Thanksgiving
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no... i don't agree to that at all..... The American holiday IS an offshoot of harvest festivals.... a pagan holiday.
i said.... were did i say the indians were having a pagan as in paganism...holiday? They only person who suggests that is you KG.
as to the puritians.... they hated everything.... EVERYTHING..... but were so damn thankful for their first bountiful harvest thanks to the indians un grateful louts that they were...... they decided to have a celebration.
harvest festivals/celebrations... are universal to every culture.... not religion. The pagans all over europe celebrated harvest..... so the pilgrans got it from them.
koshergrl
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Fiddlesticks.
Our Thanksgiving festival is very distinctly attributed to the first "thanksgiving" which was a harvest celebration held with Indians.
So how you can jump from that to saying it's an offshoot of a PAGAN holiday, I don't know.
And every harvest festival/celebration is very definitely associated with religion. There were no non-denominational "harvest festivals" until the anti-Christian loons determined that there is no religious connotation to be associated with them.
Our Thanksgiving festival is very distinctly attributed to the first "thanksgiving" which was a harvest celebration held with Indians.
So how you can jump from that to saying it's an offshoot of a PAGAN holiday, I don't know.
And every harvest festival/celebration is very definitely associated with religion. There were no non-denominational "harvest festivals" until the anti-Christian loons determined that there is no religious connotation to be associated with them.
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Our Thanksgiving holiday season is the development of several traditions, religious and secular, not just one. Each American group will celebrate it in their own way. Our Native Americans will probably celebrate it by hanging effigies of the Pilgrims, setting them on fire, then eating the Pilgrims' food, which is what they should have done in the first place.
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It's one of the few paid holidays American workers get, and if we have to profess to some God to get it, well then that's fine . . .
so STFU
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Thanks for allowing me that "freedom," koshergirl . . .
koshergrl
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And because you love Rush:
The Real Story of Thanksgiving:
"The original contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to go into a common store, and each member of the community was entitled to one common share." It was a commune. It was socialism. "All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well," not to the individuals who built them.
"Bradford, who had become the new governor of the colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had taken so many lives. He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to each family to work and manage." They could do with it whatever they wanted. He essentially turned loose the free market on 'em. "Long before Karl Marx was even born, the Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be described as socialism." And they found that it didn't work. "
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"What Bradford wrote about this social experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson. 'The experience that we had in this common course and condition,' Bradford wrote. 'The experience that we had in this common course and condition tried sundry years... that by taking away property, and bringing community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing -- as if they were wiser than God. ... For this community [so far as it was] was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense.'"
What he was saying was, they found that people could not expect to do their best work without any incentive. So what did they try next? Free enterprise. "Every family was assigned its own plot of land to work and permitted to market its own crops and products. And what was the result? 'This had very good success,' wrote Bradford, 'for it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been.'"
They had miraculous results. In no time they found they had more food than they could eat themselves. So they set up trading posts. They exchanged goods with the Indians. The profits allowed them to pay off the people that sponsored their trip in London. The success and the prosperity of the Plymouth settlement attracted more Europeans, began what became known as the great Puritan migration.
And they shared their bounty with the Indians. Actually, they sold some of it to 'em. The true story of Thanksgiving is how socialism failed. With all the great expectations and high hopes, it failed. And self-reliance, rugged individualism, free enterprise, whatever you call it, resulted in prosperity that they never dreamed of."
The true story of Thanksgiving.
You're welcome.
The Real Story of Thanksgiving - The Rush Limbaugh Show
The Real Story of Thanksgiving:
"The original contract the Pilgrims had entered into with their merchant-sponsors in London called for everything they produced to go into a common store, and each member of the community was entitled to one common share." It was a commune. It was socialism. "All of the land they cleared and the houses they built belonged to the community as well," not to the individuals who built them.
"Bradford, who had become the new governor of the colony, recognized that this form of collectivism was as costly and destructive to the Pilgrims as that first harsh winter, which had taken so many lives. He decided to take bold action. Bradford assigned a plot of land to each family to work and manage." They could do with it whatever they wanted. He essentially turned loose the free market on 'em. "Long before Karl Marx was even born, the Pilgrims had discovered and experimented with what could only be described as socialism." And they found that it didn't work. "
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"What Bradford wrote about this social experiment should be in every schoolchild's history lesson. 'The experience that we had in this common course and condition,' Bradford wrote. 'The experience that we had in this common course and condition tried sundry years... that by taking away property, and bringing community into a common wealth, would make them happy and flourishing -- as if they were wiser than God. ... For this community [so far as it was] was found to breed much confusion and discontent, and retard much employment that would have been to their benefit and comfort. For young men that were most able and fit for labor and service did repine that they should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any recompense.'"
What he was saying was, they found that people could not expect to do their best work without any incentive. So what did they try next? Free enterprise. "Every family was assigned its own plot of land to work and permitted to market its own crops and products. And what was the result? 'This had very good success,' wrote Bradford, 'for it made all hands industrious, so as much more corn was planted than otherwise would have been.'"
They had miraculous results. In no time they found they had more food than they could eat themselves. So they set up trading posts. They exchanged goods with the Indians. The profits allowed them to pay off the people that sponsored their trip in London. The success and the prosperity of the Plymouth settlement attracted more Europeans, began what became known as the great Puritan migration.
And they shared their bounty with the Indians. Actually, they sold some of it to 'em. The true story of Thanksgiving is how socialism failed. With all the great expectations and high hopes, it failed. And self-reliance, rugged individualism, free enterprise, whatever you call it, resulted in prosperity that they never dreamed of."
The true story of Thanksgiving.
You're welcome.
The Real Story of Thanksgiving - The Rush Limbaugh Show
bigrebnc1775
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No But George Washington and the U.S. Congress sure and the hell did.
bigrebnc1775
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No it didn't it was specifically picked to give thanks to God.
Just ask George Washing and the U.S. Congress
bigrebnc1775
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Are you still arguing about thi, even after I showed you George Washington proclamation at the request of the U.S. Congress to have a date too give thanks to God.
bigrebnc1775
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I haven't been avoiding you, because it's irrelevant what you posted Law has nothing to do with the founders picking a day to give thanks to God
