NT credibility, as it is a pre-Christian work that points to Messiah and sounds an awful lot like the gospels when it does.
 
I am not sure how a book that constantly refers to Jesus the Messiah to not be God inspired, but Ok.

Whatever.

I don't think you grasp how the book of Enoch gives the NT credibility, as it is a pre-Christian work that points to Messiah and sounds an awful lot like the gospels when it does.


I don't think you understood post #(4). Read again. There are plenty of false Christ's and false gospel's. The book of Enoch is just one. Which is why it is not in the Bible.

(2 Cor. 11:4) "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."

(2 cor. 11:13-15) "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel: for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

You fail miserably in understanding the 'inspiration of God' in the writing of Scripture. It is quite a study. Please take the time to study it...if you want to. If not, the book of Enoch is for you, as well as many others.

Quantrill
 
I don't think you understood post #(4). Read again. There are plenty of false Christ's and false gospel's. The book of Enoch is just one. Which is why it is not in the Bible.

(2 Cor. 11:4) "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."

(2 cor. 11:13-15) "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel: for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

You fail miserably in understanding the 'inspiration of God' in the writing of Scripture. It is quite a study. Please take the time to study it...if you want to. If not, the book of Enoch is for you, as well as many others.

Quantrill
ho is the judge of what is false and true?
 
ho is the judge of what is false and true?

Why do you keep asking the same question? Again, I explained already in post #(4).

The Bible is the only inspired writings of God and is the only true record pertaining to Jesus Christ.

If you want to believe other spurious writings, go right ahead. You can create your own bible if you like. Let me know how that goes.

Quantrill
 
I don't think you understood post #(4). Read again. There are plenty of false Christ's and false gospel's. The book of Enoch is just one. Which is why it is not in the Bible.

(2 Cor. 11:4) "For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him."

(2 cor. 11:13-15) "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel: for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works."

You fail miserably in understanding the 'inspiration of God' in the writing of Scripture. It is quite a study. Please take the time to study it...if you want to. If not, the book of Enoch is for you, as well as many others.

Quantrill
You have yet to explain how the Messiah in Enoch is the false Jesus.

For me, they are one in the same.

If I say that Jesus is Lord, for example, that is God inspired.

As for Enoch not saying the name of Jesus, that is because when it was written Jesus had not come into the world yet.
 
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You have yet to explain how the Messiah in Enoch is the false Jesus.

For me, they are one in the same.

If I say that Jesus is Lord, for example, that is God inspired.

As for Enoch not saying the name of Jesus, that is because when it was written Jesus had not come into the world yet.

No, I have explained it. The book of Enoch is not inspired by God. It cannot be trusted. See again post #(4).

Yes, but you don't know what you're talking about.

No. You don't believe, thus your words are not inspired. You can tell the truth about something in the Bible, but your words are empty. Of no value.

I don't care if Enoch mentions Jesus or not. It is not inspired by God.

Quantrill
 
Why do you keep asking the same question? Again, I explained already in post #(4).

The Bible is the only inspired writings of God and is the only true record pertaining to Jesus Christ.

If you want to believe other spurious writings, go right ahead. You can create your own bible if you like. Let me know how that goes.

Quantrill
According to whom?
 

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