The Boeing Machinists Reject Company's Latest Offer of 35% Pay Increase Over 4 Years While Still Refusing To Return Their Pensions

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The news story indicates that the machinist currently earn around $75,000/year. For those living in and near Seattle that doesn't even come close to keeping up with how much things cost here, where the median Seattle home value averages over $800,000.

 
The news story indicates that the machinist currently earn around $75,000/year. For those living in and near Seattle that doesn't even come close to keeping up with how much things cost here, where the median Seattle home value averages over $800,000.

I should think even a basic machinist in my area ought to make at least $85,000 a year now. Probably more. No idea what an advanced machinist working for Boeing ought to make, but they better be damned good if they are making aircraft.
 
The news story indicates that the machinist currently earn around $75,000/year. For those living in and near Seattle that doesn't even come close to keeping up with how much things cost here, where the median Seattle home value averages over $800,000.


National average for Machinist is $60K IIRC.
 
I was offered $45/hr about 15 years ago to be a supervisor of a machining cell in Gresham. Pretty sure scale is around $45 for a journey level machinist at the Lazy B today. I can find out.

The offer was pretty generous, I'm kind of surprised they didn't take it. 35% pay hike, 100% 401K match, $5K one-time 401K payment, $7K back to work bonus.
 
The news story indicates that the machinist currently earn around $75,000/year. For those living in and near Seattle that doesn't even come close to keeping up with how much things cost here, where the median Seattle home value averages over $800,000.



The fight really is one they are bound to lose as long as they demand a return to defined-benefit pension plans. The one Boeing already has is $6B in the red. They aren't going to resurrect those just because machinist don't want to have to contribute anything toward their retirements. Pension plans are functionally extinct.
 
I should think even a basic machinist in my area ought to make at least $85,000 a year now. Probably more. No idea what an advanced machinist working for Boeing ought to make, but they better be damned good if they are making aircraft.
Aside from them taking away their pensions and some of them working without a raise in a decade, many of them are really upset because the C-Suite executes are paid tens of millions of dollars even when the company suffers what they call major failures under their guidance, such as the two 737 Maxes that crashed and well as the door plug blowout:



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Yeah that's what a senior machinist in Arizona earns but the COL is way less than Seattle. Maybe Boeing needs to move to Arizona.
Well they already moved production of some of the aircraft to South Carolina and if I recall correctly they were offered a ton of money in tax incentives to either stay or move back:

Boeing has been the beneficiary of significant tax incentives from the state of Washington, which were offered primarily to encourage the company to maintain its operations in the state or, in some cases, return certain operations after considering relocations. These incentives were designed to retain Boeing's extensive manufacturing presence, including its commercial airplane production, particularly given the competition from other states and countries offering their own incentives.​

Major Tax Incentives:​

  1. 2003 Aerospace Tax Incentives:In 2003, Washington state provided a major package of tax incentives to Boeing, valued at around $3.2 billion, to encourage the company to build its 787 Dreamliner assembly plant in Everett. The package included:
    • Business and Occupation (B&O) tax reductions for aerospace manufacturers.
    • Sales and use tax exemptions for certain aerospace equipment and investments.
    • Tax credits for aerospace-related investments and job creation.
  2. 2013 Extension for 777X Production:In 2013, Washington passed another large package of tax breaks, extending the previous aerospace tax incentives through 2040 to persuade Boeing to build its 777X aircraft and composite wing facility in the state. This extension added up to an estimated $8.7 billion, making it the largest corporate tax break in U.S. history at the time. Key elements included:
    • An extension of the B&O tax reduction.
    • Property tax exemptions on buildings and equipment related to the 777X project.
    • Sales tax exemptions for materials used in manufacturing and equipment installation.
    • Boeing ultimately chose to assemble the 777X and its carbon-fiber wing in Washington, which was seen as a win for the state in retaining a crucial part of its aerospace industry.
  3. Criticism and WTO Involvement:These tax breaks sparked international scrutiny, leading to a complaint by the European Union at the World Trade Organization (WTO). The WTO ruled that some of the tax incentives violated global trade rules, specifically targeting subsidies that were contingent on Boeing producing the 777X in Washington.
  4. 2020 Adjustments:In 2020, Washington state lawmakers moved to repeal certain parts of the aerospace tax incentives to comply with WTO rulings. This decision aimed to avoid retaliatory tariffs on U.S. goods, primarily in response to ongoing disputes over subsidies between Boeing and its European rival Airbus. However, even with the repeal, Boeing continues to benefit from other state-level tax breaks.

Boeing's Movements and Operations:​

Despite the extensive tax breaks offered to Boeing by Washington state, the company has still relocated or shifted certain operations:​
  • Corporate Headquarters: Boeing moved its corporate headquarters from Seattle to Chicago in 2001, and more recently to Arlington, Virginia, in 2022.
  • South Carolina Operations: Boeing has expanded its presence in South Carolina, building a second 787 Dreamliner assembly line there in 2009, a move that created concerns about Boeing gradually moving production out of Washington. Despite this, much of the company's wide-body aircraft production remains in Washington.

Ongoing Discussions:​

Washington’s tax incentives were crucial in Boeing’s decisions to keep major production lines, such as the 777X, in the state, but there have been ongoing concerns about the future of Boeing's operations in the region. Labor disputes, the changing global aerospace market, and Boeing's growing presence in other states and countries keep the issue alive.​
While Boeing still has a strong presence in Washington, the future of aerospace manufacturing in the state will likely continue to depend on a mix of competitive tax policies, workforce considerations, and broader corporate strategy.​
 
I was offered $45/hr about 15 years ago to be a supervisor of a machining cell in Gresham. Pretty sure scale is around $45 for a journey level machinist at the Lazy B today. I can find out.

The offer was pretty generous, I'm kind of surprised they didn't take it. 35% pay hike, 100% 401K match, $5K one-time 401K payment, $7K back to work bonus.
It does sound very generous especially the 100% 401K match that I'm sure most workers would be happy to have, but I get the impression that the pension was 100% funded by Boeing while with the 401(k) Boeing simply matches the employee contribution which is still really good.
 
I was offered $45/hr about 15 years ago to be a supervisor of a machining cell in Gresham. Pretty sure scale is around $45 for a journey level machinist at the Lazy B today. I can find out.

The offer was pretty generous, I'm kind of surprised they didn't take it. 35% hike, 100% 401K match, $5K one-time 401K payment, $7K back to work bonus.pay
Machinist union, but production factory work. These people will never recoup their losses and Boeing will never agree to a defined pension plan. These battles were fought in the 80s and the result will be the same in Seattle.
 
It does sound very generous especially the 100% 401K match that I'm sure most workers would be happy to have, but I get the impression that the pension was 100% funded by Boeing while with the 401(k) Boeing simply matches the employee contribution which is still really good.
Yes, the old pensions were company funded but they haven't had those for decades. Resurrecting that one is a non-starter for the company. The 100% 401K match is very generous, it is currently 75%.

The building of one 787 line in Charleston was part of a larger agreement with the union that included one new 787 line in Everett and two new 737 lines in Renton.
 
because the C-Suite executes are paid tens of millions of dollars even when the company suffers what they call major failures under their guidance, such as the two 737 Maxes that crashed and well as the door plug blowout:
Which is totally irrelevant to the value of the work that these people are providing.
 
Machinist union, but production factory work. These people will never recoup their losses and Boeing will never agree to a defined pension plan. These battles were fought in the 80s and the result will be the same in Seattle.
The people on strike is my old local. 751.

Lol. That was back in the 80's. We called it "the sacred brotherhood of fucked-over machinists". The union bosses were in bed with the management. They negotiated a contract where we could be put on mandatory 68-hour workweeks- 5 10's and 2 8's.

I did a year of that shit and quit and went to a non-union shop...
 
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Which is totally irrelevant to the value of the work that these people are providing.
If you're not careful you can get stuck making the same part for years. It'll drive you mad.

They don't produce well-rounded machinists. I hired one during the strike back in in 2008, he couldn't even power tap a hole on a bridgeport. It was frustrating.
 
The news story indicates that the machinist currently earn around $75,000/year. For those living in and near Seattle that doesn't even come close to keeping up with how much things cost here
The Boeing Plant is in Everett.
25 Miles North of Seattle.
 
Aside from them taking away their pensions and some of them working without a raise in a decade,
The pensions are a big thing to lose but not getting a raise for years is pretty common in a lot of companies. But it sucks. When you apply for a job, they have you sign stuff that gives you literally no rights but they will not sign anything assigning rights to you, and if you don't take it, they show you the door and move onto the next applicant.

many of them are really upset because the C-Suite executes are paid tens of millions of dollars even when the company suffers
Yeah, again, pretty common among CEOs that they are treated that way. CEOs are paid far too much and the actual workers not enough. I worked for a company that had profit sharing and they tried to take that away, too. While CEOs are looked upon as a diamond in the rough, workers are looked upon as grunts who are a dime a dozen and easily replaced. You don't even get a vacation usually until you are there 2 years then it is only two weeks. In Europe I think they give you 4-6 weeks vacation after 1 year.
 
The news story indicates that the machinist currently earn around $75,000/year. For those living in and near Seattle that doesn't even come close to keeping up with how much things cost here, where the median Seattle home value averages over $800,000.


Under Trump the cost of a home was much much less
 
I was offered $45/hr about 15 years ago to be a supervisor of a machining cell in Gresham. Pretty sure scale is around $45 for a journey level machinist at the Lazy B today. I can find out.

The offer was pretty generous, I'm kind of surprised they didn't take it. 35% pay hike, 100% 401K match, $5K one-time 401K payment, $7K back to work bonus.
They didn’t get their pensions back. Which is a very important thing in these days. Especially with our rough economy.

Ford motor company has similar issues. At Ford they’re paying workers scraps compared to what they were paying say 20 years ago. Used to have “equal pay for equal work” after 90 days on the job you got the same pay as some guy with 20 years experience. They don’t have that now. They don’t have pensions anymore for the new hires at ford.

The biggest problem is the feminization of the American population. Back in the day they would fight for better wages. Now they just take it up the ass and pretty much are told to shut their mouth and be happy with lower wages and less or no benefits.
 
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