Ted Cruz Introduces Bills to Stop Gay Marriage

[Stephanie]

lol, MELTDOWN by the lefties...

oh how dare you challenge them....

Says the person who feels "BEAT DOWN" when her views are questioned in a civil manner

I'm sure that Sefunny feels just like a passenger on the Hindenburg.

Your nasty stuff doesn't bother me. You would think you would know that by now. but you want to look a little petulant child. have at it

 

[peach174]

Where does the 14th amendment say same sex marriage is an equal right?
It says deprive any person of life, liberty or property.
You are free to be gay in this country but it says nothing about marriage.

You are obsessing about an institution that has over a 60% failure rate. That abysmal longevity stat has little if nothing to do with homosexuals. It would serve you that think it is the "foundation" of our society to work a little harder on the actual causes of it's horrible record of success.

many believe that sanctioning gay marriage would harm society, you don't believe it would. There is a difference of opinion-----------so lets put it to a vote in every state and let the will of the people prevail.

I will accept the will of the people, will you?

How would it harm society? I see a lot of people who's sensibilities it would harm but 0 evidence for societal harm

Immoral and Sexual deviancy has brought down many society's all though out history.
These two things always leads to;
Three important trends that demonstrate social decay. They are "the crisis of lawlessness," the "loss of economic discipline," and "rising bureaucracy."
The more that we continue in manners and social life that fall into debauchery, we will continue with these three trends that leads to the fall of any society.

The tried and true definition of insanity: "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. - Albert Einstein" used to serve us pretty well but your post might be useful also.

Yes that describes the far left of this country very well.

 

[Syriusly]

I don't know if I can dumb this down enough but I'll try...

Alabama allows Bobby Joe to marry his 15 year old 1st Cousin Bobbi Jo. California does not.

California allows consenting adult Steve to marry non familial consenting adult Adam. Alabama does not.

Which marriage is valid in all 50 states despite both being issued by a state authority?

omg, go to a state that allows you get frikken hitched. so tiring of hearing about how you all are such poor victims . over marrying someone..my gawd

So you still don't understand equal application of the law?

Apparently I can't dumb it down enough.

How 'bout we get rid of the stupid law and we'll have equal NON application and sidestep all this nonsense?

I agree- lets get rid of the stupid law and then we'll have equal non-application- of course I am speaking of the law banning gay marriage.

 

[Syriusly]

It would not surprise me to find out that Ted Cruz is a closet gay.

Some Leftwats haven't gotten the memo that "opposing homosexuality means you're secretly gay" doesn't actually work.

A typical GOP moron. As usual you don't get it. Whether Ted is gay or not is irrelevant. Spearheading legislation that is obviously born from bigotry makes him totally unelectable to national office. His views and actions based on those views will just be an embarrassment for Texas citizens. Texas already has PR problems. Ted is just adding to them.

Bigotry? His legislation wouldn't end gay marriage, just allow states to form their own marriage laws. That's not bigotry, that's choice, something you people claim to believe in, and that's freedom.

It is about states denying choice

It is endorsing restrictions on freedom because they are done at the state level


.

States deny choices all the time. You can ride a motorcycle sans helmet here in Idaho, but if you drive into Oregon, you better put one on. Every power not delegated to the federal government by the Constitution is reserved to the states. That would include marriage. Cruz is doing nothing more than submitting legislation that would reinforce the natural limitations of federal power.

Don't act stupid.

Cruz is playing to his Conservative base- he knows there is not a snowballs chance in hell of passing this amendment- he is doing this simply to try to scoop up the votes of bigots.

 

[Syriusly]

Well as we see folks what their sleazy dirty politics is going to be for this election

Homosexual homosexual homosexual. because you know that's all that is on the majority of the peoples mind in this country...the hell with the economy, jobs, immigration, etc

People should be pissed at Bloomberg for this misleading and dishonest TITLE with that article. But that's how the left propaganda media flies in this country...

And here is Cruz focusing on homosexuality rather than the economy or jobs or immigration.

And you are pissed at Bloomberg.

 

[Syriusly]

Well, where were we now?

-Geaux
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10 Reasons Why Homosexual “Marriage” is Harmful and Must be Opposed
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10 made up reasons, made up by bigots.

10 reasons why bigots like yourself don't think a same gender couple should be treated equally with my wife and I.

10 reasons why you are against equality.

 

[Syriusly]

Ted Cruz Introduces Bills to Stop Gay Marriage
Bloomberg | 4/23/2015 | Heidi Prszbyla


Bloomberg Title and Link Only
Ted Cruz Introduces Bills to Stop Gay Marriage - Bloomberg Politics
Sub-Heading-- "The Texas senator wants to establish a constitutional amendment that protects states that define marriage as being between a man and a woman from legal action. "

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Cruz Is going to fight the gays!

its called having principles and being willing to stand up for them. Something not a single dem can or will do.

Bigotry is a "principle" ....smooth!

Sorry, dude. But the bigotry here is yours. You are bigoted against anyone who does not share your far left ideas of how our society should operate. YOU ARE THE BIGOT.

That sums up all the people from the left/libs/dem party. Also if you don't bow down to them they'll call you all kinds of names. because they are so high and mighty they feel it's THEIR RIGHT. all I see them as is intolerant bullies, which you see in this thread

LOL.....have you looked at the posts by Conservatives here at USMB?

Quite a few of them can't complete a post without calling people names.

Here is the thing- USMB lets you post here as you wish- but that doesn't mean your posts get to be criticism free.

You equate criticism with bullying. When it happens to you.

 

[Syriusly]

Ted Cruz Introduces Bills to Stop Gay Marriage
Bloomberg | 4/23/2015 | Heidi Prszbyla


Bloomberg Title and Link Only
Ted Cruz Introduces Bills to Stop Gay Marriage - Bloomberg Politics
Sub-Heading-- "The Texas senator wants to establish a constitutional amendment that protects states that define marriage as being between a man and a woman from legal action. "

---
Cruz Is going to fight the gays!

its called having principles and being willing to stand up for them. Something not a single dem can or will do.

Bigotry is a "principle" ....smooth!

Sorry, dude. But the bigotry here is yours. You are bigoted against anyone who does not share your far left ideas of how our society should operate. YOU ARE THE BIGOT.

I am HARDLY "far left". You can add MORON to BIGOT..that is if you can add.

and we can add you're just a nasty rude person. period. which would put you in the FAR left whether you like it or not

And here you are talking the high moral ground.......no calling people names by Stephanie....lol.

 

[Syriusly]

Well, where were we now?

-Geaux
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10 Reasons Why Homosexual “Marriage” is Harmful and Must be Opposed

1. It Is Not Marriage

Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.

The promoters of same-sex “marriage” propose something entirely different. They propose the union between two men or two women. This denies the self-evident biological, physiological, and psychological differences between men and women which find their complementarity in marriage. It also denies the specific primary purpose of marriage: the perpetuation of the human race and the raising of children.

Two entirely different things cannot be considered the same thing.

2. It Violates Natural Law

Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law.

Natural law’s most elementary precept is that “good is to be done and pursued, and evil is to be avoided.” By his natural reason, man can perceive what is morally good or bad for him. Thus, he can know the end or purpose of each of his acts and how it is morally wrong to transform the means that help him accomplish an act into the act’s purpose.

Any situation which institutionalizes the circumvention of the purpose of the sexual act violates natural law and the objective norm of morality.

Being rooted in human nature, natural law is universal and immutable. It applies to the entire human race, equally. It commands and forbids consistently, everywhere and always. Saint Paul taught in the Epistle to the Romans that the natural law is inscribed on the heart of every man. (Rom. 2:14-15)

3. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother

It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.

The unfortunate situation of these children will be the norm for all children of a same-sex “marriage.” A child of a same-sex “marriage” will always be deprived of either his natural mother or father. He will necessarily be raised by one party who has no blood relationship with him. He will always be deprived of either a mother or a father role model.

Same-sex “marriage” ignores a child’s best interests.

4. It Validates and Promotes the Homosexual Lifestyle

In the name of the “family,” same-sex “marriage” serves to validate not only such unions but the whole homosexual lifestyle in all its bisexual and transgender variants.

Civil laws are structuring principles of man's life in society. As such, they play a very important and sometimes decisive role in influencing patterns of thought and behavior. They externally shape the life of society, but also profoundly modify everyone’s perception and evaluation of forms of behavior.

Legal recognition of same-sex “marriage” would necessarily obscure certain basic moral values, devalue traditional marriage, and weaken public morality.

5. It Turns a Moral Wrong into a Civil Right

Homosexual activists argue that same-sex “marriage” is a civil rights issue similar to the struggle for racial equality in the 1960s.

This is false.

First of all, sexual behavior and race are essentially different realities. A man and a woman wanting to marry may be different in their characteristics: one may be black, the other white; one rich, the other poor; or one tall, the other short. None of these differences are insurmountable obstacles to marriage. The two individuals are still man and woman, and thus the requirements of nature are respected.

Same-sex “marriage” opposes nature. Two individuals of the same sex, regardless of their race, wealth, stature, erudition or fame, will never be able to marry because of an insurmountable biological impossibility.

Secondly, inherited and unchangeable racial traits cannot be compared with non-genetic and changeable behavior. There is simply no analogy between the interracial marriage of a man and a woman and the “marriage” between two individuals of the same sex.

10 Reasons Why Homosexual Marriage is Harmful and Must be Opposed

"It offends God" isn't exactly a very compelling legal argument.

our system of laws is based on judeo/Christian principles, so yes, it is a very compelling legal argument

What is the success rate of that argument in the courts concerning gay marriage? Yeah, not so good.

Why do we allow fat people to marry? Gluttony offends God.

Why do we allow liars to marry? Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord.

Why do we allow those that dishonor their mother and father to marry? They offend God.

Like I said, it is not a compelling legal argument.

nice try, but those things do not compare with homosexuality. Whether its a valid legal argument is yet to be seen. I think the gay mafia will win this round, and the country and society as a whole will lose. .

And how will the country lose if gay couples are allowed to have the exact same access to marriage as my wife and I enjoy?

How will you be harmed?

 

[Syriusly]

Well, where were we now?

-Geaux
-------------------------------

10 Reasons Why Homosexual “Marriage” is Harmful and Must be Opposed

1. It Is Not Marriage

Calling something marriage does not make it marriage. Marriage has always been a covenant between a man and a woman which is by its nature ordered toward the procreation and education of children and the unity and wellbeing of the spouses.

The promoters of same-sex “marriage” propose something entirely different. They propose the union between two men or two women. This denies the self-evident biological, physiological, and psychological differences between men and women which find their complementarity in marriage. It also denies the specific primary purpose of marriage: the perpetuation of the human race and the raising of children.

Two entirely different things cannot be considered the same thing.

2. It Violates Natural Law

Marriage is not just any relationship between human beings. It is a relationship rooted in human nature and thus governed by natural law.

Natural law’s most elementary precept is that “good is to be done and pursued, and evil is to be avoided.” By his natural reason, man can perceive what is morally good or bad for him. Thus, he can know the end or purpose of each of his acts and how it is morally wrong to transform the means that help him accomplish an act into the act’s purpose.

Any situation which institutionalizes the circumvention of the purpose of the sexual act violates natural law and the objective norm of morality.

Being rooted in human nature, natural law is universal and immutable. It applies to the entire human race, equally. It commands and forbids consistently, everywhere and always. Saint Paul taught in the Epistle to the Romans that the natural law is inscribed on the heart of every man. (Rom. 2:14-15)

3. It Always Denies a Child Either a Father or a Mother

It is in the child’s best interests that he be raised under the influence of his natural father and mother. This rule is confirmed by the evident difficulties faced by the many children who are orphans or are raised by a single parent, a relative, or a foster parent.

The unfortunate situation of these children will be the norm for all children of a same-sex “marriage.” A child of a same-sex “marriage” will always be deprived of either his natural mother or father. He will necessarily be raised by one party who has no blood relationship with him. He will always be deprived of either a mother or a father role model.

Same-sex “marriage” ignores a child’s best interests.

4. It Validates and Promotes the Homosexual Lifestyle

In the name of the “family,” same-sex “marriage” serves to validate not only such unions but the whole homosexual lifestyle in all its bisexual and transgender variants.

Civil laws are structuring principles of man's life in society. As such, they play a very important and sometimes decisive role in influencing patterns of thought and behavior. They externally shape the life of society, but also profoundly modify everyone’s perception and evaluation of forms of behavior.

Legal recognition of same-sex “marriage” would necessarily obscure certain basic moral values, devalue traditional marriage, and weaken public morality.

5. It Turns a Moral Wrong into a Civil Right

Homosexual activists argue that same-sex “marriage” is a civil rights issue similar to the struggle for racial equality in the 1960s.

This is false.

First of all, sexual behavior and race are essentially different realities. A man and a woman wanting to marry may be different in their characteristics: one may be black, the other white; one rich, the other poor; or one tall, the other short. None of these differences are insurmountable obstacles to marriage. The two individuals are still man and woman, and thus the requirements of nature are respected.

Same-sex “marriage” opposes nature. Two individuals of the same sex, regardless of their race, wealth, stature, erudition or fame, will never be able to marry because of an insurmountable biological impossibility.

Secondly, inherited and unchangeable racial traits cannot be compared with non-genetic and changeable behavior. There is simply no analogy between the interracial marriage of a man and a woman and the “marriage” between two individuals of the same sex.

10 Reasons Why Homosexual Marriage is Harmful and Must be Opposed

"It offends God" isn't exactly a very compelling legal argument.

our system of laws is based on judeo/Christian principles, so yes, it is a very compelling legal argument

No- actually our laws are based on Greek/Latin principles.

Adultery is not against the law. Wearing men's clothing is not against the law. Working on the Sabbath is not against the law.

Nor do we stone adulterers to death.

Anyway- I do hope that those arguing FOR gay marriage bans do argue on the basis that its what the Bible says- that will seal the deal on any legal argument against gay marriage.

 

[peach174]

Ted Cruz Introduces Bills to Stop Gay Marriage
Bloomberg | 4/23/2015 | Heidi Prszbyla


Bloomberg Title and Link Only
Ted Cruz Introduces Bills to Stop Gay Marriage - Bloomberg Politics
Sub-Heading-- "The Texas senator wants to establish a constitutional amendment that protects states that define marriage as being between a man and a woman from legal action. "

---
Cruz Is going to fight the gays!

its called having principles and being willing to stand up for them. Something not a single dem can or will do.

Bigotry is a "principle" ....smooth!

Sorry, dude. But the bigotry here is yours. You are bigoted against anyone who does not share your far left ideas of how our society should operate. YOU ARE THE BIGOT.

That sums up all the people from the left/libs/dem party. Also if you don't bow down to them they'll call you all kinds of names. because they are so high and mighty they feel it's THEIR RIGHT. all I see them as is intolerant bullies, which you see in this thread

It's gone way beyond name calling and bulling.
They are now getting people fired from their jobs, ruining their reputations and in some instances getting them killed (the 2 cops that was murdered in N.Y.).
Like with Dr. Oz - he has opposing medical view points and the left in the medical business are tying to get his license revoked.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Well as we see folks what their sleazy dirty politics is going to be for this election

Homosexual homosexual homosexual. because you know that's all that is on the majority of the peoples mind in this country...the hell with the economy, jobs, immigration, etc

People should be pissed at Bloomberg for this misleading and dishonest TITLE with that article. But that's how the left propaganda media flies in this country...

And here is Cruz focusing on homosexuality rather than the economy or jobs or immigration.

And you are pissed at Bloomberg.

He's trying to fend off Huckabee by out-phobing him.

 

[Syriusly]

Golly, another thoughtful and cogent opinion from the anti gay crowd. I'm shocked they haven't won more court cases.

Where does the 14th amendment say same sex marriage is an equal right?
It says deprive any person of life, liberty or property.
You are free to be gay in this country but it says nothing about marriage.

You are obsessing about an institution that has over a 60% failure rate. That abysmal longevity stat has little if nothing to do with homosexuals. It would serve you that think it is the "foundation" of our society to work a little harder on the actual causes of it's horrible record of success.

many believe that sanctioning gay marriage would harm society, you don't believe it would. There is a difference of opinion-----------so lets put it to a vote in every state and let the will of the people prevail.

I will accept the will of the people, will you?

How would it harm society? I see a lot of people who's sensibilities it would harm but 0 evidence for societal harm

Immoral and Sexual deviancy has brought down many society's all though out history.

Which ones? I keep hearing people make those claims yet when we look at the 'fall' of societies- I can't think of any that did.

The Ottoman Empire? Nope- that was losing World War 1 and rise of secular forces.
The Aztec Empire? Nope- that was caused by the Spanish and the collusion of the Aztec's conquered neighbors.
The Incan Empire? Nope- see above.

The reality is that the United States is the most powerful country in the world- and we have what ancient Jews would consider an immoral society.

The societies that are the least tolerant of 'immoral and sexual deviancy'? Well that would be the repressed of Muslim societies- Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Which do you choose as the most 'moral path'? The United States or Saudi Arabia?

 

[Syriusly]

Ted Cruz Introduces Bills to Stop Gay Marriage
Bloomberg | 4/23/2015 | Heidi Prszbyla


Bloomberg Title and Link Only
Ted Cruz Introduces Bills to Stop Gay Marriage - Bloomberg Politics
Sub-Heading-- "The Texas senator wants to establish a constitutional amendment that protects states that define marriage as being between a man and a woman from legal action. "

---
Cruz Is going to fight the gays!

its called having principles and being willing to stand up for them. Something not a single dem can or will do.

Bigotry is a "principle" ....smooth!

Sorry, dude. But the bigotry here is yours. You are bigoted against anyone who does not share your far left ideas of how our society should operate. YOU ARE THE BIGOT.

That sums up all the people from the left/libs/dem party. Also if you don't bow down to them they'll call you all kinds of names. because they are so high and mighty they feel it's THEIR RIGHT. all I see them as is intolerant bullies, which you see in this thread

It's gone way beyond name calling and bulling.
They are now getting people fired from their jobs, ruining their reputations and in some instances getting them killed (the 2 cops that was murdered in N.Y.).
Like with Dr. Oz - he has opposing medical view points and the left in the medical business are tying to get his license revoked.

Wow.....first of all- there is a long history of Conservatives getting liberals and gays fired from their jobs or ruining their reputation for being liberal or gay. Not so much anymore- but that doesn't prevent Conservatives from trying- Conservatives have tried to get Ellen Degeneres fired from her job because she is gay.

And Dr. Oz?

The people trying to get Dr. Oz fired are doctors who object to him peddling quack cures. I don't watch Dr. Oz- I don't care much, but I can see why those who are doctors would care.

 

[Seawytch]

Slavery violated the Constitution, defining marriage does not. Try to pay attention.

It actually did not violate the Constitution. Thus the 13th Amendment. But enough people thought it was wrong that it became the law.

And the 14th protects same sex marriage as an equal right.

Bullshit.

Golly, another thoughtful and cogent opinion from the anti gay crowd. I'm shocked they haven't won more court cases.

Where does the 14th amendment say same sex marriage is an equal right?
It says deprive any person of life, liberty or property.
You are free to be gay in this country but it says nothing about marriage.

You're right...it doesn't...and yet that was what the SCOTUS chose to rule on in Loving v Virginia when they declared marriage a fundamental right. Maybe it was the "equal protection" part?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Where does the 14th amendment say same sex marriage is an equal right?
It says deprive any person of life, liberty or property.
You are free to be gay in this country but it says nothing about marriage.

You are obsessing about an institution that has over a 60% failure rate. That abysmal longevity stat has little if nothing to do with homosexuals. It would serve you that think it is the "foundation" of our society to work a little harder on the actual causes of it's horrible record of success.

many believe that sanctioning gay marriage would harm society, you don't believe it would. There is a difference of opinion-----------so lets put it to a vote in every state and let the will of the people prevail.

I will accept the will of the people, will you?

How would it harm society? I see a lot of people who's sensibilities it would harm but 0 evidence for societal harm

Immoral and Sexual deviancy has brought down many society's all though out history.

Which ones? I keep hearing people make those claims yet when we look at the 'fall' of societies- I can't think of any that did.

The Ottoman Empire? Nope- that was losing World War 1 and rise of secular forces.
The Aztec Empire? Nope- that was caused by the Spanish and the collusion of the Aztec's conquered neighbors.
The Incan Empire? Nope- see above.

The reality is that the United States is the most powerful country in the world- and we have what ancient Jews would consider an immoral society.

The societies that are the least tolerant of 'immoral and sexual deviancy'? Well that would be the repressed of Muslim societies- Iran and Saudi Arabia.

Which do you choose as the most 'moral path'? The United States or Saudi Arabia?

The Roman empire comes to mind. Two things though.

1. They spread themselves too thin trying to rule too much territory.

2. We don't have group sex in public baths

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

PEACH174 SAID:

"Where does the 14th amendment say same sex marriage is an equal right? It says deprive any person of life, liberty or property.
You are free to be gay in this country but it says nothing about marriage."

Wrong - “life, liberty or property” are found in the 5th Amendment, not the 14th.

The 14th Amendment applies the right to due process of the law to the states, both procedural and substantive; it also requires the states to allow all persons residing in the states access to the laws of each state, in this case same-sex couples access to marriage law, where to seek to deny same-sex couples access to marriage law violates the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the 14th Amendment.

Interestingly, Cruz's 'amendment' is an acknowledgment of this fact, he understands that 14th Amendment jurisprudence prohibits the states from denying same-sex couples access to marriage law; to render that jurisprudence void of the force of law, he seeks to 'amend' the Constitution to codify discrimination against gay Americans.

 

[Redfish]

Bullshit.

Golly, another thoughtful and cogent opinion from the anti gay crowd. I'm shocked they haven't won more court cases.

Where does the 14th amendment say same sex marriage is an equal right?
It says deprive any person of life, liberty or property.
You are free to be gay in this country but it says nothing about marriage.

You are obsessing about an institution that has over a 60% failure rate. That abysmal longevity stat has little if nothing to do with homosexuals. It would serve you that think it is the "foundation" of our society to work a little harder on the actual causes of it's horrible record of success.

many believe that sanctioning gay marriage would harm society, you don't believe it would. There is a difference of opinion-----------so lets put it to a vote in every state and let the will of the people prevail.

I will accept the will of the people, will you?

How would it harm society? I see a lot of people who's sensibilities it would harm but 0 evidence for societal harm

in the opinion of many human beings, homosexuality is not a normal human condition, treating a sickness as normal would harm society.

you may think otherwise and thats ok, but the majority opinion should prevail, unless we live in a dictatorship.

 

[Redfish]

Bullshit.

Golly, another thoughtful and cogent opinion from the anti gay crowd. I'm shocked they haven't won more court cases.

Where does the 14th amendment say same sex marriage is an equal right?
It says deprive any person of life, liberty or property.
You are free to be gay in this country but it says nothing about marriage.

You are obsessing about an institution that has over a 60% failure rate. That abysmal longevity stat has little if nothing to do with homosexuals. It would serve you that think it is the "foundation" of our society to work a little harder on the actual causes of it's horrible record of success.

many believe that sanctioning gay marriage would harm society, you don't believe it would. There is a difference of opinion-----------so lets put it to a vote in every state and let the will of the people prevail.

I will accept the will of the people, will you?

I'm more an "equal protection under the law" kindof a guy. There are some issues that the nation must agree on as a whole. I like having a valid drivers license anywhere I drive even if it is across a state line. When I was married it was a good thing my marriage license was valid also. I will attest though that the failure to remain married had nothing to do with the queers being married or not.

do you think being "queer" is a normal human condition? yes or no

 

[Redfish]

It wouldn't end gay marriage in America like the loony Left will bleat about, it would simply allow states to decide the issue for themselves. Not all would ban gay marriage and the butt pirates can all move to the states that allow it.

That's a great idea, because America shouldn't be a TOTALLY free country for gays. That would be unAmerican.

It would make WAY more sense to just have certain states that feel that gay Americans have rights, and still have certain states that don't. That way, if there are too many religious folk in the country that feel the government isn't kissing their asses quite right, there are states for them to move to where they will get the kissing of a lifetime, for a lifetime.

Now THAT'S an American plan.


Might I suggest:

It may be poor and smell funny, but I swear, religious folk, this is where you want to go.

"Proud to be an American! Where at least I know if I'm white and believe what my pastor tells me I'm free!"

Ain't that America?

are you advocating for secession? because that may actually be the only alternative. let the libs have their socialist utopia and the normal people have the rest, then see which system works.