Tennessee sludge spill estimate grows to 1 billion gallons

[Gunny]

(CNN) -- Estimates for the amount of thick sludge that gushed from a Tennessee coal plant this week have tripled to more than a billion gallons, as cleanup crews try to remove the goop from homes and railroads and halt its oozing into an adjacent river.

The sludge, a byproduct of the ash from coal combustion, was contained at a retention site at the Tennessee Valley Authority's power plant in Kingston, about 40 miles east of Knoxville. The retention wall breached early Monday, sending the sludge downhill and damaging 15 homes. All the residents were evacuated, and three homes were deemed uninhabitable, according to the TVA.

Tennessee sludge spill estimate grows to 1 billion gallons - CNN.com

 

[Old Rocks]

And the news groups are still quoting what the people that caused the problem are stating. They are still insisting that the waters that this spill has polluted are still safe for drinking. They really need independent people that are not connected to the TVA or anybody there to do the tests on whether the water is safe.

 

[Chris]

Ah, the beauty of clean coal.

 

[Gunny]

Ah, the beauty of clean coal.

The problem with shortsighted people like YOU is you want to throw the baby out with bathwater and bet your money on experiemntal crap that doesn't even work yet.

Clue: we have to remain functional while exploring new ways to do things. We currently need BOTH fossil fuels and people exploring alternative energy sources for something viable.

The common sense in that approach appears beyond your intellectual capability.

These idiots need to be forced to clean up their messes and foot the bills, andthe latter needs to come out of their profits not our pockets.

 

[Chris]

The problem with shortsighted people like YOU is you want to throw the baby out with bathwater and bet your money on experiemntal crap that doesn't even work yet.

Clue: we have to remain functional while exploring new ways to do things. We currently need BOTH fossil fuels and people exploring alternative energy sources for something viable.

The common sense in that approach appears beyond your intellectual capability.

These idiots need to be forced to clean up their messes and foot the bills, andthe latter needs to come out of their profits not our pockets.

A person with good common sense would not assume what my position is.

I was merely pointing out the irony of the term "clean coal" with respect to this situation.

I have said repeatedly that our dependence on foreign oil is our most serious security problem. Way more serious a problem than 50 guys in a cave in Pakistan. So don't get your panties in a bunch.

 

[Gunny]

A person with good common sense would not assume what my position is.

I was merely pointing out the irony of the term "clean coal" with respect to this situation.

I have said repeatedly that our dependence on foreign oil is our most serious security problem. Way more serious a problem than 50 guys in a cave in Pakistan. So don't get your panties in a bunch.

A person with good common sense wouldn't read your posts and know what your position is, but it is my responsibility to do so.

Amazing that someone like you who is usually sweating some nonexistent, far, FAR leftwing stupidity could accuse anyone of getting their panties in a bunch.

Don't flatter yourself. Really.

 

[editec]

Speaking as somebody who was once involved in forcing corporations to clean up their messes, there is, sadly often no way to get the guilty corporations to do that since they are often bankrupt before the effect of their dumping happens (or at least gets noticed).

Happily, the TVA is still extant, but there is not way that ultimately the consumers won't end up footing the bill.

After all, the consumers enjoyed not footing the bill, when the TVA was foolishly (and cheaply) not dealing with their toxic ash.

So now, no matter how you do the accounting, sooner of later the cost of the clean up ends up in people's electicity bills.

And if you think about it, that's where it really belongs, too.

 

[PeterS]

The problem with shortsighted people like YOU is you want to throw the baby out with bathwater and bet your money on experiemntal crap that doesn't even work yet.

Jesus Gunny. You wouldn't see irony if it buried you up to your beady little eyeballs would you. You really should chill. This was just a simple statement illustrating the irony of energy's clean coal position. Stop reading what isn't there. Have a chuckle and move on...

 

[PeterS]

Amazing that someone like you who is usually sweating some nonexistent, far, FAR leftwing stupidity could accuse anyone of getting their panties in a bunch.

Germany generates between 20 and 30 percent of their energy by solar and have only been active in solar for about 10 years. The technology is there Gunny only we abandoned it the 80's in favor of cheaper energy sources such as 'clean' coal. But cheap energy isn't so cheap when we have to clean it up is it. I really do appreciate you posting this story because it illustrates perfectly the shortsightedness of our energy outlook, an outlook championed by the right, and how we pass on that cost to future generations.

 

[editec]

We're going to need coal generated electicity for a while, yet. folks.

Even if we threw ourselves into Manhatten Project mode to find clean sustainable energy, we'd need coal.

Damned shame, too, because coal is killing our water and adding to the CO2 problems, but there it is.

 

[BaronVonBigmeat]

Germany generates between 20 and 30 percent of their energy by solar and have only been active in solar for about 10 years. The technology is there Gunny only we abandoned it the 80's in favor of cheaper energy sources such as 'clean' coal. But cheap energy isn't so cheap when we have to clean it up is it. I really do appreciate you posting this story because it illustrates perfectly the shortsightedness of our energy outlook, an outlook championed by the right, and how we pass on that cost to future generations.

Germany generates 0% of their electricity from solar at night, so they buy electricity from French nuclear reactors. "The technology already exists"--yes if you're talking about generation, no if you're talking about mass storage, which is absolutely required.

 

[Old Rocks]

Germany generates 0% of their electricity from solar at night, so they buy electricity from French nuclear reactors. "The technology already exists"--yes if you're talking about generation, no if you're talking about mass storage, which is absolutely required.

Wrong.

Solar Tres Power Tower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[del]

Wrong.

[uwikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_Tres_Power_Tower]Solar Tres Power Tower - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/url][/rl=http://en.

no, you would be wrong. from your link.........

This article or section contains information about a proposed, planned or under construction power station.
It may contain information of a speculative nature and the content may change as the construction and/or completion of the power station approaches, and more information becomes available

sounds nonexistent to me. not built yet.

 

[Old Rocks]

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Informative Fact Sheets about Solar Thermal Energy


Solar: Solar Thermal: Making Electricity From The Sun's Heat

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Solar thermal electric systems operating in the US today [Solar Parabolic Troughs] meet the needs of over 350,000 people (equal to the population of the city of Fresno, CA or Miami, FL) and displace the equivalent of 2.3 million barrels of oil annually.


Solar thermal power plants create two and one-half times as many skilled, high paying jobs as do conventional power plants that use fossil fuels.


A CEC (California Energy Commission) study shows that even with existing tax credits, a solar thermal electric plant pays about 1.7 times more in federal, state, and local taxes than an equivalent natural gas combined cycle plant. If the plants paid the same level of taxes, their cost of electricity would be roughly the same.


Solar Two, a "power tower" electricity generating plant in California, is a 10-megawatt prototype for large-scale commercial power plants. It stores the sun's energy in molten salt at 1050 degrees F, which allows the plant to generate power day and night, rain or shine. Construction was completed in March 1996, and it is now in its three year operating and testing phase. (source: Southern California Edison)

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